Is Russia really that bad?

Is Russia really that bad?

Would I live like a king on an average american engineers salary?

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how big is the salary? but i think you would whatever you say

how big is the salary?

>Is Russia really that bad?
yes
>Would I live like a king on an average american engineers salary?
if it's more than $10k/year then yes

>if it's more than 10k/year
haha enjoy your omsk shitty life

No.

Everything is more expensive than in US. You would be king among the poor but your living standard would be lower than in US.

80k/year

would i do well?

depend where (moscou is expensive) but with more than 1000$ per month, you can live like a king. But why you want live there ?

>$433 per month

hmmm..

Only if you can work remotely.

Russia is like America if all the white people were from West Virginia and all the minorities were Muslim.

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>moscou is expensive

All the big cities are. With $1000/month you could live like a king only in a village.

Rouble might have gone down, but keep in mind that Russia has thing for offering eastern quality for western prices to feed all the middle men between consumer and producer.

if i give a russian 1500 rubles, would that mean alot?

because 1500 rubles is pissing money for me

1500roubles is far from a lot
even 15000 isn't

Let us not bully miserable poor poor Russia.

It's like someone on the street would give you 20$

well there are places where 15000 is a normal salary

>1500

Personally to me even 15 rubles is a lot of money.

> if it's more than $10k/year
I paid much more for rent alone when were living on my own.

> 1000$ per month, you can live like a king
No you can't. Russian wages are shit but prices for everything are fucking high.

This.
I used to live in a small settlement where most of people had to work for the minimum wage.

No, Russia isn't that bad. No country is as bad "as they say", even north korea

Visit Ekateringurg or Kazan or Vladivostok or Sochi as a tourist, better yet visit them all

visiting right now ischeap, because of weak ruble. if you like it, come back again to live

I mean, if Moscow or even SPb is too expensive

I spent 10000 rubles on groceries yesterday. Haven't even bought anything fancy apart from some sturgeon. And no alcohol.
1500 rubles can buy you some beer idk.

No, 1500 is 3 meals in Mc'Donalds.

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why dont you ruskie bros move?

tradesmen here get 1500 (67500 rub) a week (after 4 years experience) just from moving bricks

that's a meme bro

price for consimer electronics is hight because weak ruble and long disances, and select diary products i think can be cheaper in countries like the US that produce lots of that stuff

nothing else "expensive" comes to mind

>Visit Ekateringurg or Kazan or Vladivostok as a tourist
>Ekateringurg

Stop fucking forcing this miserable, crime-, drug- and AIDS-ridden uralian shithole here. No one in his right mind would like to visit it.

maybe not in moscou or big cities but in average cities you live pretty well with 1000$.
but i have to say i don't know how you guys are living with such shit salary, at ytour place i'll tried to move out TbH

If you are not extremely well qualified specialist it is pretty much impossible to move legally.

well you need to live somewhere and eat something for four years
on australian prices

and it's jst faraway places, it's not like we here ITT live that bad, I think. I wouldn't move to a faraway country, though I might downshift for a few months to a small country like Czechia or Thailand

> live pretty well with 1000$.
You can buy basic cheap food and clothes from walmart/second hand. But no even gadgets for you let alone buying own flat or car unless you starve.
> with such shit salary
The catch is not to have shit salary.

Why don't you guys emigrate to Poland or something?
Even a Polish plumber would earn as much money as a Russian surgeon.

>minimum wage

How could those people move anywhere if they live in a literal village situated in the middle of nowhere and work for 10-12k rubles/month which is barely enough to not to die from hunger?

what sort of "gadget" can't you buy with 60000 rub monthly salary? stop talking out of your ass

I were in hospital and all doctors drive there porshes, mercedes, audi, etc. Guess why.

>nothing else "expensive" comes to mind

Cars, for example.

Poles. Even they run from the place. Who would choose fucking Poland except Muscowite IT fag downshifing?

Anything apart from some chink phone.

Jap cars are on average lke 1,5 cheaper than in the US, about twice cheaper compared to Europe

anything else?

> Muscowite IT fag downshifing?
Why would he do that IT wages in Moscow are better than in Poland and you can work in companies with own projects instead of some outsource shit slavery.

>How do you live with lower wages.
Let's assume you have 25000 roubles per month wage aka 400$.
You spend 10$ per month for internet, if you don't visit cafés, fast food and only cook simple food with buying chocolate and stuff from time to time you will spend like 10000 roubles aka 180$ for food. Something like 5000 roubles aka 65$ for transportation. So rest 145$ you spend on clothes, new phones (they collect for a year or something). I didn't include rent because people with such wages either live with parents or have their own apartnents of their dead grandma or simply live with someone else sharing 20000-30000 roubles rent with them.

Hey westerners ITT, do you buy "gadgets" like this MacBook Pro () from "spending"money" out of your paychek and pay cash?
because that's what some faggots here think you do

If you need credit to buy fucking laptop or iphone it's poverty-tier.

