Did he really thought he could win a fight against Sauron? I mean, he had 10k uruk-hai...

Did he really thought he could win a fight against Sauron? I mean, he had 10k uruk-hai. Sauron had like 300k orcs at Minas Tirith alone plus he still had a fucking massive army at the Black Gate.

all you have to do to win a fight against Sauron is throw some jewelry off a cliff

YFW you realize Uruk-hai actually sucks at fighting

Saruman assumed that Gondor would hold out, duh.
Also if he got the ring, being the most powerful wizard and everything, he'd be invincible.

Sauron was some ethereal enigma with very little real presence and understanding with other mortals.

Saruman could bank on his personal leadership, stature and charisma to sway armies to his side

He did not have 300k at minas titties

Wouldn't it just corrupt him and fuck him up?
Isn't Sauron the only one who could control the Ring?

The Uruks were laughably under powered in the film. They literally got taken out by kids throwing rocks at them at one point

Uruk-hai are kids them selves, most of them are newborn babies with no training.

Yes, but Saruman didn't believe that.

well, he figured if any one else can control the ring besides Sauron, that'll be him

Saruman was among the elf powerful enough to actually wield it, thats why Gandalf and Galadriel dont want to use it because it would replace one dark lord with another.

um no they were allied
did you even watch the film?

Did you even read the books?

At that point Saruman was already mind raped by Sauron, he just haven't figured it yet.

>win against Sauron
He wasn't openly fighting Sauron. He was siding with Sauron so that he could rule in his stead, probably to ensure some parts of the world survived whatever was to come.

Ironically tons of humans were on board with Sauron, just not the ones affiliated with the main characters.
Those armored guys that almost discovered the Hobbits in Two Towers and the barbarians that rode the Oliphaunts>Elves and Elf lovers.

Saruman is not an elf.

He was planing to take the ring for himself and backstab Sauron.

This is a television and film board.

I'm going to take that as a no. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

Gandalf and Saruman are the same type of entity as Sauron, albeit a little weaker.

With the Ring? Sure. Saruman is a maia like Sauron.

Without the Ring? Possibly. His army would grow and Uruks were superior to normal Orcs. Not to mention allied armies like Dunlendings. Furthermore, Sauron would have to take Gondor first.

Not quite.
They're more like one tier lower than Sauron was.

Also they're bound to human forms as a limiter and to force empathy for living things, something that Sauron doesn't need to do.

Did you?

>saruman
>elf

hes a less powerful version of sauron think the hierarchy of angels middle earth edition

I think they are the same type but Sauron just didn't give a fuck about rules and shit

also he's been evil longer

>Sauron just didn't give a fuck about rules and shit
Funny how you got his motivations so wrong that you stated the exact opposite of what's true. Sauron joined Morgoth because he saw a chaotic world and wanted order in it.

>tier

They are both Maia. Sauron is known to be the strongest among the maia but a lot of his power went into the ring and without it, they might be about equal.

>ally with Sauron
>decide to get the ring for himself and betray Sauron in secret
>Witch King finds out before you can even announce your first betrayal

He should have just purged Isengard of orcs, hastily planted some flowers on his polluted wasteland, killed Grima and then pretend nothing ever happened.

*citation needed

sorry somehow i managed to write elf instead of few

>10k vs 300k is impossible

He may have been the most powerful wizard but he wasn't the brightest wizard.

If you draw them into a narrow valley their numbers will count for nothing!

Also nice digits, bro.

If Saruman can conjure lightning over great distances why didn't he just zap the elves and Rohan at Helm's Deep before sending in his army?

Rubber shoes you fuckwit

Who would win in a 3 way fight between Dumbledore, Sauramon and Chris Angel?

Probably only works in great heights, like on the mountain. Or maybe there was some specific dark spirits which resided in the area that he communed with.

Not that user but here from Morgoth's Ring.

>>Sauron had never reached this stage of nihilistic madness. He did not object to the existence of the world, so long as he could do what he liked with it. He still had the relics of positive purposes, that descended from the good of the nature in which he began: it had been his virtue (and therefore also the cause of his fall, and of his relapse) that he loved order and coordination, and disliked all confusion and wasteful friction. (It was the apparent will and power of Melkor to effect his designs quickly and masterfully that had first attracted Sauron to him.) Sauron had, in fact, been very like Saruman, and so still understood him quickly and could guess what he would be likely to think and do, even without the aid of the palantíri or of spies; whereas Gandalf eluded and puzzled him. But like all minds of this cast, Sauron’s love (originally) or (later) mere understanding of other individual intelligences was correspondingly weaker; and though the only real good in, or rational motive for, all this ordering and planning and organization was the good of all inhabitants of Arda (even admitting Sauron’s right to be their supreme lord), his plans, the idea coming from his own isolated mind, became the sole object of his will, and an end, the End, in itself.

Because in the book it isn't Saruman causing the snowstorm but Caradhras itself.

>barbarians
those were just different civilisations (Harad, Khand, Umbar, Rhon and Black Numenorans)

barbarians were on saruman's side, like wild people from Dunland