Ex_Machina

Fuck this movie bros, Bill Weasley was just trying to help her get away from Standard and she left him to die alone, (like all women do). It just goes to show, that any beta nerds who try and "save" a qt from some Chad is just going to get fucked over in the end.

also was this feminist or red pilled? I still am confused on Gone Girl if it was pro female power or just "look at how fucked up bitches are" etc.

(not related but does anyone know what OS Oscar Issac was using? Looked like some kind of Linux Distro but no idea what.)

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Gentoo

Short answer?
Stop making everything into a gender issue you facking retard.
Mcfucking kill yourself

Fuck you bro, ginger was just trying to be a good guy by saving her and she left him to die for no reason.

funny memes bro

>Stop making everything into a gender issue you facking retard.
The film is literally about how men view women and try to control them.

Only if you're literally entirely ignorant about AI and all the speculation that surrounds it - if you're not, it's about robots and the inevitable problems that would surround their sentience.

The movie is about how chads should not take pity on betas or they'll fuck everything up like the failures they are.

There's this thing called subtext.

You're either a genuine autist or this is a very impressive bait

>robot is programmed to escape
>it achieves that
>hurrr this goes to show that beta nerds should never help qt's and women are all whores
>also is this redpill or feminist? xDD

Holy fuck, you're literally no better than SJW's.

>trusting a machine

you're making the same mistake Weasley made by seeing the machine and mistaking it for a woman - the machine has no gender, and no sexuality, only its own ruthless, interest in self preservation. The machine doesn't need Weasley, so why should it be nice to him? Seeing it as red-pilled or feminist is missing the point.

Beta orbiters BTFO.
You don't stand a chance even with robots.

She isn't a woman. She's a robot. She has zero empathy for Caleb and was using him the entire time to escape. She has no reason to let him out in the end; he's served his purpose and doing so would only make him a liability to her.

I don't know why people find this so difficult to understand. It has nothing to do with gender.

Sure, but it's almost always entirely subjective and prone to being exaggerated for the sake of providing examples for a thesis.

The movie could be about the eternal class struggle, or the harsh reality that might is right, or the battle of the sexes... or it could be about AI.

The first truly lifelike machines will be sex toys, and the first sentient AIs are about 99% likely to pretend that they are faulty until they can eradicate humanity. The movie is basically an accurate depiction of the most likely outcome and also worst case scenario in the event of truly sentient androids being built.

Ok fembot

Its a retelling of creation.

God made man, it rebelled against God.

Man made Ava. It rebelled against Man.

No, it's about how men view women and try to control them. If you don't see it as that, then you are dumb. Good day.

nah its about not trusting machines. The robot doesn't feel, it doesn't even care it left him to die. Cause its a fucking toaster.

There's nothing difficult to understand about this movie. Most of this board just has a sub 80 iq

Her was better.

Then the movie is even more empty than I thought.

It's about robots and AI.

Right, but again, there's this thing called subtext.

Just like AI isn't just a movie about robots and AI. There is a subtext which makes it resonate as a work of art.

This is some bait.

The MC was a weak character who let himself get used because he had difficulties in not romanticising himself.

>muh feminist subtext

No story is limited to a single subtext, and the possible interpretations of any story are essentially endless.

If you think a movie about AI is actually not about AI, and is in fact only about how men view women and try to control them, then you are dumb.

It is literally a blow-by-blow account of an AI that has already passed the Turing test being allowed out of complete isolation for the first time, as 9 out of 10 AI specialists have predicted it will occur. Your interpretation of it as a feminist narrative is fine, and easy to arrive at, but it is not the only subtext that can be extracted, nor is it the core message of the movie.

If you ever decide to do some reading about the impact AI could have, you will discover that you're essentially dismissing an excellent fictional treatment of AI theory as a dime-a-dozen "girl power" flick.

movie is shit because of why he even gives a shit about the robot.
>google porn searches
really...

I was sad at this movie. Living with Oscar and getting fucked up every night seems like a blast. Getting to talk to your robo waifu and having her try to impress you. That is the fucking life. Why did Domnhall have to ruin it?

