>Please tell me this shit isn't true from a working class/student perspective.
>shit ton of paid vacation as a worker >relaxed work environment >no standardized testing in public schools >free healthcare >they serve real food instead of the prison grade food we get here in public schools. >little to no private education >no tuition in higher education >Taxes are itemized on pay stubs indicating percentages. >this is just a few things I noticed and I have only been watching this shit for 30 minutes.
Is it a misrepresentation of reality on his part? If it is not I kinda feel like I got ripped off.
tl;dr is Michael Moore full of shit, or does Eastern Europe provide a better standard of living as a whole?
The only thing I learned, to my horror, was that German students have to go through a daily brainwashing session where they are taught to feel shame over WW2.
Mason Wood
>>shit ton of paid vacation as a worker 30 days forced vacation a year, yes >relaxed work environment depends where you work obviously >no standardized testing in public schools bullshit >free healthcare yeah, but you sometimes have to wait months in advance to just get a simple checkup. and its often better to just go to a private clinic. >they serve real food instead of the prison grade food we get here in public schools. not as fatty as usa but shitty cheap food that you have to pay for >little to no private education there is >no tuition in higher education true >Taxes are itemized on pay stubs indicating percentages. I think so.
Christian Smith
>DUDE IF WE INSTITUTE ECLVERY SINGLE SOCIALIST AMD FEMINIST POLICY POSSIBLE THEN AMERICA WILL BE A LITERAL PARADISE AND THERE WILL BE NO NEGATIVE REPERCUSSIONS WHATSOVER EUROPE HAS NO PROBLEMS AT ALL NO I AM NOT INCREDIBLY NAIVE LMAO
Henry Scott
I'm from Herzegowina, SE Europe:
>shit ton of paid vacation as a worker Yes, I get 3 weeks per year plus a shitload of holidays with prolonged weekends.
>relaxed work environment Only if you work for government, otherwise you're fucked and don't think you'll ever come home before 5 or 6.
>no standardized testing in public schools Bullshit.
>free healthcare Nah, not even close, they tax me 100€ per month for healthcare, and you still have to pay for surgeries and shit, you still have to pay participation, not to mention you have to wait for a long time if you're not connected.
>they serve real food instead of the prison grade food we get here in public schools They don't serve food in public schools, lmao, kids eat in bakeries.
>little to no private education Not true, it's just that no one gives a shit about private schools because the perception is "private schools = bought diplomas", and it's kind of correct, private schools are for lazy hacks.
>no tuition in higher education Haha, lmao, fuck off Michael Moore. Government pays for 15-20% of great students, that's it.
>Taxes are itemized on pay stubs indicating percentages. I don't understand this, tbqh.
Fuck Moore, that fat libfag commie.
Jonathan Kelly
>they are taught to feel shame over WW well, they should.
Julian Adams
>>Taxes are itemized on pay stubs indicating percentages. >I don't understand this, tbqh.
On my Pay stub it only has 2-3 itemized things.
He was saying that where the money actually goes is itemized in Europe.
Meaning the percentages are shown rather than just FDIC, medicare, ssc etc. They actually tell you where your money is going.
It was a shitty thing, but I don't see the sense of being ashamed of something you didn't take part in. I find it nonsensical to apologize for something that you had nothing to do with. Given i would never participate in things like that, you cannot punish me or make me feel bad for some shit I didn't do.
Who let it out of the cage again, too much cruise, not enough control.
I am about half way through the documentary, and so far i think there is 'some' truth to what he is saying, but at times it seems that he is harshly embellishing and exaggerating to further his point. I don't think he is beyond being intentionally misleading is what I am getting at.
Owen Barnes
>does Eastern Europe provide a better standard of living as a whole? no
t. eastern european
Isaiah Parker
You got screwed over, you should probably head over to the paradise that is eastern Europe
Jacob Sanders
Youth unemployment in Western Europe is, what, 30-35%?
Also, those countries are still 85%+ white. Our blacks and hispanics would be a black hole of social spending
Adrian Fisher
LMAO
As someone from Eastern Europe, I can tell you he's so full of shit it's literally not even funny.
