Why is the United States incapable of making good electronic music?

Why is the United States incapable of making good electronic music?

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Why is the United States incapable of making good music?

Too fat fingers for using that electronic equipment

The US' obsession with profits over quality, makes them incapable of producing anything other than the blandest shit possible, to pander to the lowest common denominator.
in other words, the US makes music for people who don't even like music.

>electronic
>good

Let's not lie

I bet OP only listens to EDM and IDM rofl.

.

You're repressed.

meme

Ahem

fuck you AntiWarhol

too triggered to let go

meme

>the US is one person

Jay J Dilla Dee - Donuts, try again

Anamanaguchi

try again user

You don't happen to have heard of Karlheinz Stockhausen, Xenakis, Edgar Varese, Terry Riley, Klaus Schulze, Cluster or Brian Eno perhaps? Not all electronic music is EDM.

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Prurient

Oneohtrix Point Never

Sound Tribe Sector 9

Moby

Clams Casino

Araabmuzik

go fuck yourself Nigel

>Clams Casino
>Araabmuzik

fucking lol
/thread this already

>ignoring the others

great argument queer

why is electronic music incapable of being good?

>implying Death Grips' Interview 2016 isn't one of the greatest electronic releases in years

fuck off eurosluts

>implying Detroit and Chicago didn't literally invent techno and house in the first place

Europoors are so fucking stupid

Jeff Mills

Robert Hood

The entire genre of Detroit techno

OP is a dumbass idiot cocksucker

>electronic music is only dance music

Retards

>Who are Kraftwerk and Giorgio Moroder?

YUCK

Synthpop artists

Why do you ask

youtube.com/watch?v=aTBSQKh8teE
best song

And not all dance music is cookie cutter festival shit

^deaf grapes
^anything but meme

Listen to Detroit techno you fool

Fuck off idiot

Please refer to:

>I'm a retard
ok

>And not all dance music is cookie cutter festival shit
If by that you mean waltzes, than I'd have to agree.

>Karlheinz Stockhausen, Xenakis, Edgar Varese
The guys who made sound collages and processed sounds which nowadays any kid with access to Audacity can recreate without flaw?

>Terry Riley, Klaus Schulze, Cluster or Brian Eno
The guys who did mediocre synth music back when synths were highly expensive and only a select few had access to them?

Wow, you sure proved him wrong user.

Go back to Sup Forums

What are you even on about? Those people were inovators. A kid "performing" in front of a crowd of intoxicated teenagers is not. Sure, you may be able to recreate what those people did now because of the advent of modern technology, but let's be real and not treat EDM like anything more than a piece of a product. Those people did it for the right reason - to push genres and music as a whole forward. I know how Scaruffi is regarded here, but these are not album reviews and these might give you an insight about my opinion of those musicians:
scaruffi.com/avant/cpt2.html
scaruffi.com/avant/cpt8.html

>scaruffi.com
Oh wow, you're actually serious.

Stop caring there.

Yes it is. EDM is all generic trash pushed by record executives. IDM is underground, boundary pushing "dance music" that strays from the conventions of build up, drop, repeat.

early electronic music was terrible shit that was made by people who had access to the technology, but lacked the talent. Your average EDM producer might be a hack but he still puts more effort into his cookie-cutter trash than people like Stockhausen who would record a sound then process it through a bunch of effects, and then treat this whole faux-artistic process as "music making". The actual innovators were the people who made the machines and the synths, not the hacks who would go on and exploit them.

Also Scaruffi is a fraud possessing an immature obsession with circus music. I suggest you avoid him from now on.

I made arguments before the link to his website. Funny how you ignored those.
>Sure, you may be able to recreate what those people did now because of the advent of modern technology, but let's be real and not treat EDM like anything more than a piece of a product
>Those people did it for the right reason - to push genres and music as a whole forward

accelerationism is an unhealthy thing m8

...

>Stockhausen and Varese lacked talent
I'm not sure if I should even take you seriously.
>Your average EDM producer might be a hack but he still puts more effort into his cookie-cutter trash
And you even admit that EDM producers are hacks and that they make cookie-cutter trash.
>The actual innovators were the people who made the machines and the synths, not the hacks who would go on and exploit them.
Great. And how many of those made music? And how many of those made music that would be remembered for years to come?

>but he still puts more effort into his cookie-cutter trash than people like Stockhausen who would record a sound then process it through a bunch of effects, and then treat this whole faux-artistic process as "music making".
Whoa holy shit you're fucking retarded. You should read more on the subject because this whole statement is just stupid. Electronic music was so simple and so erratic back then not because it was "made by people who had access to the technology, but lacked the talent" but because they were only still experimenting with what could be done with synthesis of sound and sound recordings. Check this out: youtube.com/watch?v=bwj6ZptPnDo

It's not about it being shitty or not, it's about people having no idea of what to do with it, it was until very later where they started assigning pitches to sound synthesis it and created a synthesiser that you could make music with. Electronic music back then was a super taboo (check your historic context you mongoloid) and nobody would've thought (apart from geniuses like Stockhausen) that those noises could have some sort of musical value.

