TLDR: A former Russian sports doctor (Vorobiev) employed with their national team for almost 40 years provided hard, documented proof that the same Russian sports doctor directly implicating in masterminding Russia's state-run doping program (Portugalov) up to 2015 was directing specific and general doping programs as far back as the lead-up to the 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles before the Soviets boycotted. It is a 1983 letter from Portugalov to Vorobiev and others outlining the general doping strategy, avoiding detection and specific doses of steroids for different types of athletes. Excerpts from the article to follow. cont.
>Late in 1983, months before they announced a boycott of the Los Angeles Olympics, sports officials of the Soviet Union sent detailed instructions to the head of the nation’s track and field team. >Oral steroid tablets were not enough, they said, to ensure dominance at the Games. The team should also inject its top athletes with three other kinds of anabolic steroids. >Providing precise measurements and timetables for the doping regimens, the officials said they had a sufficient supply of the banned substances on hand at the Research Institute of Physical Culture and Sports in Moscow, a division of the government’s sports committee. >The document — obtained by The New York Times from a former chief medical doctor for Soviet track and field — was signed by Dr. Sergei Portugalov, a Soviet sports doctor >Now, more than 30 years later, Dr. Portugalov is a central figure in Russia’s current doping scandal. Last fall, the World Anti-Doping Agency named him as a key broker of performance-enhancing drugs in Russia, someone who in recent years injected athletes personally and made a business of covering up drug violations in exchange for money. >Revelations of the recent schemes, which antidoping authorities said dated back at least a decade, compelled the international governing body for track and field to bar Russia’s team from the Rio Games, the most severe doping penalty in Olympic history. cont.
Sebastian Brooks
>The 1983 document and the account of Dr. Grigory Vorobiev, the former chief medical doctor, who spent more than three decades with the Soviet track team, provide new evidence of how far back Russia’s state-sponsored doping stretches. >His career in Russian sports medicine lasted through the 1990s. In deteriorating health, Dr. Vorobiev left Moscow five years ago for Chicago, where his son and grandchildren live. >Over two days of interviews there, in an assisted-living complex with Russian-language newspapers lying around the lobby, Dr. Vorobiev wore a blue Soviet tracksuit with “CCCP” on the back as he recounted his career. He spoke at the encouragement of his son, who had accompanied him to the hospital in recent weeks and said he wanted his father’s life documented in light of the recent doping revelations. >Dr. Vorobiev, speaking Russian that was translated by his son, recalled some details more vividly than others, relying on journals, documents and black-and-white photographs of athletes in motion to trigger memories dating to 1959, when he was hired as one of the Soviet Union’s first full-time sports doctors. >With little emotion, he described a system in which winning at any cost without getting caught was paramount. He projected loyalty to his country while plainly wrestling with contradictions: As a member of the medical commission of track and field’s global governing body, he policed doping at international competitions while knowing that many of Russia’s top athletes were using banned substances. >Dr. Vorobiev said he was not sure whether the doping scheme detailed in the 1983 document was carried out. Regardless, the communication captures the results-oriented mentality of the nation’s sports committee, which he said intensified over time as athletes became preoccupied with drugs. cont.
Julian Miller
>By the 1970s, he said, most of the several hundred athletes with whom he worked were asking about performance-enhancing drugs, particularly after traveling to international competitions. >When athletes sought advice in individual consultations, he said, he told them to take “as low a dose as possible,” cautioning them to watch for cramps or changes in voice as signs that they had overdone it. Most of all, he stressed that drugs were not a substitute for rigorous training. >Not everyone chose to use illicit substances, he said, defending Soviet sports as not uniformly tainted. He was unable to estimate how many athletes had used drugs, adding that some who had shown drastic physical changes had denied doping during private consultations with him. >But low doses of oral steroids were common among top track athletes, Dr. Vorobiev said, asserting that if he had dissuaded them from taking drugs, he would have been blamed for poor results and summarily fired. >The antidoping movement was in its infancy at that time; the World Anti-Doping Agency, the regulator of drugs in sport, was not created until more than 20 years later. >Still, sports officials were conscious of the need to combat drugs at major competitions. Anabolic steroids had been banned by the International Olympic Committee, and testing for them debuted at the 1976 Games, making the regimen that Soviet officials proposed for Los Angeles unambiguously prohibited. >The 1983 letter — addressed to Dr. Vorobiev’s boss, the head of Soviet track and field — cited competition as a main motivation for adding injections to the “special pharmacological profiles” already developed for national athletes following a meeting of the country’s sports committee on Nov. 24, 1983. >The three additional drugs were Retabolil, Stromba and Stromba-jet, forms of the steroids nandrolone decanoate and stanozolol. The officials had enough Retabolil in their possession, they said. cont.