Nicholas Campbell
>Thinking back at your 14 year old edgy self, worshiping this man
Asher Baker
>>little to no private education How is that a good thing?
Dylan Thomas
>pay 33% of my salary for """""free""""" healthcare >have to wait in line for 3 months to get a simple check-up I'd rather get health insurance and get quality service than this fucking shit.
Isaiah Ortiz
This. The United States wouldn't be able to keep up the same standards we have in Europe because like 33% of the population would abuse the system.
Gavin Martinez
Because the public education system is actually good? Remember: they don't have niggers.
Jonathan Edwards
We have gipsyes
Joseph Miller
Michael Moore is a bit too far left for my taste, but his documentaries are comfy as fuck.
Caleb Miller
>Remember: they don't have niggers.
Having arabs, pakis, gypsies and slavs is not any better
You americans act as if no other country have minorities at all
Henry Fisher
Meant for
Jace Smith
>Americans talking about shit they know fuck all about Ayu
Daniel Sanders
There's nothing tastier than liberals realizing what their dream society actually requires
Ryder Baker
What do you mean by Eastern Europe? Finland?
Gavin Morales
Shit like Michael Moore only exist in the USA. If he was in China, They would have executed him already.
Sebastian Thompson
From what I remember he didn't say that's how it is in Europe, he clearly stated that he is going to show the best parts of Europe. That he did. Europe is a big and diverse continent and asking "Is this how it is everywhere?" makes no sense.
That being said an average Western European (maybe even Southern and Central European) definitely lives a more relaxed and carefree life. Most American expats agree. There is a reason why they say Europeans work to live, Americans live to work.
Jack Wright
>does Eastern Europe provide a better standard of living as a whole? Eastern European here,Balkans to be exact. I came to say one word. L M A O
Christian Bell
I live in sweden and most almost all of those apply to here. inb4 lmao le cuck XD
Gabriel Cook
he has a message and it's a very simple one. the thing is if you really are curious you'd try to research his claims.
Joseph Barnes
hi ahmed
Benjamin Parker
Learn about it? Absolutely. Feel bad about it? Nah. Those kids had not a damn thing to do with ww2. Can't say I appreciate what happened to Native Americans but no one alive today had anything to with the Trail of Tears for example so I'm not going to start apologizing to any Indians I run into.
Joseph Gonzalez
OP you dumbass
majority of the countries in the movie are NOT in Eastern Europe
Italy = worker benefits France = school lunches Finland = education Slovenia = no college tuition Germany = work benefits Portugal = drugs are legal Norway = ?>> Tunisia = women shit Iceland = women shit
Dominic Thomas
>>shit ton of paid vacation as a worker "paid" vacation, sure. >>relaxed work environment Depends on job >>no standardized testing in public schools Depends on country and how you define standardized testing. >>free healthcare You pay for it through taxes and can opt to pay for better care in some cases. It's not "Free" >>they serve real food instead of the prison grade food we get here in public schools. This is true, however most of the shitty school food in the US is a more recent development. >>little to no private education Wrong. There is also nothing wrong with higher ed >>no tuition in higher education They don't pay for living expenses though and student living, for example in man Germnay, is often expensive, far from campus, and not covered entirely by government help. >>Taxes are itemized on pay stubs indicating percentages. Depends on country >>this is just a few things I noticed and I have only been watching this shit for 30 minutes. Michael Moore is a charlatan. You have to remember that most of the shit he's touting off are various policies of different countries. He will also NEVER mentioned the negative repercussions of this stuff.
Brandon Rogers
Who are you quoting?
Sebastian Sullivan
I know. They let the bad guys win.
