Why didn't Ned just demand a trial by combat...

Why didn't Ned just demand a trial by combat? Even with his fucked up leg he could have named Barristan Selmy as his champion.

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He committed guilt. No need for a trial.
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He didn't commit guilt until his trial at Baelor. He could have demanded a trial by combat right then and there.

i dont think being caught red handed(lol) committing high treason gives you a choice for the trial by combat. tryion was accused of murder but the (normal) trial was to prove he was guilty. Daemon II Blackfyre was also denied a trial by combat when he was caught in open rebellion

Would Selmy have fought for Ned? I don't remember their relationship. Who would Selmy have faced?

>Who would Selmy have faced?
The Mountain, or maybe Jaime.

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Because plot demanded it

A room full of people saw him try to depose the King.

A trial, by combat or not, is there to ascertain guilt, not to serve as a get out jail free card. Also, who would even fight for him? From everyone's perspective he's just an asshole who tried to steal the crown from the rightful king. Tyrion was also jolly well fucked before Bronn stepped up.

>Would Selmy have fought for Ned?
Of course not, Selmy is a Targfag and Ned cucked him.

can someone shoop jofferys face onto sansas

What would be the outcome of either of those fights if they had gone down?

Was there a limit who could request trial by combat or how many times or was it just down to the whim of the judges?Could the Mountain just do some bad shit, demand trial by combat, get off with it then repeat the process?

Whatever the plot demands.

because he had both been caught red handedadmitted to the crime, so there is no trial because there is no doubt he did try to userp joffrey, regardless of whether he did it for stannis or himself

because nobleness

in his mind a trial by combat would require him personally fighting, he would not name a champion because he is not that kind of person to allow others to fight his battles. plus thered still be a chance he'd lose.

ser barristan coulndt champion him because he is a kingsguard and loyal to the king, ned is accused of trying to overthrow the king, selmy would likely be against ned in TbC.

plus thered be a chance hed lose, and losing meant his family's life being forfeit.

so he took what he believed was the safe route, bite the bullet and accept the offer given to him. this was the best option for him had joffrey not been a factor

Because Cersei would have killed his daughters

Selmy would beat Jaime, even Jaime in his prime Vs old man Selmy
Selmy Vs Mountain? probably Mountain, Oberyn only 'won' because he used a spear not a sword

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i believe the court gets to decide so a multiple offender probably wont get the option

Barry would've fought for him. He saw the king's letter and he believes Ned is as honourable as they come.
Barry wins both

no

he is the head of the kingsguard, he is honour bound to be loyal to the king. so in a king vs ned trial selmy is honourbound to the king

also ned did help userp selmys last king so its not like theyre besties. selmy respected neds honour but selmy would never fight for ned

Well
>only time Belmy fights is against thugs in an alley
>only time pre-injury Jaime fights is tournaments and outside Littlefinger's brothel
>only time pre-injury Mountain fights is the tournament
We can assume that the Mountain and the Hound are roughly equal from when they fought, so we can also use the Hound's fight against Brienne and at Blackwater Bay as additional evidence.

I don't think there's enough evidence to declare an outcome however. Considering that the Hound performed well in a melee against fully armed and armored fighters at Blackwater, while Belmy died to thugs with knives, I'm inclined to say the Mountain would win. That's comparing a melee to a duel however.

You don't know shit. Read the books, nigger. Selmy liked Ned and defended him when Daenerys said that he was a piece of shit like Robert.

>Ned demands trial by combat
>Joffrey pulls an Aerys and declares fire the crown's champion
>Burns Ned to death

Jeoffery wasn't technically the king at that point. Selmy saw the letter and considered it legit. By fighting for Ned, he'd be fulfilling his duty to King Bobby B.

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he defeated Duncan the Tall and unhorsed King Robert in his prime, amongst other feats

and the Smiling knight
"Ser Jaime Lannister recounts that the Smiling Knight was his generation's Ser Gregor Clegane in terms of men's eagerness to best him in combat"

Jaime's not that perfect either. He got unhorsed by Loras and by The Hound

Who is more cursed, a kinslayer, kingslayer, or someone who breaks guest right?

FUCKING SHOWFAG

The one who kills his king relative while breaking guest right.

kinslayer > Kingslayer > guest rights
the Rat Cook story clearly puts kin above kingslaying

>Jeoffery wasn't technically the king at that point.

He was still considered royalty, which the Kingsguard is obligated to serve. Pretty much any Kingsguard is meant to represent a member of the royal family in times of a trial by combat unless another champion is is selected.

The current lords of the North, Dorne, the Iron Isles, Jaime (Lord of Casterly Rock?), Dannys advisor and kind of Danny herself are kinslayers.

No one gives a fuck anymore.

So brynden rivers?

>implying the show is canon

>implying we will ever get another book

Technically, yes. Trial by combat is a sacred rite closely tied to the faith of the Seven. However, the accuser can escalate it to a Trial of Seven instead, with seven combatants on each side; if the accused party is unable to find six men willing to fight, and most likely die, in order to prove his innocence he's guilty by default.

He was confirmed guilty, no accusation so he couldn't demand a trial.

Also they didn't even particularly want to kill Ned. The plan was to spare him and send him to the Wall. Joffrey decided to kill him at the last second because he's autistic.

At least that's what I remember from reading the book ages ago. Haven't seen the first season since it aired either, maybe it was different in the show.

Joffrey is inbred, that's why he snapped at the last minute, typical inbred behavior.

The first season was the most faithful to the books out of all the seasons.

This is correct

Naw, it's the same in the show. The first two seasons follow the books pretty much to the letter. Ned confesses, Pycelle rants about how the gods are merciful. Joffrey says both his mother and bride-to-be want him to be released and then goes "yeah nah lol kill him illyn!!!".

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>At least that's what I remember from reading the book ages ago.

Yeah, that was pretty much it. Him alive and honorbound in exile is way better than risking half the country in rising against them.

Nah. It's one of his first acts as king, and he's trying to do what he things is right. Ned confessed to being a traitor, so he has to die.

To be fair, neither Robert nor Dunk were very good at the tilt.

Varys talks Ned into admitting his guilt, saying it'll spare his family. He was not found guilty, he didn't face trial. He confessed to the court like it was planned, and then it's implied Littlefinger was telling Joffrey to execute him, and so Joffrey does to the dismay of everyone.

Ned wasn't found guilty of treason until he was forced to plead guilty at Baelor. He had every right to demand a trial by combat, but he didn't want to endanger Arya and Sansa and/or potentially start a war between the North and the Realm, so he didn't.

Unfortunately, nobody counted on Joffrey being such a loose cannon. Well, except for Littlefinger since it's implied that he persuaded Joffrey into killing Ned.

>or potentially start a war between the North and the Realm
He didn't give a shit about wars or people dying, none of them do. Cat knew Tywin would fuck up that innkeeper woman when she captured Tyrion but did it any way. All the Lords and Ladies are self-centred cunts.