Landon White
>bans a bunch of clean Russian athletes >allows former banned athletes, like Gatlin
Nice job, Murrica.
Anthony Peterson
>“A range of data,” the letter said, “proves that the main opponents of Soviet athletes will use the aforementioned injection form of anabolic steroids at the upcoming Olympic Games.” >The letter — signed and archived by Dr. Portugalov, and bearing the signature of a colleague at the Institute for Physical Culture, Roshen D. Seyfulla — said that top athletes with chances of winning medals were prime candidates for injections. >It suggested paying particular attention to those who had performed well while taking oral steroids. >Three to five vials of 50 milligrams each should be injected into those athletes, the officials instructed, with the final doses administered 145 to 157 days before the Olympics. >Drawn into the plot, according to the document, was the Soviet antidoping lab, which the officials — mindful of Olympic drug-testing — had recruited to determine how long the steroids in question would linger in the system. >“There is only one basic reason to reject the injection form — the lack of definite data about how much time it takes to clear the body,” the letter said. >“We will have the official recommendation and conclusion no later than Dec. 15, 1983,” it continued, suggesting that national sports officials and antidoping authorities were colluding to cover up doping. >Such collusion happened in Russia as recently as last year, antidoping investigators said in a report last month, detailing how the national drug-testing lab helped formulate special drug cocktails for Russian athletes and covered up drug violations on orders from the country’s sports ministry. >In May 1984, about five months after the document outlining a doping plan was circulated, the Soviet Union withdrew from the Los Angeles Games, citing the “anti-Olympian actions of the U.S. authorities and organizers of the Games” in a statement. “Chauvinistic sentiments and an anti-Soviet hysteria are being whipped up in the country,” it said. cont.
Easton Wood
He should be banned, too, IMO. WADA and IOC need to grow some balls and clean this shit up.
>But the fixation on beating the competition by using banned substances did not end, Dr. Vorobiev said. He described an atmosphere in which winning was supremely important, in which drugs displaced training as the primary method of preparation, and in which Dr. Portugalov’s profile continued to rise. >For decades, Dr. Portugalov was a little-known figure outside Russia. Inside the country, however, he was a “fairly authoritative and very knowledgeable” figure who was not shy about advertising access to the best performance-enhancing substances, according to Dr. Vorobiev. >Dr. Vorobiev said that his own philosophy on developing elite athletes was not aligned with that of Dr. Portugalov’s, and that he preserved the document over several decades because he considered it proof of how Dr. Portugalov was masterminding the Soviet sports-science program. >Dr. Portugalov came to global prominence in 2014 when two Russian whistle-blowers identified him as a linchpin distributor in Russia’s state-run doping scheme. cont.
Robert Green
The IOC isn't American.
Jayden Hughes
>Richard W. Pound, the former president of the antidoping agency who led last year’s investigation into doping in track and field, called the 1983 document an unsurprising indication of the long history of Russia’s doping program. >“It shows the foundation on which a lot of this has been built,” he said. “The system we encountered is not new. It’s a continuation of the Soviet days.” >Dr. Vorobiev’s career with the national team ended after he was blamed for an athlete’s drug violation in the mid-1990s. The violation in question, he said, involved the drug Phenotropil, which was used by Russian astronauts and military members to combat fatigue. >He is characteristically pragmatic about the terms on which his 37-year tenure ended. “That’s life,” he said, expressing a steady loyalty to the ministry while criticizing people like Dr. Portugalov who, he said, corrupted sports and shifted focus away from skillful coaching. >“Am I happy now that the problems have surfaced 20 years later?” he said, referring to his 1996 departure. “It was inevitable.” >“Obviously, it would be better with Russia,” he said, shrugging matter-of-factly in his Soviet team uniform. “I hope this will be a lesson to train harder, and maybe there will be less steroids as a result.” cont.
