Americans think that national socialism is the same as actual socialism

>Americans think that national socialism is the same as actual socialism

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Americans are dumb period

>Americans think
stopped reading there

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it helps poor people it is therefore socialist

>stupid euros think modern socialism is something to be proud off.

Extra stupidity points for dose who think social democracy is liberal and promotes personal freedom.

Your government also helps poor people so it's socialist.

Republican pundits are constantly pushing the idea that they are. It's dishonest and disgusting.

No shit it isn't the same. There's a big fucking reason for why I know that too.

>it's an americans don't understand that liberalism and socialism are different things episode
>it's a europoors don't understand that capitalism + welfare is not the same as socialism episode

??????really Mah niga

I've seen plenty of euros on here think that having a big welfare state is socialism.

Usually people who come from Sup Forums, quite often underage

>Americans think political alignments can be dumbed down to left and right

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I've seen many who support it call it socialism too though. Which really shouldn't be too surprising considering all the "socialist" parties in Europe that are just soc dem.

Find a way to do it without jacking up taxes massively.

>elects a literal meme who has done nothing while the economy continues to crumble

lol

>Americans think Communism and Fascism are the same thing because they're "authoritarian"

>They don't even question why they went to war against eachother in the first place

Leaf thinks he knows the difference, but instead he should realize he was brain washed.
Lear about "collectivism"
Come back whit an informed opinion.

watch this video faggot
youtube.com/watch?v=KbsQouWONS8

You need your brain checked

it is though, that's exactly what's wrong with it.

instead of promoting workers' rights and actual equality, it promotes identity politics, unbridled hedonism and global capitalism.

This. Funny how today's """""left""""" is just as capitalistic as the right.

Nice how does this invalidate what I was saying?
The guy is not refuting me but instead saying the same as I.
Commies and Fascists both deny the supreme sovereignty of the individual, it's basically an utilitarian or positivistic view of the world.

>implying national socialism has ever been tried

Americans think authoritarianism = fascism

That's why you often hear "Lefties are the real fascists/nazis" from Amerilards.

now I get it why there's a crazy canuck in every thread defending american retardation
you're a Sup Forums cuck who took the memes seriously

stop spending $600 billion each year on your military
done

This triggers the shit out of me honestly.

Yes but the majority of ppl are like mister Leaf. They go to school and if their daddy's rich they side whit the right and if they're poor they go to the left.
Meanwhile guys like Durão Barroso, start on MRPP which was extreme left Maoist party, and end up on Goldman Sachs.

It is. The state is redistibruting resources, in this case healthcare. How is that not socialist?

What did he mean by this?

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Are you baiting mate? Modern politics are like that. The more interventionist the state is, the more leftist it is. Not hard to understand.

halve the military budget, end tax loopholes and evasion. would still be the biggest military

it's not just Americans that think that, it's pure Liberal ideology

Why can't you agree that wasting taxpayer money like that is bad in both ways? So, your argument is that military spending is bad and therefore healthcare is good? That is dumb

National Socialism/Fascism is not all about Collectivism though. The National Socialists respect the individual in so far as his interests do not conflict with those of the Nation. In a communist regime on the other hand, there's no such thing as "individual," but only the working class. You literally cannot prove me wrong.

BRING OUR BOYS BACK

Socialist would be if every industry was state run. Hell, in the US the power and water companies are fun by the the state.

Reminder that this site was brigaded by actual nazi shills that quote is from an article from TWO YEARS ago. Notice anything weird in the last two years and prior?

They are both retarded athoritarian ideologies anyway. Same shit in the sense that the government has stolen your freedom.

So liberal means being taxed so the government build's huge military.
Wow I can't imagine what the opposite would be like...
Listen liberal was a moment to end up the royals totolitarism, Now the government has become the new royay entity, whether they spend the budget on weapons or not is unimportant.

>White Nationalism
>The Daily Stormer

>"Nazis"

Movement*

Not only Americans - it's often used as a strawman by the right-wing for the old "you're basically Hitler if you're a commie" discourse.

Even stupid shit like (any governmental help is socialism) is common among not only other spics but general world population.

>They are both retarded athoritarian ideologies anyway. Same shit in the sense that the government has stolen your freedom.

Fascism isn't an ideology though, it's a worldview.

fuck off

it's not a waste. all sensible states invest in the welfare of their people because it provides greater returns in the long run to have a healthy, productive workforce

>Nation interest above individual.

Hmmm go back to the jungle my friend.

That's not what I was saying

My point is liberal, bourgeois capitalists attack communism and fascism as the same because both seek to use violence. However, in a pinch, they'll prefer to back fascism. Especially small businessmen, but also industrialists like Krupp who backed Hitler.

good job, keep posting the disapproving frogs. Your anime pillow reward is on the way

Nice argument, my Moorish friendo. Truly showed me how bright you are.

>Socialist would be if every industry was state run.
No, that communism.
>Hell, in the US the power and water companies are fun by the the state.
Yeah no, those are called subsidies but don't completely fund the companies, just part of them so their prices are lower.
That is a socialist policy, and a bad one. There is a difference between pure capitalism and mercantilism wich is bad.

>The National Socialists respect the individual in so far as his interests do not conflict with those of the Nation.
Except a "nation" is an abstraction and thus not an actual thing capable of will. So the "interests of the nation" are actually the interests of the rulers - and those often conflict with the general interests of the population.

teste

There's little to say in response to this stupidity

Are u a baby bom fag?