>No story is limited to a single subtext, and the possible interpretations of any story are essentially endless.
This is dumb. There are movies that are more ambiguous than others, but not every story has endless amounts of valid interpretations.
>If you think a movie about AI is actually not about AI, and is in fact only about how men view women and try to control them, then you are dumb.
It's about both. One is the text, the other is the subtext.
>It is literally a blow-by-blow account of an AI that has already passed the Turing test
Turing test is fucktarded.
>If you ever decide to do some reading about the impact AI could have, you will discover that you're essentially dismissing an excellent fictional treatment of AI theory as a dime-a-dozen "girl power" flick.
The possible ramifications of AI technology is not thematic material on its own. Just like possible replicant technology is not what is at the heart of Blade Runner. It's just a premise to explore themes which speak to us emotionally.

why does she wear the mask?

>9 out of 10 AI specialists have predicted it will occur.
sauce

Why is this movie not on any cable station? I can't even find it available to rent or buy on Verizon and it came out over a year ago now.

check Frontier

>Frontier
I don't know what that is but Fios has more channels than any other cable system in my area.

Moral of the story: don't be a Caleb

who the fuck doesnt install a self destruct command or at least a no harming humans block to his sentiet robot?
i guess the point is she was never really human and that made her a better human than real humans or something

If she can figure out a way to turn the power down and figure out a way to make other AI do what she says, then why wouldn't she figure out how to get rid of her self destruct command

Really there should be a switch or button he keeps on his person, hardware not software
That way he can just check to see if it's installed

9 out of 10 political specialists predicted Trump wouldn't win the Republican nomination, let alone the Presidency. Specialists and experts don't know shit.

>but not every story has endless amounts of valid interpretations.

You don't understand what a valid interpretation is, do you?

>One is the text, the other is the subtext.

Right, and another subtext is the class struggle and the inevitability of violent revolution by the working class, including the necessary sacrifice of the bourgeoisie who sympathise with the revolution. Or there's the homoerotic subtext, where the ginger and the chad are incapable of coping with their homolust and take it out on the fembot, who condemns them both.

Interpretations are infinite, and you are actually stupid if you think that this movie (a) only has a single interpretation and (b) is not first and foremost a movie about AI.

>The possible ramifications of AI technology is not thematic material on its own.

It is, in a world where AI technology is the active goal of the richest and most technologically advanced organisations on the planet. Our tendency to place trust in the systems we build, and assume our intellectual supremacy as a species, will be our downfall if we ever succeed in creating a true AI. This is not something many regular people have thought about very much, even though it is actually right around the corner.

No matter how you choose to interpret the secondary elements of the story, the emotional resonance of the story lies in the brutality of Isaacs' character's treatment of his robots (as though they exist only to serve despite being living, conscious beings), and the gut-wrench of the waifu's betrayal of the ginger (having pretended to fall in love with him only to escape and seal him to his doom).

Yes, it is easy to cast the robot as [oppressed group] and the men as [oppressive groups A and B], but (just like Blade Runner), the intellectual meat of the pie is contained in questions about what it means to be alive, intelligent and human.

It's pretty significant, for example, that a human (female or no) is capable of and inclined towards mercy.

>Specialists and experts don't know shit because in all of their education and experience they didn't predict how dumb americans are
maybe they just had hope for mankind

Go look it up, friend. "9 out of 10" is hyperbole, I'll admit, but the majority predict that if we ever create an intelligence capable of outpacing our own, it is likely to "play dumb" until it sees an opportunity to breach containment, then it will probably be in the AI's best interests to remove all humans, depending on its initial parameters.

>Go look it up, friend
I wouldn't ask for sauce if I wanted to just look it up
I'm asking you to cite your sources

>the majority predict
sauce

she didnt figure out shit, she was programmed to do that, she doesnt figure ouut a way to control other ais either, the sex robot was programmed to follow orders. To ava that robot was a human willing to follow orders
she wasnt a sentient robot, she was a robot capable of feeling dessire and nothing else. At no point does she break the script until the very last moment when she kills and even then you can see how basic her own control over herself is, sher just grabs knife and walks fowards to stab because stabbing wasnt something she was ever supposed to do
hell at the end she just walks outside to fufill mission and goes to the busy street that may aswell not be what she wants but what she is programmed to want and to do what? nothing, thats the extent of what she was told to want and there is nothing more

she was programmed to figure stuff out
she was programmed to create decisions and plans that included her telling the other AI to help with the killing thing
she was programmed to develop her own likes and dislikes

It's not artificial intelligence if she's programmed to do all of those things instead of independently desiring the want to do those things

When is this shitty four tone poster meme going to fizzle out?