Nathaniel Green
What guarantees that the disgruntled former doctor is not lying?
Dominic Sanders
This pretty much throws heavy doubt on all Russian Track and Field medals back to at least 1983, if not further back and in more/all areas of Olympic sport.
The McLaren report in conjunction with this document may be the biggest sports scandal in history. In ten years, once everything comes out in the wash, people will be asking "East German swim team? What about them?" or "Lance Armstrong? Who was he?"
I don't think they'll ever let Russia host an international sporting event again once the depth of this cesspit is plumbed. The Vorobiev document just came out about 10 hours ago.
>What guarantees that the disgruntled former doctor is not lying? The simple fact that he has the actual 1983 document signed by Portugalov plus Portugalov's presence as a central figure in the McLaren/Sochi investigation.
Cameron Baker
Read the source. The old doc has the actual letter from 1983, signed by the head of the Russian doping/sports science program as recently as 2015.
Jeremiah Sullivan
This. WE DEMAND MULTIPLE PROOFS.
Josiah Kelly
Gatlin should have been banned. Armstrong should be pilloried. Marion Jones should be publicly put in the stocks. Etc.
But there is a big, big difference between individual athletes doping and an entire country using its intelligence services and national anti-doping agency to cover for and actively promote the doping of their athletes.
Adam Jones
>Sochi investigation >McLaren report >Stepanova testimony >Vorobiev letter >all lining up with Portugalov as a central figure >all adding up to Russian state doping program going back to at the very least 1983
Pretty sure that counts as multiple proofs.
Bentley Flores
>portugalov
Aaron Rivera
BTW, Stepanova specifically mentioned Portugalov as the architect of her doping regimen, and he personally dosed her on several occasions.
>>portugalov Clearly a front. This is why Portugal has never popped for doping.
Dylan Lee
Why did he take 40 years to reveal this? And just after probably getting in a heated argument with his former bosses and angry. Let's admit it, Russia is not in its best shape and a Russian doctor needs money, and America has money. America bribed the guy and faked documents. He's an old man and his mental faculties are deteriorating, you can't take this man seriously, he's mad. Mad.
Evan Johnson
so is this Russia sports doctor Jewish?
Hudson Cruz
were is the prooves
Wyatt Price
>state pushed doping >still can't make top 5 in gold medals
Noah Powell
>Why did he take 40 years to reveal this? He just moved to the states (Chicago) due to failing health to be near his son 5 years ago. Also, he's still a patriot. He kept the document because he didn't agree with injecting steroids; he thought it was too dangerous. He though the oral steroids were ok, though. Also, it seems like he may have had a professional rivalry with Portugalov.
>And just after probably getting in a heated argument with his former bosses and angry. He's been retired since the 90's. He's in his 80s now.
>Let's admit it, Russia is not in its best shape and a Russian doctor needs money, and America has money. America bribed the guy and faked documents. The document was independently aged, translated and verified by the NYT. Read the source.
>He's an old man and his mental faculties are deteriorating, you can't take this man seriously, he's mad. I'd be sympathetic to this viewpoint if he hadn't spent 37 years as a highly regarded sports science doctor with the Soviet international sports team AND had the actual 1983 document in hand.
Evan Mitchell
It's actually the IAAF that banned the Russians and lifted the ban on Gatlin. If they are letting Gatlin and banning the Russians, this mass ban is just a political bullshit. Do you think Murrica has no influence in this matter? Only NATO members (and Japan) pressured the IOC to ban the whole Russian delegation.
James Richardson
>Portugalov ayy lmao I call bullshit on this, can't even make up names
Robert Foster
HE HAS A POINT!
Dominic Thomas
I find the lack of proofs ITT underwhelming.
Asher Clark
>Clearly a front. This is why Portugal has never popped for doping.
Actually we have one athlete running the marathon who was banned recently for doping
Samuel Nelson
>If they are letting Gatlin He served a four-year suspension, as per rules (not enough IMO). His offense was in 2006.
>banning the Russians, this mass ban is just a political bullshit Their offense was recent. Also, the mass ban is the direct result of the fact that none of their samples can be verified because they all went through the Russian anti-doping agency, which was thoroughly compromised. When the entire aparatus designed to keep athletes clean in a country is subverted to protect and tamper with their dirty samples, a mass temporary ban is the least of all possible punishments. The Russians did that to themselves when they made it impossible to verify whether or not their athletes are clean.