So yeah you and your fancy stupid ass words can go fuck yourselves, retard.

Also
>process it through a bunch of effects

On second thought this might be bait

>On second thought this might be bait
Most likely it is. I also think that we're being raided by Sup Forums: , , 70657738. It's even worse on Sup Forums.

>Great. And how many of those made music?
some of them

>And how many of those made music that would be remembered for years to come?
it's not like people are going to remember Stockhausen in a vacuum (i.e. the same way they remember someone like Mozart), but as a reference point regarding all of electronic music (including EDM).

The people will remember the name of Moog, however.

>and nobody would've thought (apart from geniuses like Stockhausen)
wow and here I thought it was Luigi Russolo and his The Art of Noise manifesto promoting the idea as early as the 1910, but turns out I was wrong.

Cheers for the heads-up.

you sound really insecure in your position buddy.

>wow and here I thought it was Luigi Russolo and his The Art of Noise manifesto promoting the idea as early as the 1910, but turns out I was wrong.
How does that invalidate what Stockhausen did? And how is that a bad thing? You're not making any sense at all.
>The people will remember the name of Moog, however.
Clearly. And that's because people who played on Moog synthisizers helped to push music forward and create new sounds - Walter (Wendy) Carlos, Keith Emerson, Krautrock artists, etc.

Are we really conflating "EDM" with all of house and techno and shit now?

For fuck's sake.

It's not like any of those genres are anything more than pieces of products.

>How does that invalidate what Stockhausen did?
it doesn't, but it doesn't make him any more important either.

>You're not making any sense at all.
because you don't want to make any sense of it.

>And that's because people who played on Moog synthisizers helped to push music forward and create new sounds - Walter (Wendy) Carlos, Keith Emerson, Krautrock artists, etc.
funny you name drop these pop acts since coincidentally these pop musicians (granted, influenced by academia freaks like Stockhausen) have turned out to be more influential than the academia freaks themselves.

>all of house and techno and shit
all derivative pop shit created by record executives to make money off of suburban white kids doing "molly" at festivals
nothing remotely artistic or forward thinking about those genres at all

wow you probably get laid in parties a lot you fucking (stupid ass snob) nerd

>I have never listened to actual techno

Ok user

Same can be said for rock, metal, hip hop, funk, soul, pop and any other popular music genre.

Oh of course. They all pale in comparison to actual art music.
As far as popular music goes, most of those were for sure products first and foremost, but for popular music there was a decent amount of innovation by certain artists within each respective genre, rock and metal in particular.

With EDM this is not the case. Not only are "house", "techno", "jungle", whatever else indistinguishable from each other, but there is no true "underground" scene like there was with the aforementioned genres. There is no experimentation or innovation that goes on within these genres except when record executives try to shoehorn in elements of some other musical "style" that is popular in the mainstream in order to increase mass appeal.

>Anonymous 01/28/17(Sat)16:20:54 No.7066328
shut up nerd nobody likes you irl and nobody likes you here

>and metal in particular.

still quality bait on Sup Forums I see lmao

didn't know Sup Forums wasn't blocked at the retirement home

I'm at the Bingo hall with your mum, free Wi-Fi

>Americans actually believe that dance music doesn't extend beyond American bro-festival-core

stockhausen isn't even known primarily for his electronic music and no one is remembered in a vacuum. not sure who you're arguing is "better" than stockhausen, but his music is pretty good, so fuck off

>Walter (Wendy) Carlos
you're a dick

>it doesn't, but it doesn't make him any more important either.
Please educate yourself and learn something about the history of music you're discussing.
120years.net/
indiana.edu/~emusic/elechist.htm
britannica.com/art/electronic-music
>funny you name drop these pop acts since coincidentally these pop musicians (granted, influenced by academia freaks like Stockhausen)
How is one of the most important musicians in electronic musician bad for attending an academia? He went on to push a particular genre of music and music as a whole forward and not to rob and murder people. How is expanding your knowledge and attending a music academy a negative thing?
Pop acts? Walter (Wendy) Carlos a pop act? Please stop. We all know how great ELP's pop career turned out to be. Think Love Beach. They won't be remembered by their pop career, they would be remembered by Keith's use of the Moog synthisizer and almost classical sound, while being a (progressive) rock band. Kraftwerk made pop music later in their career and can't be said by many other krautrock artists. They also went on to influence ambient and progressive rock artists.

>stockhausen
>music
pick 1

>you're a dick
But why? I'm aware that we're probably being raided by Sup Forums and I tried not to """" offend """" any of them and derail any possible discussion that may occur, hence I mentioned "both names".