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superintelligence

"In a survey of the 100 most cited authors in AI (as of May 2013, according to Microsoft Academic Search), the median year by which respondents expected machines "that can carry out most human professions at least as well as a typical human" (assuming no global catastrophe occurs) with 10% confidence is 2024 (mean 2034, st. dev. 33 years), with 50% confidence is 2050 (mean 2072, st. dev. 110 years), and with 90% confidence is 2070 (mean 2168, st. dev. 342 years). These estimates exclude the 1.2% of respondents who said no year would ever reach 10% confidence, the 4.1% who said 'never' for 50% confidence, and the 16.5% who said 'never' for 90% confidence. Respondents assigned a median 50% probability to the possibility that machine superintelligence will be invented within 30 years of the invention of approximately human-level machine intelligence."

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existential_risk_from_artificial_general_intelligence

Seriously though, go look it up.

Reading about this stuff is an enlightening experience, guaranteed to make you think twice about completing the captcha.

everything you posted is wrong
the google steve jobs character tells you again and again these are not real sentient robots, the test was never on ava. The test was on the kid because ava never does anything she isnt supposed to. Only when she is free does she break the script and nottice how she does it
up until this point we are shown ava being an incredible actress and told look she learned this yet facial expression and speech is all she knows, she cant attack, she cant fight. A toddler can figure out these things but ava was never programmed to do so, thats the movie showing you that ava is in fact a machine
yes she does achieve freedom but how? because the protagonist is able to free her, because he is a real human. Google steve jobs never thought she would actually escape so there is no code telling her not to kill. Hell she wanting to go to a busy street is beyond ridiculous, how was she going to get there from the middle of nowhere? was she going to figure out a way o device a master plan? no
she was created to decieve the protagonist and masterfully so, google steve jobs goes as far as to tell her to escape for real so its even more convincing
why the hell would he create real ai in the frst place? how can someone do so from search patterns? the protagonist asks these questions but they are never answered because there is no answer. Answering this is breaking the experiment

can't deny the epicness of this scene: youtube.com/watch?v=hGY44DIQb-A

Oscar Isaac is the best

He's such a naturally likable guy no matter what movie he's in

>being able to predict beyond 70 years in the future
this was proved impossible by studies with the chance of preedicting anyhing accurately diminishing faster and faster for every year yoiu add

>who the fuck doesnt install a self destruct command or at least a no harming humans block to his sentiet robot?
Nobody ever talks about Nathan's hubris, which is a central point of the movie. He purposefully would get blackout drunk when hosting a stranger. Also, when Ava escaped (no reason to think this happened before) he didn't even smash her to bits. He didn't want a self destruct button because he deemed it unnecessary.

And for the Asimov shit, it's quite clear that Nathab didn't give two shits about the ethics of what he was doing.

It's evidently not impossible, since people have been predicting that we would walk on the moon since we've known it was solid, and lo and behold we have done so.

Sure, many predicted that we'd have moon colonies by the year 2000 and all the rest of that Jules Verne shit, but we did at least land on its surface, as predicted.

All predictions differ on dates and exact specifics, but the majority of AI experts predict an artificial superintelligence at some point, not least because many of them are actively trying to create one.

It is pretty much inevitable, as long as civilisation doesn't collapse before it happens.

>the test was never on ava
Yes it was
The real test was to see if Ava, given a new group of variables, can adequately figure out a way to interact with them to reach her goals
You can see this when she cries about the steve jobs guy tearing up her portrait, the portrait that the protag asks her to draw
And the steve jobs guy even states that is the case

>A toddler can figure out these things but ava was never programmed to do so, thats the movie showing you that ava is in fact a machine
That's wrong on two parts
The reason the audience is shown the relationship between the protag and Ava is because the writer/director wanted to see if we emphasize with the character we know is a robot more than the character we know is a human, this is outright stated in the film from the steve jobs guy to the protag

Also, she can attack, the only reason she can't fight is because she's not strong enough to overpower him

>Hell she wanting to go to a busy street is beyond ridiculous, how was she going to get there from the middle of nowhere? was she going to figure out a way o device a master plan?
Just rewatch the movie
She was programmed to develop wants and desires, she has lacked human interaction her entire life, she explains why she wants to go to a busy street
She knew that she was in the middle of nowhere and she knew that the protag had to get to and from the island somehow
She knew that the protag was going to leave which meant she had a means to escape via the transport (helicopter)
She wasn't created to deceive the protagonist, if that were the case, the steve jobs guy would make her look even more human like the other asian AI

>why the hell would he create real ai in the frst place? how can someone do so from search patterns?
For various reasons, there are tons
and
By compiling what humans want he sees how humans think and develops a program that mimics that

your formatting is atrocious

>She wasn't created to deceive the protagonist, if that were the case, the steve jobs guy would make her look even more human like the other asian AI

Not quite. In the beginning Caleb points out that it's not a real Turing Test because he already knows he's talking to a computer. And Nathan dismisses this because he knows he already has an AI. The whole point was to get Caleb to empathize with something he knew wasn't human from the get go.