Yeah "downshifing" means lower salaries, of course those places are nowhere near Moscow

Well I know of a few companies that downshift to poor places like Poland or Czech republic altogether with all their staff because offices are cheaper.

the youtuber philko live with about 1000$ hemakes on youtube. he live in novisibirsk and has never work. Did you see his appartement ? he says that everything is cheap there, the food clothes, rent, electricity, gaz etc

Again you should fucking move out, where i leave here, tons of chechens are coming and they are all on welfare, they get 500€ doing nothing and it's even more when you'r married and have kids. Imagine if your are working.

i never once had to borrow money from the bank,

i just save up

People from regions with low wages simply can not move. Polish law won't allow them. For educated people from capitals moving to Poland would mean lowering their wage or increasing it by 10-20% at max but for that they would have to learn a useless language and it would be no harder to move directly to Germany ot Canada.

>If you need credit to buy fucking laptop or iphone it's poverty-tier.

Please Americans of Sup Forums, when was the last time you've baught something worth over $500 dollars with cash?
We really need to educate a Russian libtard here

>Novosibirsk
ofcourse everything is cheap but life is miserable

>in average cities you live pretty well with 1000$

You can't live well in small russian towns, no matter how much money you earn, because there is no life there, only endless suffering.
I'd rather make $1000/month living in Moscow, Petersburg, Ebk or Novosib than in some total shithole like Pskov, Bratsk or Syktyvkar with $10000/month.

Pro-tip if you have decent wage you don't live from wage to wage and spend everything. So you have savings and can buy thing.
Americans buy even potato with credits cards and you know it. But it's just cultural thing. They don't buy with credit card something they can't afford(repay with paycheck) except car, house and shit like that.

>Go to airport, buy ticket to France (if you have saved half of your month salary for that), get to departure zone: "Sir, but you don't have visa". Get back to visa centre. Pay 100$ for touristic visa, afte 90 days in France get deported, your visa is burnt and you are not allowed to visit shengen countries anymore.
Thank you. Nice plan.

and you're proud of it
because in Western countries, it's acheivement.

taht's what a developed economy is - cheap credit and credit cards. half of the Russians ITT probably don't even have a credit card.

That's changing quickly here though

I don't need credit card. I just save up if I need to buy something expensive.

your country is still recovering from communism

soon you will buy those gadgets with disposable income

> libtard
Difference that I don't live on fucking $1000 myself. I work in IT. And I can afford things.

>ofcourse everything is cheap but life is miserable
not he girls lol

i don't understand those east european who self pity that hard, look at arab and nigger, they just come here and make a better life, why don't you do the same ? what's stoping you ?

i buy a canda goose jacket for 850€, such is life in europe

>recovering from communism

It's rather decaying. Recovering implies improvements and I don't see any. Everything is getting only worse.

>soon you will buy those gadgets with disposable income

Stop mocking us, please.

I don't think buying a macbook pro out of two salaries instead of one is a very rare thing in the west.

And yeah americans buy food on credit, and yes verizon-locked iphones too.

The "huge difference" is in your head.

and fun fac, though iStuff is overpriced in many Euro countries, when ruble dropped, in Russia it was actually cheapest for about half a year.

>partnents of their dead grandma

Jesus, that's how I got mine.

well you have to adopt certain mentality to stay here, one tips for you : if you'r wife give birth on the french territory, they won't deport you unless you do stupid shit (being arrest, etc) after certain years you can ask for citizenship, FUCKING NIGGER FROM AFRICA KNOW THIS ! JUST BE A NIGGER

Why are you so fucking retarded? Unlike niggers we will be deported after staying 90 days in your country because Russia is not considered a "not safe country", after that you won't get any visa at all and will be stuck here forever. The only chance is getting married or finding a job. To find someone who will hire a foreigner you need to be a reeeeeaaaaaaly nice specialist with huge experience and awesome skills. And nobody would drop what they have here like real estate, some wage and possibility to travel to the same France once a year to live on wellfare in french getto together with blacks and arabs if moving illigely and avoiding being deported.

I live better than french nigger. Most of people who speaks foreign language and even think of moving to the west live better than french welfare niggers.

cant you just jump ships into poland? or finland?

bro, that's BS
i have two friends with PhD (neurobioloist and physicist) who couldn't prolong their visa and had to return to Russia with their newborn

yeah you have to be an uneducated african or an arab for that to work

I'm was not even talking anything about westerners or americans. It's you who brought it.
I was arguing that living on $1000 is not "living like a king" not even decent line. I used to spent that just on rent to live in okaish place not in ghetto. And I spend more on food alone because I want steak sometimes or have a lunch in cafe.
And westerners have different living standards too. My friend finished CMU and got job at facebook and his start wage is 150k/year.

Get deported or live worse than you did in Russia.

>why don't you do the same

Nobody would let us to do that. We don't have a civil war or any shit like the arab- and niggerlands do here in Russia. And legal immigration to the West for 99.9% of Russians is impossible.