Kayden Scott
>shit ton of paid vacation as a worker Yes. 30 days per year, plus up to 10 days more accumulated through the years. (when you reach 10 days you can't add more the "pool"). Far more if you work for the state. >relaxed work environment It depends. >no standardized testing in public schools. Nope, at least in Spain there're. >free healthcare. Yes, and not only in Spain, social security covers me in all the EU plus many other countries. Also we have access to several treatments from all the world. For example my grandma recieved a cancer threatment from the USA totally free (for us). Because of that private medicine can't charge you a lot so you can have a full private healthcare (no dentist) for around 400€ per year. >they serve real food instead of the prison grade food we get here in public schools. I don't know. >little to no private education Again it depends but no one ends a career with thousand of € in credit debts. >no tuition in higher education I don't know what's that so I guess not. >Taxes are itemized on pay stubs indicating percentages. It depends. > does Eastern Europe provide a better standard of living as a whole? If you study something usefull yes, undoubtly yes. My experience through the almost two years I worked in Miami was that, even if I was making around 40% more money I managed to save less than in Spain and my quality of life was simply awfull at pretty much every level compared to my (according to The Times) starving-broken-failed country.
That said... Is the system sustainable?
Nicholas Carter
>dude the economic and social systems used in a small european nation are way better than the ones used in our country which has literally 10 times the population lmao
Jose Collins
>Portugal = drugs are legal Goddammit. Drugs aren't legal, they're dercriminalized. Just means the cops won't arrest you for using or carrying if you have below a certain amount (it's around a weeks supply) of any drug on you.
Jaxson Russell
>Herzegowina >Europe Not on my watch Hasan.
Elijah Diaz
The USA have also a hundred times more natural resources then, let's say, Germany. A difference in size doesn't make the comparison per se illegitimate.
Robert Rodriguez
which is why you call in to get an appointment and not sit in near the reception like a mouthbreathing american
Austin Powell
Maybe the pants-on-head-retarded military budget has some relation too.
Who knows.
Nathan Hernandez
right, germany is a small nation now
i think this is just an excuse to not try something innovative which might benefit more than the few people who are already getting rich off the scheme that's been setup
Alexander Powell
I never understand the whole EU-Utopia thing push. What people fail to realize is that the culture of the US leads to some bad shit, but also some great shit. You don't have companies like google, amazon, apple, uber, or Tesla coming out of the EU because the government doesn't foster a culture that encourages the creation of jobs and businesses.
Kevin Hill
>to some bad shit, but also some great shit. haven't seen that many good things come out of america since the 70s
Evan Reyes
Tesla Space X Amazon Google PayPal Uber Youtube Skype
Actual products:
iPhone
Eli Morris
most of the companies you mentioned wasn't founded by americans
Angel Morales
>What people fail to realize is that the culture of the US leads to some bad shit, but also some great shit.
USA is now like 90% bad shit faggot.
I'm American btw.
Asher Garcia
>skype top kek, that shit was founded by a swede most of the other companies were founded by a russian and canadians
Carson Ross
>I never understand the whole US-Utopia thing push. What people fail to realize is that the culture of the EU leads to some bad shit, but also some great shit. You don't have companies like volkswagen, ferrero, daimler, shell, or Vitol coming out of the US because the government doesn't foster a culture that encourages the creation of jobs and businesses.
lol the companies you named aren't even top 10 of the world bruh. Google had like an 80 million revenues. That's literally peanuts in the world economy.
Matthew Barnes
>iPhone a piece of shit that isn't even the best the market has to offer anymore
Kayden Miller
Thank god with don't have any shitty orwellian company that keeps us under their leash 24/7.
Hudson Cruz
Wait what. I'm from Poland and I'd probably be better living in the USA. But honestly, there are some institutional things that work better in Poland i.e. the higher education is free.
Cameron Fisher
Google had 75 billion in revenue in 2015, faggot.
Jason Hughes
>Americans in charge of discussion economics
Xavier Morris
My bad. Yet, what was the profit margin?
Grayson Hill
>tl;dr is Michael Moore full of shit, or does Eastern Europe provide a better standard of living as a whole? "Eastern Europe" is not a place. Some places here like Finland (Which I'd call North instead) are pretty great, but there are also absolute hell holes.
For example, in Hungary, an American tourist got fined ~$500 for taking a few bites of a pizza roll he showed at the checkout in the mall and paid full price for like is expected. What makes this special is that nothing makes it special. This shit is the norm, and more.