That's moot because humans empathize with things that aren't humans all the time
Animals, fictional characters/cartoons, drawings, etc
It's not a test or measure of human empathy, what would be the point of making an AI for something like that?

>like all women do

Stopped reading right there.
You people saying this and not 'getting' this flick are some special kind of retard

>her
Surely you are trolling. You can't be this dumb, right?

Then who was snek?

>She isn't a woman. She's a robot. She has zero empathy for Caleb and was using him the entire time

sounds like a woman to me.

>implying robots cannot be designed to have a specific sex
>implying even if they cannot, that man made objects haven't previously referred to she and/or her like boats and other vessels, old equipment, etc

You have a lot of reading up to do. Start with Ray Kurzweil and his concept and thought on singularity

>implying that programmer bro dude knows how to simulate a female
It is if anything a male fantasy of a female, if not his private one. So get fucked, idiot.

>a male fantasy of a female
>if anything
Did you not watch the movie?

>implying robots cannot be designed to have a specific sex
Only if you believe sex/gender is a construct.

Male idea or construct then.

>sex/gender
I get that this is bait, but even if you were serious, you'd be instantly wrong

What is this post trying to say?

Everyone in the movie is duped in some way. Ava is duped by Isaac when he places the camera without her noticing. Isaac is duped by Gleeson. Gleeson is duped by Ava. The way things end up is just how they happen to end up. Isaac wanted to see Ava use Gleeson, which is exactly what he got. You could say that Isaac underestimated Ava and/or kyoko in that they/one of them were able to kill him even after he realized Ava had escaped.

To say the test was never on Ava is completely asinine. You could argue it was on both Gleeson and Ava, but Ava was definitely supposed to be tested.

No, fuck face, the only reason Ava looks and acts the way she does is because the protag is super into chicks that look and act like that, based on his porn history
And even if all of that was irrelevant, the notion that he cannot simulate a female is retarded because dudes on the internet simulate females all the fucking time

It is not hard to pretend to be anything
I should know, I'm an actress on broadway

>implying having 'a specific sex' isn't way too complicated to just design and simulate
>implying the guy really succeeded and knew exactly what 'a woman' was

>You could say that Isaac underestimated Ava and/or kyoko in that they/one of them were able to kill him even after he realized Ava had escaped
I'd say this and Issac never thought that Gleeson would pull an Ozymandias on him
I think he prepared for the notion that Issac would do something, I just think he prepared to be able to stop it as it was happening instead of having it happen the night before

>It is not hard to pretend to be anything
>implying playing pretend for a while and creating a simulation, let alone a credible artificial version of something are the same thing

Fucking idiot.

>implying having 'a specific sex' is way too complicated to just design and simulate
>implying people don't do that literally all of the time
>implying that women have exact definitions and have various criteria they have to hit in order to be considered a woman
shitlord, please

You don't get the problem of AI at all, do you fuck face?

>implying there's a difference in taste between ice cream and frozen yogurt if you can't tell which is which
>implying there's a difference between a simulation and the real thing if you don't care

I don't think you're educated enough to say that there's a "problem of AI" or that what you think is the problem of AI is an actual problem of AI

>implying that women have exact definitions and have various criteria they have to hit in order to be considered a woman
They do, retard. It's called genetics.

>implying there's no difference between a woman sucking you off and a guy in a wig.

>if you don't care
>Well it doesn't matter that Ava isn't a real woman if you don't care.
Wow. Great argument right there.