No, I can't. But even if I could I would be instantly deported.

argument started here you were arguing like it was normal to buy a fucking macbook pro from disposable income (no it isn't, anywhere in the world, for most of the population)

you were implying that you can't have live well on a $1000 when you can, anywhere east of MKAD

you're living in Moscow and that's your problem. you (and westerners ITT) should visit say:
vladivostok.travel/en/

>Why would he do that IT wages in Moscow are better than in Poland and you can work in companies with own projects instead of some outsource shit slavery.
You are kinda wrong.
t. work in one of the companies from the pic

>live in okaish place not in ghetto. And I spend more on food alone because I want steak sometimes or have a lunch in cafe.
Stop projecting your upper middle class standards. You can live a decent life with $1000 wage.

i keep hearing that name, vladivostok.. what is it about?

> from disposable income
You can save to buy it but with $1000 wage you can't save anything you would live from wage to wage because you need to buy clothes, food and other shit. And if you have to pay rent that's fucking hell.
Decent life is when you able to pay mortgage(and possible car credit) and still buy decent food and clothes and some other stuff.
Everything else is poverty and survive not "living like a king with your babushka".

Japan x Russia

i think a junior dev in ABBYY makes about a $1000 in Moscow, and that's probably smaller than in Poland and Czechia, but my impression was that Mid salariies are compareable, and seniors make way more than in EE countries

Is this an empty place or does it just look like it to us?

It's a shithole m7. There is nothing to do for a westerner. Nothing to see apart from commieblocks. No tourist attractions like palaces or museums like in European Russia.
Maybe fuck cheap whores. But it's dirty depressive commieblock shithole.

Average wage in my city (120 thousand inhabitants) is 666$ for a month. If you are educated engineer or a good lawyers it can reach 1500$, if you are NEET mentality bydlo who only finished school and can't do business you will have like 300-400$ wage. With such average wage most families own a car (something like hynday solaris) 2-3 room appartments (40-100 sq.m) (my screen has a nice representation of the most real estate that is represented in my city-Stalin era house to the left, average commieblock to the centre and brand new capitalistic blocks to the right with some infrustructure), they have 1 trip per year to the sea shore (to some russian resorts or something like Spain or Greece) for 1-2 weeks, visit cinema once a month and so on. Not many people are ready to risk all that and throw themselves in arab ghettos of Paris to get the same nominal amount of money.

>with $1000 wage you can't save anything
Wrong. You can't save anything with $250 wage, $1000 is a huge amount of money, that's literally my wage for half a year.

>You can live a decent life with $1000 wage.

You guys have a different understanding of what does a decent life mean. After living for many years in extreme poverty without being able to eat more than twice a day even $500/month seemed to be decent money to me.

youtube.com/watch?v=gHoSiUzTB78

> You can save to buy it but with $1000 wage you can't save anything you would live from wage to wage because you need to buy clothes, food and other shit.
rent - $250, food (cook at home, for two) - $200
the rest is for clubbing, travel abroad or electronics. That all, is if your gf/wife doesn't work at all.

any of the cities around 1mil big in Russia. you can save on a makbook, if you want, but you gotta be an iFag.

It is an abandoned town.

Some people who know how to work prefer living in their own houses but this is not very popular because you will face a lot of problems with infrustructure. The internet will be more expensive for you, city sewerage is not always available so many people use septic tanks etc.

it's not "guys" it's just some single fag, it seems

the system is harshless with white, also black and nigger have their community AND tons of associations and ong who help tthem wit ht he paper workd and finding a job

>Unlike niggers we will be deported after staying 90 days in your country because Russia is not considered a "not safe country

algeria, marocco, mali, senegal are consider safe country and yet we millions of them, like i said if you want to come and stay here you have to adopt a certain mentality that you obviously has not . Maybe it's better, i don't know i was trying to help but looks like you guys are not interesting.

Novosibirsk looks nice
youtube.com/watch?v=S7UDuGE1U1Y&t=14s

And Kalningrad
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it's just a city. pretty average for russia except for the pacific shore
yeah it's got commieblocks, but some places to visit too. like a miniture russia

at least Russia is too cold for me. being a Russian look as terrible as being a ugly Japanese working long and living in Japan

I have friend who lives in huge private house in domodedovo and she has everything infrastructure-wise.

As I wrote it twice to you-most people who even think about moving even illigaly realize that even if they manage to legalize their status and get welfare they will live in the hoods with blacks and niggers and will get the same money they had but in more expensive country. I was in Paris I saw what black districts look like-no thanks, If I can't move by job offer to live like an average citizen I would prefer to stay here and live like lower middle class in France with some issues with infrustructure than downshifting to french low class.

yes
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>clubbing

people still do that?

and they are
they won't be as developed as European cities, but they're nice enough to visit or to live.

Russia's biggest problem is that all of these cities are very alike. So if visiting, it's probably worth to visit places like Kazan, Sochi, maybe something in Far East like Vladivostok, and SpB and Moscow.Unless you are especially interested in Russia all the rest 20 big cities will look the same.

>seniors make way more than in EE countries
How did you know that? With current exchange rates, it is more profitable to work remotely for western companies. A senior here can earn about 120-200k ruble. It's only about 2-3k euro.