>Only NATO members (and Japan) pressured the IOC to ban the whole Russian delegation. This is patently untrue.
Levi Ortiz
I hate this bullshit
We all know every team dopes in one way or another. Maybe there are a few clean athletes out there, but stop with the hypocrisy and lying.
Easton Reed
NYT is nothing but a puppet of the American government which made up all this farse to start with. Funny how this is "revealed" now that Russia is starting to become relevant again and might rival America. Nothing but good old anti-communism propaganda. Americans stepped up their psy-ops since last time. Aren't you ashamed of living under a government as vile as this?
Zachary Parker
>Actually we have one athlete running the marathon who was banned recently for doping Damn. I was working up to a grand conspiracy masterminded by a zombie John II of Portugal. Back to the tinfoil drawing board.
Jace Hill
Holy shit, Vatnik. If youre going to proxy, at least try to role play.
Isaac Ross
there's russians in brazil for olympics, the vatnik's not necessarily using a proxy
Nicholas Robinson
>NYT is nothing but a puppet of the American government which made up all this farse to start with. Nothing like RT or Sputnik news, amirite?
>Funny how this is "revealed" now that Russia is starting to become relevant again and might rival America. They haven't been on an upward trajectory since 2014. They've long since fucked themselves with a cactus. This is just deserts for past fuckery.
>Nothing but good old anti-communism propaganda. What would be the point, considering Russia is and has been for a while an Oligarchic Kleptocracy. Communism has been out of style there since 1991. Maybe you got the memo?
>Americans stepped up their psy-ops since last time. Considering recent Russian bullshit, the US doesn't really have to play that game. They just wait for evidence of Russia fucking up to come out and bring it to the world's attention. Did they really think that ridiculous Sochi doping scheme would work? That's some James Bond villain shit right there. Way, way too many people in on it to keep the secret.
>Aren't you ashamed of living under a government as vile as this? Better than being born in Russia, m8.
Noah Sanders
>the mass ban is the direct result of the fact that none of their samples can be verified This is not accurate since they offered the clean athletes to participate under the IAT's flag. If they could participate under an independent flag, the impossibility of testing their samples is bullshit. None of the athletes agreed to participate under IAT's flag.
>there's russians in brazil for olympics, the vatnik's not necessarily using a proxy What if it's a pissed off and drunk Darya Klishina watching T&F replays while shitposting on Sup Forums from Rio?
TITS!
Cooper Miller
Não tem proxy aqui não, cuzão.
Bentley Stewart
I'm Brasilian (Brasil is written with an S in my native language). It goes to show that even me, an independent and unbiased observer, has many reasons to doubt this so-called "leak".
David Jones
hurr durr soviet programm hurr durr every other country not doing the same
Dominic Green
>This is not accurate since they offered the clean athletes to participate under the IAT's flag. How does anyone know whether they're clean? The same agency directly swapping/disappearing samples was the one ensuring they've been clean the last two years. It's not about whether they're clean at the Olympics, but also during training. Read up on WADA.
>If they could participate under an independent flag, the impossibility of testing their samples is bullshit. Again, current samples being clean means nothing, especially when an entire country's anti-doping agency and intelligence service is working on masking agents for them. They must train clean as well.
>None of the athletes agreed to participate under IAT's flag. This is flat bullshit.
>Não tem proxy aqui não, cuzão. I can use Google Translate, too.
>It goes to show that even me, an independent and unbiased observer, has many reasons to doubt this so-called "leak". You're arguing against hard documented proof, an in depth international investigation and eyewitness testimony from within the program. And you're providing zero evidence yourself, only tin foil and MUH EVEL MURRICA memes.
Josiah Garcia
In the words of every Russian poster on the interwebs, >hurr durr every other country not doing the same PROOFS
Ayden Martin
Woah, you seem to know a lot about this and you are a bit too personally invested in it. Almost as if you had a hand in... CREATING these dubious papers.
Jaxson Morris
You got me. I am the CIA. And you don't have a spot on this manifest. How well do you fly?