Julian Rivera
>meanwhile Volkswagen made 3 times that Still not even top 50 or so. 80 billions aint much.
Parker Moore
>For example, in Hungary, an American tourist got fined ~$500 for taking a few bites of a pizza roll he showed at the checkout in the mall and paid full price for like is expected. >What makes this special is that nothing makes it special. This shit is the norm, and more. Even if this is true, it's obvious that the USA have most absurd laws and lawsuits in the word. I mean come on: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawsuits_against_God
Gavin Sanchez
>For example, in Hungary, an American tourist got fined ~$500 for taking a few bites of a pizza roll he showed at the checkout in the mall and paid full price for like is expected. I don't understand.
Elijah Clark
wait, what's your beef with bismarck's model of social security?
Levi Martinez
>Tourist is hungry >Goes into mall >Grabs a pizza roll >Takes a few bites on the way to pay >Shows at the checkout that he has a pizza roll >Pays for it >After this, store manager calls the cops because he ate (part of) the pizza roll before paying.
Elijah Rivera
>being hungry in Hungary
Jeremiah Howard
Oh I see. That's weird. But I guess it's more of a language barrier and the manager being an asshole than the general quality of life in Hungary. Anyway >pizza roll
William Peterson
>tl;dr is Michael Moore full of shit, or does Eastern Europe provide a better standard of living as a whole? Absolutely not. The OP is literally all lies.
It was very similar to what he describes before they forced capitalism on us though, in the late 70s and early 80s it was almost exactly like that. So maybe he's forever living in 1984 or something?
Now that we have glorious capitalism, it's pretty much the opposite of everything in the OP except for the people who are very well connected and from rich families that date back to the 90s and the war times, who were allowed to get rich and control all capital (and who were really the most powerful families in communism too).
For example "free healthcare" means that 1) you pay for it monthly out of your salary, 2) you have to wait for a year for a simple test/xray/whatever if you don't pay privately, 3) if you ever need surgery or anything it's expected to somehow pay thousands of euros somewhere if you don't want to die on the operating table, but if you're not connected enough you don't even know who to pay and how
Grayson Rivera
>or does Eastern Europe provide a better standard of living as a whole?
Evan Sullivan
There's no way that this ever happened, unless the American was doing something exceptionally obnoxious or was stealing something else. That's not the whole story.
Landon Russell
>For example "free healthcare" means that 1) you pay for it monthly out of your salary, 2) you have to wait for a year for a simple test/xray/whatever if you don't pay privately, 3) if you ever need surgery or anything it's expected to somehow pay thousands of euros somewhere if you don't want to die on the operating table, but if you're not connected enough you don't even know who to pay and how It also means there is no way your ever lose this healthcare. If you can't afford it, the state will pay so no clinic will ever refuse you without breaking the law.
Dominic Bennett
Who told you that? It's easy as fuck to lose it, you don't get it automatically no matter what. You have to pay monthly regardless if you're unemployed or employed or whatever, and if you ever forget to register a change of your status you're fucked. Unemployed people for example have to pay thousands of euros to others to employ them on a bullshit job occasionally so that they don't lose healthcare.
Julian Myers
Oh, I'm not questioning that America has some weird stuff. I was just giving an example of how things are not all sunshine and rainbows in the east. That being said, it was far, far better than American media made/makes it out to be.
>Language barrier a) The guy clearly paid for it. b) The American got a lawyer who explained this. c) I could also have brought up how it is literally against the law to be homeless, or any number of other fun facts. You can look the recent history up. A lot of interesting stuff's going on.
As far as I'm informed, the only "questionable" thing he did, was say "fuck it" hired a lawyer to take care of it for him and went back to America.
Charles Adams
>Not on my watch Hasan. Herzegowina are Serbs, he's fine.
Lucas Clark
>if you ever need surgery or anything it's expected to somehow pay thousands of euros somewhere if you don't want to die on the operating table, but if you're not connected enough you don't even know who to pay and how
Not really, the quality of the surgeries is not the issue. A lot of the times, the surgeons are the same, they work in both public and private sectors.
The major issue is the waiting lists.
