Thank you Sup Forums for convincing me to rewatch LOTR. I have not watched them in about eight years and thought they would not age well.
I was wrong. They've aged like a fine fucking wine.
>Perfect casting
>GOAT soundtrack
>Great action scenes
>Great drama and quiet scenes
>Perfect mixture of practical and CGI effects
>Those tears from "You bow to no one" scene
There will NEVER be films like these again.
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Why didn't Frodo just put the one ring inside a football and kick it to Mordor so nobody was tempted by carrying it?
Who here /watchallthreeeveryyearatChristmas/
I'm an OT Star Wars fan and LOTR grew on me.
I can commiserate with the other LOTR fans about the Hobbit films being CGI schlock.
Without a doubt.
Frodo isn't black yet.
The elves crafted the rings, right? Why not craft a box of the same qualities to seal the ring inside, so the only way to get it out is to toss the box into the fires of Mount Doom, which would destroy the ring as well?
celebrimbor crafted 19 rings for Sauron. Sauron taught him how to forge rings of power in the first place (and how to transfuse your own essence into them)
Seeing how they were crafted after Saurons design, Sauron also included a hook which allowed him to control all 19 ringbearers through the 20th, the master Ring, forged by himself.
originally all 19 rings were given as gifts to elven lords, but due to them sensing the essence of celebrimbor warning them, they pulled them off the moment sauron put his master ring on.
Then Sauron led a war to reclaim his property and got all but 3 rings back (carried by Elrond, Gandalf and Galadriel).
he then gave the reclaimed rings to the dwarfs and humans who were actually dumb enough to put them on.
TLDR: Tolkien can't write villains worth shit and should have left things more ambiguous.
How much better would the movies have been without the godawful "comedic" relief quips?
Kind of depressing desu
Lord of the Rings was about finding a shimmer of light in the darkness, and the silly quips helped ease the mood so it wasnt all doom and gloom.
The only thing i wouldve changed was having the ghosts not show up at Pelennor Fields and instead be the armies of Gondor.
I agree OP. One of the few cases where I prefer the movies to the books.
people like to bitch about how Jackson made Gimli into a joke but it was honestly kind of needed. I fyou look carefully he has some serious moments too, it's just most people who didn't pay attention/don't remember the films well only remember him for his little quips
I don't have a problem with quips in general (MCU does it well), but they were terrible in LOTR.
stop getting your info from fucking games,
Celebrimbor oversaw the forging of the rings done by multiple elven smiths (the Gwaith-i-Mirdain), they forged 16rings after Annatar left the smiths (including Cele) forged the 3 that were 'free of Saurons influence'
Annatar/Sauron went to mt doom and forged the One, the moment he put it on the elves who wore the 3 realized they we're tricked and took off their rings, not puting them back on until Sauron was defeated.
All this to say you obv have no idea what your talking about, please stop.
>they forged 16rings
oh and 'many lesser rings' basically practicing
so the elves took them off and the 9 men became the ring wraiths, what happened the to the 7 dwarves?
dwarves were 'hardier' and couldn't be controlled but the rings seemed to exacerbate 'bad' traits for the Dwarves they became really greedy hoarders, they kinda showed this 'badly' in the hobbit movies, but attributed to some made up 'jewel'
wat about dat rohan music though?
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Is it me or did the CGI get worse throughout the trilogy?
shit bait
arkenstone is straight from the books
tard
you haven't read them have you?
the arkenstone is just another jewel basically.
I'm talking about the whole 'dragon sickness' shit thats suppose to be caused by the 7, not some shiny rock.
Which incidentally was reburied after tBoFA
>tfw you'll never wander Beleriand in days of old.
GOAT scene youtube.com
I have nothing but good things to say about the original trilogy. I'll probably rewatch them again at some point, maybe when the weather gets comfier.
>Alas that these evil days should be mine.
>The young perish, and the old linger.
>That I should live to see the last days of my house
...
>No parent should have to bury their child
As powerful now as it was when it first showed in theatres
makes you wonder how the hobbit movies got fucked up so badly
Anyone here an extended edition fan? The theatrical cuts don't do it for me. I think the additional material really fleshes it out and smooths out the pacing.
Why didn't Gandalf just use his firework magic to launch the ring into the sun?
>Where now the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing?
>Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing?
>Where is the hand on the harpstring, and the red fire glowing?
>Where is the spring and the harvest and the tall corn growing?
>They have passed like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow;
>The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow.
Who shall gather the smoke of the dead wood burning,
Or behold the flowing years from the Sea returning?
only extended impossible to watch the theater cut,
Yes. I take a good 20 minute break half way through each movie though.