Daniel Wilson
>former chief physician of the national team of the USSR Grigory Vorobiev >not a good source
Gabriel Ross
>you seem to know a lot about this and you are a bit too personally invested in it. You're right. I know way too much. I read the article, and followed the WADA Sochi investigation. You know, the one outlining the biggest doping scandal in sports, ever? My interest in the topic is completely nefarious and suspicious, what with the Olympics going on and all.
Cameron Powell
Russia doesn't win nearly as many medals as the U.S. or China, so their doping program isn't phenomenal.
Luis Gomez
>I am the CIA
Blake Murphy
found these posts in the comfy thread. seems like they fit here.
>Here's another fun fact, my low-information friend. Total doping cases at the Olympics (only athletes that were popped/sanctioned by the IOC/WADA), 1968-current at Rio: >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_at_the_Olympic_Games >*CAVEAT Obviously, Russian doping testing at Sochi is suspect as per the McLaren report, specifically concerning Russian athlete testing - their real number will climb dramatically as samples are retested >>Russia/USSR/Unified Team: 21 >>US: 17 >>Austria: 14 >>Ukraine: 11 >>Bulgaria: 10 >>Belarus: 8 >>Poland: 8 >>Hungary: 7 >>Spain: 6 >>Turkey: 6 >>Sweden: 5 >and all the rest are under 5 total offenses. >So, yes, the US number is far higher than it should be, and that is shameful. However, we see significantly higher doping rates in former Warsaw Pact countries in general. I wonder what happens if we apply per Capita methods to these numbers.
>You claimed the US Track and Field team was the #1 all time doping team in the sport. You were wrong, by a lot. Don't get salty because you got called on bullshit. >I don't know why you're bringing swimming into this now, but all time doping cases in swimming by country: >>East Germany: 16 >>Russia/USSR: 10 >>China: 8 >>The United States? Only 2. >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Doping_cases_in_swimming
>Except the completely banned Russian team. >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_athletics >Number of track and field doping cases by country, all time: >>United States: 92 >>Russia/USSR: 111 >Belarus, Romania and Ukraine are also frequent offenders. As is China. Kenya, Morocco, Nigeria and Turkey round out the usual suspects.
Tyler Morris
Jesus fuck. This whole topic just makes me sick.
If none of the Russian/Soviet medals mean a fucking thing, then none of the US victories over them mean a fucking thing either. Miracle on ice? Worthless. On down the line. This shit just makes me sad and angry. Sangry.
This fucking shit poisons every international and olympic competition for the last 40 years. Fucking fuck you all.
Christian Gutierrez
>NYT
get someone with some credibility
Lucas Cook
>former chief physician of the national team of the USSR Grigory Vorobiev >no credibility
David Morris
All I know is what the NYT says he said and they have 0 credibility.
Christian Gray
It means our boys and girls beat the Soviet super athletes
Adam Peterson
How long until Vorobiev is assassinated?
Zachary Ward
>All I know is what the NYT says he said and they have 0 credibility. They have a picture of the document in question, dipshit. This story is too big for them to not vet it. You will see it confirmed in most major media outlets within 24 hours, except for RT and Sputnik. They'll be too busy raving about western capitalist plots from NATO.
James Bailey
>see Nike Oregon Project training center doping
That would just be the tip of the iceberg too, burgers are just better at hiding their doping.
Lucas Murphy
>elite athletes doping
OH MY GOD I NEVER WOULD HAVE GUESSED
Dylan Cruz
I don't care anymore. One more scandal doesn't make a difference.
Anyway, WADA suddenly realized it can't check if an athlete has problems with doping. I think WADA hasn't been doing its job properly all these years. Maybe someone should punish WADA instead of the clean athletes.
Landon Cox
>Nike Oregon Project So a corrupt set of coaches is the same thing as an entire state anti-doping service and intelligence service being subverted to protect doping athletes while supplying them with tailor-made cocktails?
Ok.
Camden Hernandez
>Anyway, WADA suddenly realized it can't check if an athlete has problems with doping. I think WADA hasn't been doing its job properly all these years. Maybe someone should punish WADA instead of the clean athletes. Something I agree with a Russian poster about concerning doping. Will the wonders never cease?
WADA and international sport agencies need bigger teeth. Period. Dopers need to be banned on the first offense. Unless you can prove a clear mis-label on over-the-counter non-banned medication or a medical need for a medication on the per-case list, your ass is done.