If u want from cradle to grave services ur just puting debt on future generations.

I don't see how, with population control, thrift and proper planning, we couldn't provide for everyone

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Stormer
>The Daily Stormer is an American neo-Nazi and white supremacist news and commentary website.
good good, keep posting frogs

>it says it on wikipedia, that means it must be true

>From the same people who use White-supremacist/KKK/Fascist/White Nationalist interchangeably

>military budget
Even the American military's high command agrees that they could spend much less money annually. The previous Secretary of Defense tried to cut spending by cancelling orders for unnecessary ships and bombers and streamlining existing manufacturing but was rebuffed by fiscal """"""""""conservatives"""""""""" Congress.

Why? Because military spending is a giant jobs program for many states. Any Congressional representative who votes to halve the military's budget will get voted the fuck out of office, as many people in his district work for military contractors. This is also why manufacturing military hardware becomes so inefficient as ships are needlessly built in three different shipyards in three different states (or FORTY FIVE states in the F-35's case) with every Congressman trying to get a piece of the pie so he can go home and brag about "creating jobs". The hypocritical hicks in these districts bitch endlessly about "government waste" and the "exploding national debt" yet raise hell when someone threatens their gibsmedat jobs.

>OP tries to pin this on Americans
>a bunch of non American posters start defending the "American" position

Call it like you want, it still has the same effect.
You can make a similar argument on how having a strong military is a need. The thing is, the money you rightfully earned is being taken by taxes to do things without your consent. Life is tough but your argument is based in your feelings and not logic. More taxes means less freedom.

To start, your first assumption is completely wrong. You're essentially saying that when individuals come together they're incapable of coming to terms. Which is obviously false. Individuals will make very similar decisions when under the same historical forces. The fact that entire nations were mobilized and went to a world war twice, moved by nothing other than their sheer will to defend their respective countries, proves you wrong.

>the "interests of the nation" are actually the interests of the rulers - and those often conflict with the general interests of the population.
What you're describing can be many things (especially """Democracy"""), but not Nationalism. In a truly Nationalist regime the interests of the leader are synchronized almost perfectly with the interests of the Nation. It's called Nationalism for a reason. It's populist for a reason. A Fascist dictatorship literally cannot work without the support of the people. If it does, it's not Fascist, it's just an ordinary, usually commie-related, dictatorship.

Guys all the I'm saying is that left right its all shit.
Ur guys have the capacity to think for yourself so why have a bunch of fanatics taking decisions for what we can or not do whit our lives?
War its only possible cause states, be that war economic or whit guns.

this board would be pretty boring without someone trying to play doubles avocado

>Ur guys have the capacity to think for yourself
People shouldn't be allowed to do what they want. Most people are undeniably dumb. I mean, look at you.

Socialism is worker control of the economy, full stop

You play with the devil's testicles?

(Avacado means testicle in Mexican)

CHI

I SWEAR IM JUST A LINGUIST PLEASE DONT DEPORT ME

Too late, boy.

Trump will be overseeing your arrival to the shower promptly.

>To start, your first assumption is completely wrong. You're essentially saying that when individuals come together they're incapable of coming to terms.
No. I'm saying that a nation is nothing more than an abstraction, and thus the component individuals will have different agendas and interests. In ideal democratic circumstances, this is solved by voting either on the issues (direct democracy) or to delegate the decision (representative democracy), but this does not exist under national socialism, since it creates disagreement (something nazi see as "disruptive"). So this will be decided by leaders the population has no power over.

>Individuals will make very similar decisions when under the same historical forces.
Sure. And most of the time privileging one's own group to the expense of others. So if you have a group of rulers who are not democratically elected and they don't need to obey the population otherwise they get kicked out, guess what they do? They rule for themselves.

You have plenty historical examples for that, by the way - you don't even need to stick to Nazi proper, any other fascism will do.

That is communism.

>(You)

lel

I could write a wall of text right now but meh. Someday you'll see how wrong you are anyways. Keep believing in Democracy and personal """"freedom""""

I don't give a fuck.

Just drop it.
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Well, if you aren't in the mood for this kind of discussion, don't worry.

>tf when u got to defend something u know ain't worth...

Same thing

>banana
Well, time for a x-mico.

As much as I dislike both, there is obviously a difference.

Son Sup Forums is about Aryan philosophy that inspired ancient Greeks that failed in 2008 the year that it bite it in the back in d ass.

>Democracy fail

>Americans think countries that fought communism tooth and nail are communists

>Americans put people in prison for steroid usage but prescribe children medication like Adderall

Nah, communism is socialism without a state or market economy

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what the

Are we following Marx here? If yes:
Socialism = State-based economy; State under control of proletariat. Comes after Capitalism.
Communism = Anarchy with collective production means; no State. Comes after Socialism.

The soviet union had a Communist State.

No... the Union of Soviet _SOCIALIST_ Republics claimed to be a Socialist state ruled by a Communist party (i.e. a party that affirmed to defend communism).

No we are saying that we should abolish "isms" cuz we got stand up for our rights.
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Kill Yanks that are Zionists wherever u find them Billionaire fucks.

It was a state created with the purpose of establishing communism.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism_in_20_years

This obviously failed.

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