>Please educate yourself
>one of the most important musicians
>attending an academia
>music as a whole
>Walter (Wendy) Carlos

this is all just really embarrassing

Great argument. You sure proved him wrong now. If you're baiting, at least make it interesting or somewhat believable or funny.

>stockhausen isn't even known primarily for his electronic music
obviously but it's his electronic work we're arguing about right in this moment.

>and no one is remembered in a vacuum
that's debatable

>120years.net/
>indiana.edu/~emusic/elechist.htm
>britannica.com/art/electronic-music
how many of these did you bother glimpsing during the 10 minutes it took you to find them via google? just curious.

Great. Try to make an actual argument.

i mean i guess the Sup Forums thing is an excuse but you'd do yourself a favor by expanding your mind beyond the Great Men you're referring to (except Wendy) and trying to grasp music as a cultural phenomenon rather than a thing that can be moved forward and backward, music isn't telic, and nobody has ever been truly "great," and has only been remembered situationally

that being said, im on your side in this argument, but ddddddddd

i like larry heard

>im on your side in this argument
you guys are like Hitler and Stalin and I'm like Roosevelt, lol

In what god damn universe are they techno or house?

>liking edm
off yourself

What???

>stalin
>not a fascist
you ever studied musicology my dude? there's a big world out there

Stalin's stache was too cool to be fascist.

After disco died, dance music in america went underground, became more electronic, american blacks made techno and house, americans weren't interested at the time, euros embraced electronic music a long time ago, so they became bigger in yurop.
Around like the early teens for some reason millennials decided to embrace something called "EDM", watered down highly corporatized, music that sounds all the same.

So america is really bad at electronic music, like how brits keep trying to force british rap to be a thing but americans cant take a guy who sounds like a butler serious as a rapper

well yeah, his stache wasn't fascist LOL xD

Wow this is radically incorrect
I kekd at "there's no underground scene furthering experimentation"

WEW LAD

They're experimenting in finding new ways of making a profit.

Somebody's angwy

I know you're doing it on purpose and I'm not mad. Oh, and by the way, you're still not funny.

OOF

I don't even know where to start with this

Read a book my guy

It's true though. There's nothing geniune or legitimate about that style of "music" whatsoever. It's just a bunch of old industry insiders pulling the strings.

...

youtube.com/channel/UCvAlq-_Ynx1VrLmBIfboD4A

Right, because the kids are totally eating this shit up?
youtube.com/watch?v=ZLr52XxTfCc

Don't you fuckers get it?

The entire genre of electronica is commercial, all electronica is EDM, as it's objectively inferior/cheaper music. It's our degenerate plebeian Sup Forums that has tried to make us believe EDM is an "essential" genre and that if you don't like it you must be "narrow-minded", a "rockist" who listens exclusively to "twings and twangs" and there's probably some racial element to it too. EDM music has no staying power. All of EDM is just a neo-disco sub-genre of top-40 pop, with a "mechanical" paint job. This music doesn't stand the test of time, it's a fad. That's why EDM producers are discussed about like fashion. Image/fashion/numbers sold are actually considered when talking about them. EDM is just a really cheap/lazy form of music anyways. The majority of EDM beats are just stealing (MUHH "SAMPLING") another artist's music, looping it over a generic drumbeat while someone throws preset synths over it. The "technical aspects" of EDM are not hard at all. That's why there's 14 year old white girls on YouTube uploading themselves flowing with ease and speed, dropping multis like it's nothing. But because they don't fit the image of a "EDM fan", no one would take seriously. I've listened to it all from backpacker shit like Basic Channel and Deepchord to the "golden days" of Derrick May and Frankie Knuckles to revival stuff like Mall Grab and Delroy Edwards to the 90s with 4hero and Omi Trio to the CLT approved Mouse on Mars and Autechre to today like DJ Rashad and DJ Spinn. All electronica is EDM. All of it. Stop spamming it. Either keep it contained into one threads or request a containment board. I'm sick of coming on Sup Forums and seeing a million DJ Rashad threads (none of which are about music btw).

fuck thanks for this

>I'm sick of coming on Sup Forums and seeing a million DJ Rashad threads (none of which are about music btw).

There have been more threads about dance music in the last week with you spamming your pasta than there was for the last 6 months at any one time lol

Either this is a copypasta or you really actually believe that the only kind of electronic music is EDM

Also
>getting this mad about it

yes
sounds like cookie cutter untz untz untz shit to be
*drop the bass bro*

>Don't you fuckers get [my subjective opinion about an entire means of producing music]?
you can keep your stockhausen nerd

All music that is made to be "enjoyed" is garbage.

rateyourmusic.com/release/ep/basic_channel/quadrant_dub/
>Dub Techno
>Deep House
Totally not commerically successful genres. They're truly avant-garde and pushing music forward.