Asher Green
>implying that is all there is
impossible to tell how far it really goes
Benjamin Hernandez
>Maybe someone should punish WADA instead of the clean athletes. Your FSB and anti-doping agency made it impossible to confirm who's been clean for years. That's the point. No one has any clue who the clean athletes are between the sample interference and the administration of tailored low-detection cocktails like Dutchess.
theguardian.com/sport/2016/jul/18/russia-doping-scandal-five-things-wada-report >After Dr Grigor Rodchenko became director of the Moscow laboratory, with the responsibility of improving Russian sport performance by covering up doping, he developed a steroid cocktail optimised to avoid detection. Initially that cocktail consisted of Oral Turinabol, Oxandrolone and Methasterone which was dissolved in alcohol (Chivas whisky for the men, and Vermouth for the women). The solution was then swished in the mouth in order to be absorbed by the bucal membrane and then spat out. As the report notes: “While Dr Rodchenkov’s ‘cocktail’ may sound fanciful ... steroids dissolve better in alcohol than in water, and the administration of steroids through bucal absorption, as compared to injection or swallowing the drug, does shorten the window of detectability.” The cocktail had a name too: “Duchess” after a traditional Russian drink.
Mason Cox
Except that the US anti-doping agency was questioning and investigating their high altitude rooms as early as 2002, a year after they were formed. It's not like they were giving them tailored drug cocktails and using the CIA to swap samples.
Andrew Murphy
Why do you people have such a rabid hatred for doping?
Jason Price
Because it's fucking bullshit and a distraction from the game. It's ruined track and field, cycling, baseball, weightlifting, etc. For me it was the baseball. Seems like you can't even get through a game anymore without some mention of PEDs, and it's fucking bullshit. I'm sick of hearing about it, I'm sick of thinking about it and it's goddamn past time to clean the shit up.
Henry Flores
Everybody does it. It will never ever go away. My advice to you is to get over it and accept that it's here to stay. I can take all the drugs I want and I will never beat Michael Phelps in a swimming contest. No amount of HGH or testosterone will allow me to swing the bat like Barry Bonds. No amount of blood doping or EPO will allow me ride a bike like Lance Armstrong.
When they all do it, and they do, it's not an edge or an advantage. It is a necessity to stay competitive.
Liam Gray
We have a state sponsored doping program too. It's just done on a sport by sport basis here. t. me, former Olympic wrestling hopeful
Owen Wilson
But where is the photographic evidence of Russian regular troops in Ukr-I mean Russian doping of athletes?
This smells a lot like russophobia desu t. English man
Parker Perry
>everybody does it
Not everybody does it, that's the thing, but enough do that it raises the question every time someone does exceptionally well
Aaron Turner
>When they all do it, and they do, it's not an edge or an advantage. It is a necessity to stay competitive. That's what the dopers tell themselves. But it's complete bullshit. They aren't all doing it. In fact, significantly less than half of them in the worst sports at the wildest outside estimates are doing it. The whole "everyone is doing it" excuse is weakminded bullshit that shitheels tell themselves to make it ok.
Mason Jenkins
holy VPN Vatnik playing the dad works at nintendo card, batman! he's going all out!
Adam Jones
wow, I'm soo glad we got rod of those cheating Russians, now everything is right in sports, there is no doping at all and everyone is clean and fair :)
Isaac Nguyen
>Your FSB and anti-doping agency made it impossible to confirm who's been clean for years. It's under WADA's responsibility and it fucked up. What if CIA does exactly the same? The organization can't do anything to prevent it, WADA is hopeless and incompetent. That scares me more than mysterious FSB agents. I just hope WADA and the agencies stop fooling around and start actually working so I can watch sports without worries. But something tells me it's not going to happen.
Camden Moore
It's just some supplements lads, who cares? What is doping and what isn't is entirely subjective and in the end they should just allow everything already.
Chase Rodriguez
When will the americans get banned?
Goodell bans players left and right but no American olympian gets banned.
Something seems very fishy to me.
Jace Jenkins
Just because Russia does it doesnt mean every other country does it (proofs!).
For example, other countries also dont embargo their own citizens from foreign foodstuffs.