I didn't know it was possible to watch the theatrical cuts again after watching the extended editions
it isn't
The 19 were distributed to elves dwarves and men not just elves
Three for the elven Kings under the sky
Seven for the dwarf lords in their halls of stone
Nine for the Mortal Men doomed to die
One for the dark lord on his dark throne
In the land of Mordor where the shadows lie
The elves took the rings off but Elrond Galadriel and Gandalf still have them
The dwarves were too stubborn to be controlled and when the dragons attacker like 4 of their rings melted anyway
The men turned into ring wraiths
ive been wanting to get the extended cuts but i cant bring myself to spend that much for movies atm.. im just savoring it up, and not watching the movies at all until i finally get the extended versions
i'm just goig to go ahead and post my favortie scenes from the books
>Thus Gandalf softly sang, and then suddenly he changed. Casting his tattered cloak aside, he stood up and leaned no longer on his staff; and he spoke in a clear cold voice.
‘The wise speak only of what they know, Gríma son of Gálmód. A witless worm have you become. Therefore be silent, and keep your forked tongue behind your teeth. I have not passed through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man till the lightning falls.’
He raised his staff. There was a roll of thunder. The sunlight was blotted out from the eastern windows; the whole hall became suddenly dark as night. The fire faded to sullen embers. Only Gandalf could be seen, standing white and tall before the blackened hearth.
In the gloom they heard the hiss of Wormtongue’s voice: ‘Did I not counsel you, lord, to forbid his staff? That fool, Háma, has betrayed us!’ There was a flash as if lightning had cloven the roof. Then all was silent. Wormtongue sprawled on his face.
‘Now Théoden son of Thengel, will you hearken to me?’ said Gandalf. ‘Do you ask for help?’ He lifted his staff and pointed to a high window. There the darkness seemed to clear, and through the opening could be seen, high and far, a patch of shining sky. ‘Not all is dark. Take courage, Lord of the Mark; for better help you will not find. No counsel have I to give to those that despair. Yet counsel I could give, and words I could speak to you. Will you hear them? They are not for all ears. I bid you come out before your doors and look abroad. Too long have you sat in shadows and trusted to twisted tales and crooked promptings.’
They added it into more scenes in the later films, so you probably remember the almost comical cgi like the legolas elephant scene. The cave troll in fotr doesn't hold up that well.
>the cases have unique artwork and have minimalist design
>the hobbit extended edition basically just the movie poster
why
Slowly Théoden left his chair. A faint light grew in the hall again. The woman hastened to the king’s side, taking his arm, and with faltering steps the old man came down from the dais and paced softly through the hall. Wormtongue remained lying on the floor. They came to the doors and Gandalf knocked.
‘Open!’ he cried. ‘The Lord of the Mark comes forth!’
The doors rolled back and a keen air came whistling in. A wind was blowing on the hill.
‘Send your guards down to the stairs’ foot,’ said Gandalf. ‘And you, lady, leave him a while with me. I will care for him.’
‘Go, Éowyn sister-daughter!’ said the old king. ‘The time for fear is past.’
The woman turned and went slowly into the house. As she passed the doors she turned and looked back. Grave and thoughtful was her glance, as she looked on the king with cool pity in her eyes. Very fair was her face, and her long hair was like a river of gold. Slender and tall she was in her white robe girt with silver; but strong she seemed and stern as steel, a daughter of kings. Thus Aragorn for the first time in the full light of day beheld Éowyn, Lady of Rohan, and thought her fair, fair and cold, like a morning of pale spring that is not yet come to womanhood. And she now was suddenly aware of him: tall heir of kings, wise with many winters, greycloaked, hiding a power that yet she felt. For a moment still as stone she stood, then turning swiftly she was gone.
‘Now, lord,’ said Gandalf, ‘look out upon your land! Breathe the free air again!’
Theatrical cut is not an option
>want to watch LOTR with gf coz she's never seen it
>find it on netflix
>"Oh my God it's 3 hours1?"
>"nah that's not the right version, let me find on my laptop"
>"What's the right version?"
>"It's 4 and the only right way to watch it"
>"4 HOURS!???"
>"fucking fine we won't watch it"
Rather stare into a wall than make that decision.
I have to disagree with the popular sentiment on Sup Forums that the extended editions are better.
While the extra scenes might be nice for established fans, they kind of throw off the pacing without adding anything essential.
Also there are a few moment in the extended edition that simply do not belong. An example is Gimli referring to an orc's "nervous system" or Legolas proclaiming "Game Over" (a phrase originated from video games).