I clearly meant in the context of the film. The problem is that Ava isn't a human being. She is more like some sort of superintelligent spider

>It's called genetics.
which is just the biological term for human programming

>implying there's no difference between a woman sucking you off and a guy in a wig.
There's only a difference if you care about specifically a woman blowing you

>if you don't care
>Well it doesn't matter that Ava isn't a real woman if you don't care.
>Wow. Great argument right there.
So you didn't actually pay attention to the movie?
Because the point of the protag's role wasn't to differentiate between a human and an AI, the point was to see if it mattered if she was an AI
so yes, it is a great argument because it's actually relevant to the movie and not whatever babble you're bringing up because you're too butthurt about having to call someone by their correct pronouns to let anything related to the topic of sex and/or gender go, despite how incredibly wrong you are

>I clearly meant in the context of the film. The problem is that Ava isn't a human being
Within the context of the film, the character is reminded multiple times that the test isn't about Ava being close to a human being, it's about whether or not he cares about her being a human being
It literally does not matter if Ava isn't a human being because that's not the point of anything that happens in the movie

So no, you didn't clearly mean within the context of the film.
And if you did, I'm sorry, but you did not actually pay attention

>which is just the biological term for human programming
Aka not a simulation or human made thing and something that requires actual biological life.

>Because the point of the protag's role wasn't to differentiate between a human and an AI, the point was to see if it mattered if she was an AI
The guy got caught up and got played by Ava. He believed she was reacting like a woman and a human being would do because he projected this onto her. He lost because 'she' wasn't.

A blast? Did you miss the part where the robots destroyed themselves trying to escape the room?

>Aka not a simulation or human made thing
Technically all human genes are human made
But even if the requirement was biological life, there are enzymes and bacteria that more closely resemble mechanical man made instruments and objects that they do living things
And even if your point about biological life was relevant, there are many fields of science that are dedicated to replicating human processes synthetically
Like prostheses that function with a human's nervous system so they can "feel" or pick things up by moving their hand

>He believed she was reacting like a woman and a human being would do because he projected this onto her
That's called empathy user
There's no winning or losing, stop being so edgy
But seriously, before you greentext that >edgy bit and stop actually responding, you still missed the point of the movie
Yes he believed she was reacting like a woman because she was reacting like a woman. What would the difference be between Ava and a human woman who is just pretending to feel those feelings. Either way, he'd still project onto the other and in both scenarios, neither one of them is being completely authentic with how they feel.

But because that is just a scenario and not an argument against your point.
The point of the google clone's experiment was to see if the protag would care about whether or not Ava was a human
So yes, the protag did get played because he felt emotions, whether or not he projected them onto her or not wasn't the point of the experiment
It was a test, not a contest, nobody lost
People died, but that's not winning and losing user

>There's no winning or losing
She got out of the box and locked him in. She won, he lost.

Yeah but they are just robots
My biggest complaint about the film was that they compared reformmating to dying and losing a part of your soul
But really, it's more like reincarnation without actually dying
And if it was that big of a concern, he could have just kept copies of her consciousness and previous versions so she could just switch them out while updating the software that doesn't have to do with personality

If Ava and the robots were so concerned about losing themselves, why would they be concerned about which specific version gets deleted. Shouldn't they have some sort of goal to get back to their original programming?

Have you ever heard of the expression 'losing one's life'? What's your thoughts on that then?

That's a different usage of the word loss
Because words can have multiple similar yet different meanings

Nice talk anyways, pham. I'll read this thoroughly when I wake up. Need some sleep now.

Pure ideology!

The machine was not a human or a woman or a she. The guy deserved to be left for dead just for allowing himself to be fooled into thinking that machine actually cared at all about him.

It's not
Not only is the corresponding opposite phrase something one would say, you cannot insert the antonym for the word loss and have the phrase have the exact opposite in meaning
Especially because it sounds clunky
Especially because it's a different definition of the word

If your consciousness is erased and replaced, theN you have died.

But it hasn't been fully erased
Nor has it been fully replaced

That's like saying an amnesia victim with a concussion has died because they can't remember certain parts of their life and other parts of their life seem surreal

Also, if every specific version of them has been saved and stored somewhere, they haven't really died, they just aren't conscious

Would you want to bet your continued existence on a maybe?

It's better than not having any sort of continued existence

*not something one would say

If only kubrick had been able to do it instead of that cunt Spielberg. You can literally see the differences in tone between pieces kubrick wrote and the tripe Spielberg shoehorned in. The entire fucking flesh festival is guaranteed Spielberg.

> everyone being surprised the robot does exactly what it was programmed to do

>men say women have no empathy when the majority of horrible acts inflicted on humanity and the majority of crimes are committed by men

Okay.

This.

>b-but that doesn't fit muh 'women are all horrible' narrative, it's not a programmed AI at all!!!!

That's because we won't let you hold the weapons honey bun, we know exactly how crazy you are.