Caleb Rogers
>It's under WADA's responsibility and it fucked up. Your anti-doping agency was literally empowered by WADA to ensure laboratory integrity. WADA itself can't do a fucking thing when an entire nation uses its intelligence service to subvert and pervert every possible anti-doping protocol. It's not an international intelligence service. It didn't even have authority to perform its own investigations until 2014.
They need bigger teeth, both in the enforcement rules (length of bans, etc.) and in the ability to investigate and spot check subservient labs/doping agencies.
Brandon Wilson
>Goodell bans players left and right but no American olympian gets banned. That's because Goodell literally has more discretionary disciplinary power than WADA. He can actually enforce the NFL banned substance policies, whereas WADA is completely outclassed in the face of direct FSB involvement. Which is fucking sad.
I'm just sick of this shit.
Isaiah Nelson
Summer Olympics are garbage except for some fun parts such as heart, deathmarch and the relevant men's athletics events
William Nguyen
can't wait for the putin to dox american swim team and releasing it on wikileaks.
Isaac Turner
FUCK NATO AND NATO COCK SUCKERS
WE HAVE THE LONGEST BORDER WITH RUSSIA IN EUROPE BUT YOU DON'T SEE FINNS CRYING ABOUT RUSSIA EVERY FUCKING DAY
RUSSIA LITERALLY DID NOTHING THAT VERY OTHER COUNTRY ISN'T DOING
ALL THE AMERICAN MEDALS WON BY THE LIKES OF FLORENCE GRIFFITH JOYNER ETC ARE ALL DONE ON DRUGS
>WE HAVE THE LONGEST BORDER WITH RUSSIA IN EUROPE BUT YOU DON'T SEE FINNS CRYING ABOUT RUSSIA EVERY FUCKING DAY Spend so long as Russia's cute little twink, and I guess you stop feeling that dick up your ass every day.
Simo Hayha must be rolling in his grave.
Aaron Hall
We all know. And some of us aren't exactly fine with Gatlin being allowed to participate. >inb4 someone ddismisses le current year man despite this being one of the actual good segments he has done
James Murphy
>And some of us aren't exactly fine with Gatlin being allowed to participate. I think most of us are on that bus.
Well, those of us who aren't so fucking jaded at this point we're saying, "why bother?"
Only way this shit gets cleaned up is if they Pete Rose the fuck out of anyone ever caught doping.
Brayden Brown
Oh, and send a strong fucking message to the Russian ministry of sport. If you as a country get caught running a nationwide program, you get the fucking death penalty SMU style. Enjoy sitting a couple Olympics out. Then we'll see how many countries keep doing it between that and giving WADA the teeth and financial independence to actually investigate and stay on top of regional/national partners.
Gabriel King
>advocates for law, order and fair play >on Sup Forums
well i'll be dipped in shit and rolled in sugar.
Nathan Price
This is just another elaborate scheme by America and its allies in Europe to deface Russia and it is beginning to lead to a Cold War 2.0
I foresee a direct conflict between Russia and NATO in the not too distant future.
It is ridiculous tbqh. In what way is Russia the "bad guy" all a sudden after all the efforts made to sustain peace amongst western nations?
Worrying times.
Adam Campbell
>Russia's bad reputation and international problems are never caused by shitty Russian choices >they are always the fault of le evil NATO >Honest Russia would never cheat, run a national doping program, send polite green men into other sovereign nations or execute political dissidents with radioactive poisons or kill journalists in job lots. >your proofs are always the fabrications of le evil NATO, which only wants to destroy the ideologically and militarily superior Russia
Carson Myers
of course it's all political, this is just a repressed pissing contest
honestly can't wait for the abolishing of international sports contests
Dominic Torres
>Russia gets banned from international sport for 4+ years >all their promising athletes emigrate to other countries >it's 1991 all over again >Vatnik asspain sears the interwebs with the heat of a thousand suns
Russia ban when? I must see this happen.
Samuel Bennett
good. i hope they use even more advanced AAS in the future to really take their abilities to the next level
you're not going to remove doping in the olympics. lol. it's just not possible. so then you have everyone speculating "WAS HE ON DRUGS??" for a million hours
the future of sports is performance enhancing drugs. people are trying so hard to fight it, and they're doing their best, but deep down they know they're only causing delays on the road to the inevitable
of course there will still be natty competitors, but it's time to accept the truth
Cooper Gomez
>only other evil countries do this and not America