From the porch upon the top of the high terrace they could see beyond the stream the green fields of Rohan fading into distant grey. Curtains of wind-blown rain were slanting down. The sky above and to the west was still dark with thunder, and lightning far away flickered among the tops of hidden hills. But the wind had shifted to the north, and already the storm that had come out of the East was receding, rolling away southward to the sea. Suddenly through a rent in the clouds behind them a shaft of sun stabbed down. The falling showers gleamed like silver, and far away the river glittered like a shimmering glass.
‘It is not so dark here,’ said Théoden.
‘No,’ said Gandalf. ‘Nor does age lie so heavily on your shoulders as some would have you think. Cast aside your prop!’
From the king’s hand the black staff fell clattering on the stones. He drew himself up, slowly, as a man that is stiff from long bending over some dull toil. Now tall and straight he stood, and his eyes were blue as he looked into the opening sky.
‘Dark have been my dreams of late,’ he said, ‘but I feel as one new-awakened. I would now that you had come before, Gandalf. For I fear that already you have come too late, only to see the last days of my house. Not long now shall stand the high hall which Brego son of Eorl built. Fire shall devour the high seat. What is to be done?’
‘Much,’ said Gandalf. ‘But first send for Éomer. Do I not guess rightly that you hold him prisoner, by the counsel of Gríma, of him that all save you name the Wormtongue?’
The boxsets are literally art.
‘It is true,’ said Théoden. ‘He had rebelled against my commands, and threatened death to Gríma in my hall.’
‘A man may love you and yet not love Wormtongue or his counsels,’ said Gandalf.
‘That may be. I will do as you ask. Call Háma to me. Since he proved untrusty as a doorward, let him become an errand-runner. The guilty shall bring the guilty to judgement,’ said Théoden, and his voice was grim, yet he looked at Gandalf and smiled and as he did so many lines of care were smoothed away and did not return.
When Háma had been summoned and had gone, Gandalf led Théoden to a stone seat, and then sat himself before the king upon the topmost stair. Aragorn and his companions stood nearby.
‘There is no time to tell all that you should hear,’ said Gandalf. ‘Yet if my hope is not cheated, a time will come ere long when I can speak more fully. Behold! you are come into a peril greater even than the wit of Wormtongue could weave into your dreams. But see! you dream no longer. You live. Gondor and Rohan do not stand alone. The enemy is strong beyond our reckoning, yet we have a hope at which he has not guessed.’
Quickly now Gandalf spoke. His voice was low and secret, and none save the king heard what he said. But ever as he spoke the light shone brighter in Théoden’s eye, and at the last he rose from his seat to his full height, and Gandalf beside him, and together they looked out from the high place towards the East.
‘Verily,’ said Gandalf, now in a loud voice, keen and clear, ‘that way lies our hope, where sits our greatest fear. Doom hangs still on a thread. Yet hope there is still, if we can but stand unconquered for a little while.’
and thats it, prob my favorite thing Tolkien's written
>Though thereafter we may walk in the shadows, I will not go forth as a thief in the night
- Boromir the badass.
Why do we need to have a LOTR cocksucking thread every single day?
Yes, it's an excellent trilogy with very few overt flaws, but the exact same shit is discussed every time, and always with the same brownnosing comments
better than 10+ game of normies threads and 4 capeshit threads every single day
The EE expands boromir and faramirs characters, as well as gives closure to saruman. As far as pacing, I'm so used to the EE that if I watched a theatrical cut, I would find it jarring. But I don't know people who watched the EE first to get their take on the issue.
he really liked that Horn
The LOTR trilogy was an instant classic.
uh I just now, realized Gandalf told Theoden about Frodo and the ring. I never got that, I always thought he had whispered some spell
I cant wait for winter.
I'm gonna bundle up with the windows open and watch one a night with a little hot chocolate or some homemade shepherd's pie.
>mfw "Concerning Hobbits" comes on
Everything about the children of hurin was wonderful and depressing. Hurins last journey was fucked up but the writing was great
>edoras is basically a shack on a hill
is this supposed to be a kingdom
The ee are worth their weight in gold simply for the behind the scene segments. I have yet to see anything from any movie that even come close to the cast just talking about the process. Comfy as fuck
>tfw I love fantasy maps and always want to learn about the random cities that are on the maps but never really talked about
Even if its mundane shit I just want to learn about the people of some little bumfuck town on a random middle earth map :(
NOT CANON
oh yea, this chapter may be my favorite, but Beren and Luthien (silmarillion), and Children of Hurin are also fantastic,
>comfy
i feel nostalgic
I hate the set piece battle scenes though.
Nice. There was nothing else you could've done
This is soooo true. So much less cgi and way better grip of the world and how far you've gone. Also. AUJ>>>>>>>>>>DoS n BoFA
iktfb. Sometimes I drop my streetview in some bumfuck town in Lithuania or something and just walk around.
