Serious question for Americunts...

Serious question for Americunts, why do all your service industry workers expect to be tipped for doing their fucking jobs?

Inb4 "they get shitty wages", how the fuck is that my problem as a customer??

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When i dont tip the servers look very offended. I'm not really sure why they think they deserve a dollar for opening a beer bottle for me.

>/pol
thats the way...

because thats the fucking culture in the united states.
let me ask you something, why dont you tip in your country?

Wow different countries have different cultures and customs. How bizarre!

Because restaurants have gotten away with not having to pay thier employees a liveable wage for so long that it's ingrained in the culture. This also means that it's not added to the cost of your meal either. So you're getting cheaper food and better service as a result of your server actually trying to earn thier rent money. So stop being a cheap tourist cunt and just pay your fucking server.

We don't tip in my country (unless the service is really really exceptional) because the government makes sure that everyone gets paid the same minimum wage. Therefore, the barman doesnt expect you to give him extra money for opening a can of beer

There really is no valid argument to this. This is the right way to run a country.

It's called generosity. You don't have to tip, it's only an option if you so choose. Get over it.

It's not generosity, the customer is 100% expected to tip in a bar/restaurant/barber etc. If you don't tip, you're looked upon as a complete dick.

The argument about better service is completely untrue also, if you have travelled to any other country, you will have seen that the servers are generally more competent and polite in other countries without a tipping culture

When in Rome. It's how it's done here, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just get over it. Everyone will think you are a dick but dicks here don't tip.

So you are saying that in all functions, all transactions in your country are 100% logical and there is no faulty system that you still use anywhere?

Yeah fucking right. Where do you live?

Yes, that is correct. Also, you're now attempting to move the argument away from American tipping culture (which you also seem to be admitting is stupid). I live in a prosperous European nation where the government ensures an equal minimum wage for all workers

Tipping is a generous act. People can be pissed if they want, but it isn't required. If people don't make enough tips to make the federal minimum wage then the employer must compensate the remainder. Either way they get paid minimum wage.

So you're telling me that they actually do get paid the same minimum wage as laborers, office workers etc? And they STILL scowl when you don't tip them? Fuck me

living in the uk i see almost all of this to be wrong i see recipts of people complaining and it comes to far more with the tip

This

>I live in a prosperous European nation
kekd, probably a europoor slav. Won't say where.

I do think tipping is stupid, that doesn't mean anything. It's not worth me getting butthurt or anything. I guess it is for you, but I assume just to hate on america.

You know theres tons of legit things to make fun of, our cops kill us in the streets on a daily basis.

Your "culture" is retarded

The restaurant lobby has successfully kept server wages legally low for decades. Taking a job as a server is on the assumption that you'll be making your money off of tips.

Well, that's NOT the case in the USA.

I always try to tip the server at least 20%, because trust me, they're not gonna pay their bills on their $2.00 an hour.

Where are you from nigger?

not from amerifag that's for sure

They hope to make extra cash in addition to what they would make as a minimum wage. Fuck 'em if they scowl at you. It's not your purpose to help them get their money.

True, you also imported niggers to pick your cotton and then released them and let them ruin the country

Stay mad. You will die sooner

Now you don't sound as retarded as the other europoors. Glad I could do some good ITT

nope, i'm not a fat fuck who eat exclusively hamburgers with shitty steaks like americans.

>Inb4 "they get shitty wages", how the fuck is that my problem as a customer??
Because if they weren't paid shitty wages, the cost of those goods and services would rise to pay for the difference.

You'd be paying the tip in either situation.

Obviously jelly of muh steaks

originally tipping was frowned upon in america, it was seen as a form of bribery. everyone deserved to be served equally and taking tips was enabling the upper class to receive better service. but during Prohibition (the legalization of alcohol in america) restaurants and bars profits declined so much that they couldnt pay their servers a proper living wage, hence servers were encouraged to take tips to make ends meet. it eventually became customary for everyone to do so because waiters still for some stupid fucking reason dont get paid a livable wage

>If people don't make enough tips to make the federal minimum wage then the employer must compensate the remainder. Either way they get paid minimum wage.
And then they get their ass fired. If it was because their bad work was costing them tips, then fine. If it's because dick customers aren't tipping them, well shit, they just lost their job because of a broken system.

illegalization*

hows that us history degree treatin ya

actually i just love that new show adam ruins everything

You don't lose your job if you don't get tips. I don't understand what you're trying to get at here.

Tipping is conducive to better service. Bar and restaurant service in Europe is poor compared to Canada and the United States

Where the fuck do you work every restaurant like Denny's or ihop's has servers earning tips on top of minimum wage they are not making 2 dollars an hour I do not know where the fuck this exists..