Zachary Carter
Actually you were right, I apologize. I misremembered it, in actually it was the cost of the investigation that was ~$500, not the fine itself, he was let go on a warning, but it still cost him that much to get it over with.
Brandon Jenkins
>Serbs
Isaac Wright
>1) you pay for it monthly out of your salary, 2) you have to wait for a year for a simple test/xray/whatever if you don't pay privately, 3) if you ever need surgery or anything it's expected to somehow pay thousands of euros somewhere if you don't want to die on the operating table, but if you're not connected enough you don't even know who to pay and how Now this is a good definition of pulling things out of your ass, nice job user.
Dominic Flores
Norway
>shit ton of paid vacation as a worker Normally 25 days and then there are some national holidays too. >relaxed work environment No >no standardized testing in public schools We usually have to write our answers and not just check boxes, yes. >free healthcare Sure, a lot of long waiting lists though. >they serve real food instead of the prison grade food we get here in public schools. No. You have to bring your own food until high school. In high school you get the option to buy food at a cafeteria in the school. >little to no private education There are some. >no tuition in higher education True. You still need loans to live off of though unless you got money. >Taxes are itemized on pay stubs indicating percentages. No.
Henry Morales
Well that's government job:^)
Lincoln King
I am German. In Germany you can't lose healthcare. It's literally illegal.
Chase Smith
Well, good for you, I don't see how Germany is Eastern Europe except by demographics though.
Jeremiah Ramirez
It's illegal in Portugal, Italy and Greece too.
Caleb Myers
Just three words Steven: American prison population.
Thomas Garcia
Oh, are we talking about Eastern Europe? Eh I like you guys but some countries (Slovakia and Bulgaria) are still pretty much shit. Like Eastern Germany looked like in 1988 or something.
Ryan Bennett
Millionaire Socialist.
Andrew Baker
In the amerilard's defense, their prison sector is somewhat privatized.
John Torres
>>Oh, are we talking about Eastern Europe? Read the thread retard.
Ethan Evans
But not their justice system.
Bentley Martinez
Fuck you nigger. The general question was if Eastern Europe is a good place to live. No one else connected health-care to Eastern Europe but you.
Oliver Barnes
I did
Colton Perry
>triggered Bulgarian detected Bojko please.
Justin Perry
Might as well be, They have public elected judges in some jurisdictions, who the fuck knows who pays for those campaigns.
Jonathan Cooper
I am just saying. It is still the government who sends them to prison. So Americans going on about their freedom-loving government are pretty schizophrenic since the freedom they mean is almost exclusively economic.
Julian Wood
>"michael! aren't you part of the 1%?" >ignored
David Myers
Is it really funny though?
Kayden Perez
It's okay but the execution is bland.
Christopher Cook
>>shit ton of paid vacation as a worker True. Although compared to America's zero. >>relaxed work environment Relaxed attitude towards raising your wage too >>no standardized testing in public schools Depends on country >>free healthcare Of dubious quality >>they serve real food instead of the prison grade food we get here in public schools Not true >>little to no private education Untrue >>no tuition in higher education Depends on the country, level of education and how long you are studying >>Taxes are itemized on pay stubs indicating percentages True
Carter Mitchell
>"free" healthcare
This concept only exists in leftard delusions
In reality it's the job centre that pays for your healthcare if you are registered as unemployed
Ayden Turner
>>they serve real food instead of the prison grade food we get here in public schools >Not true Depends on the country or even the county.
Robert Butler
Yeah, well or the employer, or the state, or the commune etc.
Jace White
I went to a public school growing up in southern europe and it was horrible and full of gypsies and slavs, what the fuck gave you that idea
Thomas Smith
>So Americans going on about their freedom-loving government are pretty schizophrenic since the freedom they mean is almost exclusively economic. >since the freedom they mean is almost exclusively economic. You're a dumb socialist.
>1st amendment >2nd amendment >4th amendment All unique American political policies, which form the basis of a free society. If you consider Americans unfree, the runner-up is Nazi Germany.
Also, >low taxes >minimal government intrusion into the daily lives of people