Stawars. Cgi schlock...
>Ruling is hard. This was maybe my answer to Tolkien, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. Lord of the Rings had a very medieval philosophy: that if the king was a good man, the land would prosper. We look at real history and it’s not that simple. Tolkien can say that Aragorn became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Tolkien doesn’t ask the question: What was Aragorn’s tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren’t gone – they’re in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?
>The war that Tolkien wrote about was a war for the fate of civilization and the future of humanity, and that’s become the template. I’m not sure that it’s a good template, though. The Tolkien model led generations of fantasy writers to produce these endless series of dark lords and their evil minions who are all very ugly and wear black clothes. But the vast majority of wars throughout history are not like that.
you don't find nostalgia comfy?
At least Tolkien finished his fucking series.
>AUJ>>>>>>>>>>DoS n BoFA
they were all bad, bad bad bad. extended Beorn's house was the only good thing about that travesty
Nothing wrong here. In reality both are valid approaches to writing fiction, but if you're going to spend decades writing books, you probably have to believe your methodology is superior
Dragon sickness was badass. It was like a myth that helped thorin come to his character. It wasn't real, just an illusion based on how each king became corrupted. Thorins grandfather (who had a ring) could easily have been corrupted by the ring and not the sickness, as people often exaggerate historical figures
What a fucking idiot. Stories are about the characters, not if they were good at their jobs. Fucking hack.
iktf too
I also think about mundane shit like "how was this random ass piece of architecture or building constructed, and by who?"
I just find it fascinating
Tbqf only the third one is bad. The other two are just good movies that can't hold up to LOTR
he beat back the easterlings and haradrim, he combined the western lands under one rule, he established a dynasty that would last to the forth age, he was considered the greatest king that ever ruled. its like George either didn't read LotR or just chose to ignore 1/2 of it.
>comparing fantasy to history
>implying either approach is bad or that one is better than the other
that's a nice thought but I think your giving the script writer to much credit
they didn't. They are movies based on a fucking children's novel , and the whimsacle and goofy nature of them shows this.
He also implied genocide of the orcs... Why was he a hero again?
>makes you wonder how the hobbit movies got fucked up so badly
Basically, this fuck left at the last possible minute forcing Peter Jackson to do what he could with what he had. I'm surprised the movies even came out at all.
also JRRT drew his inspiration from norse legends. GRRM from medieval history notably the War of Roses.
JRRT lived through 2 world wars he knew 'reality' far better then GRRM ever will.
Tolkien didn't want to write a story about everyone killing each other, he already lived it.
lel dumb
In a society where the autocrat has absolute power, his personality decides the fate of his kingdom pretty much
Thats why feudal tales are all about "good lords and good kings"
orcs were corrupted monsters, not some other race just trying to get by, they were literally evil. before you start bitching about Tolkien making an 'evil' race, he also made plenty of neutral/good ones e.g. the Huorn
Theatrical version is better for first time watches, then extended for every following one.
No he didn't. He died and his son did
Defenceless, weak scattered and seeking only refuge away from humans. Forced into slavery out of fear and intimidation to do the bidding of a greater power.
Why are orcs considered bad and why is aragorn hunting and killing them all a heroic kingly act
Ur joking. Misty mtns colds was GOAT plus that Gollum scene. Amazing
>Why didn't Gandalf just use his firework magic to launch the ring into the sun?
For real tho
why didn't Gandalf just tape the ring to one of his firework rockets and shoot it into space?
so many plotholes
Thank you.
Tolkien is the grandfather of modern high fantasy, whose legacy is immortalized in film and print for all time.
GRRM is a pretentious hack, whose bloated and meandering 'magnum opus' has long since lost its way and will probably never be finished.
Agreed
There are quite a few hidden gems in the hobbit trilogy.
Goblin town ost
Lake town ost
Dain ost
Riddles in the dark
Smaug and bilbo conversing
>ITS A LE CHILDRENS NOVEL
no child would read that
Is Lord of the Rings one of the most important literary works of history of this day and age
>Defenceless, weak scattered
cannibalistic black magic using torture loving raping raiding monsters. Your giving the Orcs attributes they don't have.
When they're not 'enslaved' what do they do?
Rape Raid Eat people, torture and much more
Magic. It's like sayin why didn't harry potter just buy a gun and shoot voldemort. There is just a level of badass magic you can achieve that allows you to be aware of certain things
oh yea fair point Gollum that was great
Yeah, or, it was until ASOIAF took over it's place on the throne of king fantasy.
it wouldn't breach the atmosphere it would just come back down. And now they have to look everywhere just to find the bloody thing again