I don't agree at all, genuinely not trolling here. I found that the servers in American restaurants frequently messed up my orders or took an extremely long time to come over and take my order, compared to servers in my home country

If you consistently need to be paid more money from your place of employment because of your lack of tips, do you REALLY think that place of employment won't replace you with someone they won't have to pay extra?

Do you HONESTLY think that's how minimum wage employment works in America? People get fired *snap* like that all the time.

You do not get minimum wage if employed in a tipped position. You make substantially less money directly from your place of employment.

My experience contradicts your experience. Both could easily be attributed to being treated like a foreigner, but I don't put much stock in personal experiences.

Still thinks it good for service, I tip more the better the service. Pretty much everyone does.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage_in_the_United_States

God bless america

not all service workers expect tips, just waitstaff since they're only paid a few cents ove $2 an hour. if they dont make the standard federal minimum from their tips, their employer has to make up the difference. if the employer has to make up the difference too many times, they'll fire the employee and replace them with someone who can pull in more tips. the reason waitstaff push for tips is because they arent being fully paid for their work, the cstomer is expected to make up the difference and if the customer doesnt, the employee is in danger of loosing their job. the employer's profit trumps employee rights everytime.

Maybe not usa then but I'm from Canada and we have tipping culture here and i found bar service extremely poor in the UK and Ireland
Bar tenders there show no haste and don't care if you've been served or not. I could wait at the bar cash in hand and not get served for several minutes whereas in Canada you get served as soon as you step up to the bar even if its crazy busy

I live in the US and have worked in restaurants. They go through seasons of being busy, they don't fire people in the off season because there is less tips to go around and they have to pay people more.

Regardless of what you may think, most restaurants are not like the walmarts in the world, they are people that live close to the people they employ, Americans are not robots.

ITT European assholes who have never waited a table in their entire life talking about shit they dont know

It's a custom dating back to the great depression. It keeps waiters from being analogous to McDonald's counter workers

Well you guys should really do something about that then, shouldn't you?

Lol poorfag is angry because he's a poor fag. The answer is, get a proper job so you can tip the stupid Americunts.

There are places with shitty wage making help you don't have to tip seek those places out

>Americans are not robots.
they sure are treated like robots, since robots are their main competition. why pay a salary when you can make a one time payment for a machine thats more precise and works 24/7 with no breaks?

How much is minimum wage in burgerland? And what can you buy with it more or less?

Robots are not competition they are time savers. Laundromats are not in competition with fucking washing machines, they both exist and you can use either.

We create things like washing machines because they do work for us and that is a good thing. If you think that is something to be afraid of then you are either a troll or completely retarded.

It's important to note that tipped wages in Canada are far better than they are in the US. IF your province has a lower minimum wage for tipped positions, it's a difference of 2 dollars per hour from the $10+ minimum, not a reduction to $2 per hour like most of the states in the US.

like what? pass legislation thats lobbied against by the armies of lobbyists and lawyers the employers use that spare profit to pay? you think.now ones thought of this before? what's a few thousand people living in poverty going to do against a handful of billionaires with politicians on their payroll?

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8 an hour is average
literally nothing, income tax takes 20% sales takes another 7.5%
most waiters cant get full time either so theres no benefits and cant get overtime. most young adults get houses with total strangers because its literally impossible to live on your own sustainably.
owning a car is completely mandatory car insurance is ridiculously expensive until you are 25 (mine went from 200 a month to 50 the day i turned 25)
college bankrupts most people before they can even start a career

basically youth in america is doomed

Who are you going to pay to maintain and fix the machine? Sounds expensive.

Another robot?

*best country in the world*

>Laundromats are not in competition with fucking washing machines
youre right, machines are not competition for othr machines. tell the thousands of factory workeds without jobs who have been replaced with robotic arms that robots arent their competition. this isnt theory, this is practice.

We do it to award people who are good at service jobs. Because unlike you communist pieces of shit we like to reward hard work and don't think some lazy nigger giving you terrible service deserves to earn the same amount as someone who works really hard.

no, a highly trained specialist. someone who there are very few of due to the difficulty and expense of the skills required for the position. there isnt one specialist per machine, its one specialist for every machine.

They need an actual reason to fire you, such as negatively impacting the work environment (maybe being a dick to customers). Lack of tips doesn't equate to probable cause for termination of employment. The employer would easily be sued if they fired an employee just for not making enough tips to match the federal minimum wage.

Federal is $7.25/hr with waiters getting federal $2.15? I think. Haven't looked at it in a while. The only tipped jobs I know of that make the full $7.25 is delivery drivers as they provide their own vehicle and gas. But here's the thing. A good server or driver that makes good tips can pull in some good numbers and a lot of places don't count it into the income. There's people I know that don't even work in large cities pulling down their $7.25 during the week and come Friday and Saturday they make like $20-$30/hr as an average for the night. Its just like your shitty barista hipsters pissing and moaning about "muh $15!!!"

The US is doing fine, we have had washing machines for 40 years, no job catastrophe.

Automated cars might be what you are looking for, since transportation is 25% of the workforce. But guess what, we will still be fine and better for it. Faggot

A highly trained specialist and an expensive robot is still very much more expensive than a cook and it will be for some time. When it's not, we won't need that job, but it will still be around.

Some day everyone will basically be an artist. That's a good thing.

youd be suprised how corrupt america is buddy.
ive been fired for not making enough tips. they can say if you arent making tips then you obviously arent doing your job optimally. which is an excuse for termination.

Laundromats are not machines, they are businesses with people who use machines.

You've gotta be dense. I'm a server in the US, I make $2.13 an hour, taxed. My paychecks are anywhere from $0.20 to $5. The tips given are the living wage, it's done like that here so that servers are always giving the most exceptional service that they can. Paid a flat wage, one wouldn't be as motivated to excel.

If everyone else on the staff is making their money and you aren't I got news for you...

youtube.com/watch?v=r2LYzaj0j6Q

yea i know i wasnt doing my job well im just letting you know that it is possible

one specialist making $100k a year and a dozen robots cost far less than100 employees making 20k a year for an entire career.

You need to get work at a new place because if you want to make minimum wage after tips serving burgers then just work at fucking mcdonalds. I don't know any waiters who only make minimum wage.

Have you ever actually lived in the US?
As said, it's a little more corrupt than you might think. It's a first world country with second world law enforcement

i said automated manufacturing. if automation is not a problem to auto manufacturers, tell that to an auto factory worker, if you can find one.

This was actually interesting and useful information, thanks user
>inb4 falsehood fiction only an idiot etc etc

This. Incentive to earn your tips. I always tip at least $5 for base service if spending like $20 or so. If the service is like on point to the point that I notice, I'll go as high as $10. The only way I go less than $5 is if the service sucks. $4 less than par, $3 terrible, $2 worst ever. But I still tip as my wife cares what people think and in either of those 3 situations if I was alone I wouldn't tip shit.

We are talking about fucking restaurants and tips. What the fuck do they need 100 employees for?

My paid wage is $2.13 an hour, and my tips are taxed, leaving my paychecks that low. I keep my tip money. I'm not sure where you got the idea that my pay at the end of the day is less than minimum wage or that it has anything to do with burgers, but my point is, tips are the payment servers get in this country. That's how it's set up, those that don't tip are either ignorant or assholes. Often times, both

i think the question should be "where besides USA/CAN a tip expected as part of normal service"? Ausfag here

car factories are not machines, they are factories that use machines. eithr way, neithe employ employees, and both contribute nothing to their local economy, especially the multinational shipping its profits offshore.

Australian here so I was treated as a foreigner in both the US and Yurop.
European service, quality and general attitude was significantly better in my experience. This was across a whole bunch of countries/states and the whole spectrum of dining establishments (fast food thru to fancy shit)

I wasn't him. Being a server isn't for everyone. And it definitely shouldn't be making a livable wage as an hourly rate. That shit should be reserved for HS kids, housewives wanting an extra few bucks, and as a transition from one job to the next. Or for someone who's just passionate about being a server. I've never done it. I know I would suck at it. Same with sales.

also its some bullshit that the company has manipulated you all into paying the costs ie wages that they wont pay

Nigger have you never heard of a "right to work state"?

>press f3
>look up automated, nope
>manufacturing, nope
I don't think you said that. But you are off topic

>f you were following the converation, which you obvioulsy weren't, that was a hypothetical about factory work.
a restaurant chain employs far more than 100 waitstaff and would happily replace them all with a touch screen.

This all depends on where you go. Unless you've been to 20+ restaurants across the country, saying service was better here or there is solely subjected to luck of the draw

>Not sure if there are this many retards here or if OP is just spewing more shitposts

Most restaurants in the US are not a major chain, faggot. That was literally the first fucking thing I said, most places that people tip at are not like fucking walmart.

>implying
Seriously question to anyone who has experience in multiple countries. Which ones tended to cost more? I would assume US restaurants charge less since they don't really pay servers

then stop searching for keywords and strat reading what was posted you lazy shit.

ye, strat readin ya shit

I did, you were off topic. Off my restaurant with robots vs employees topic anyway.

Just thought that was a more clever way of saying fuck off

walmatr has no waitstaff and therefore has no one who relies on tips, no matter the size of the restautant, they all pay the same minimum for waitstaff, youre using false equivalence.

but really what other industry could you imagine the consumer paying a % for a professional doing their jobs

It varies so widely, obviously. If you came to the US in New York, you would think everywhere in the US charged 9 dollars for a fucking hot dog.

Yeah, that's the problem. I can't think of a way to justly compare prices

Strippers?