What one will win?

What one will win?

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Well Britain has never lost a war, so there's that.
>100 year's war
Civil war between French nobility
>American war for independence
Civil war between fellow Brits
>Irish war for independence
Ireland's useless anyway

Both will lose. In the end you will have a weaker UK and a weaker EU.

this is not a war, this is a divorce settlement
I dont think it is very healthy to see it in categories such as "winner" and "loser"

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>I dont think it is very healthy to see it in categories such as "winner" and "loser"

If the UK does well after Brexit, that will threaten the existence of the EU because it will encourage that same behaviour from other member states. It is not the EU's interest for the UK to do well. For the EU to survive, the UK must do badly

Post your face when England comes back after a couple of decades of "independence"

If the EU federalizes (lel) then the EU.

Otherwise, you both lose.

...

Friendship with US begins again

>mfw
I really hope they don't though, the survival of human civilization depends on it

>If the UK does well after Brexit
I dont really see how it could happen. UK has like 50% of its foreign trade with EU, having tariffs will hurt them big time

vassaldom'

This. If EU plays the passive part and doesn't counter anglo-american economic moves aggressively and even more aggressively counter russian attempts to destabilise the union it will be left in the loser section of history.

Punish the anglos for leaving by completely cutting their access to mainland european markets, tell americans to fuck off and replace NATO aka pax americana with a european defensive alliance and finally use every tactic in the cloak-and-dagger guidebook to make russia implode.

That's the only reasonable course to take if EU wants to survive.

>bunch of inbreds and pakis
vs
>yurop

what a tough choice
britshits have no empire, no blood, only dumb chavs and liberal fags

Pax Americana comes at a price

You'll have "peace", but "peace" with high collesteral and interracial pornography

It is nice to meme on Sup Forums about "punishing the anglo", but we shouldn't forget that they are real people. Those are families who are gonna suffer if we should decide to "punish" them

we still own the relevant bits of ireland anyway.

It was their choice, who are we to deny them?

The preservation of the union comes first.

I am not saying we should give UK any preferencial treatment, but we shouldn't go out of our way to punish them either.
We should just treat them as any other non-member state

Now this a german i can get behind

>Pax Americana
>with Donald Trump
Kek.

comeon hans dont be so strict on yourself
punish them good, you can bring down the eternal anglo, its on the ground, kill it!

>I dont really see how it could happen. UK has like 50% of its foreign trade with EU, having tariffs will hurt them big time

This is why you don't get it, you've already assumed the UK will definitely "lose". If our economy doesn't collapse, the people who have vested interests in the EU will start sweating, and IMO they'll be more hostile to us

Have you never met any English people?
Doesn't it bother you that they gonna suffer when we choose to punish UK?

I dont really see how you couldn't "lose".
I simply see zero economic benefits from Brexit. On the one side, you lose access to the biggest single market, on the other hand, you will have much less leverage when negotiating future trade deals with other countries

Ireland.

Reasonability never won anything. The UK is trying to spin their exit as positive and which will only strengthen them.

However if you immediately shut down all cross channel trade even just for the time period it takes them to renegotiate trade deals they'll go through a recession that makes 1976 look like a trip to the candy store.

Besides the main point of making anglos suffer isn't just petty revenge but also to make an example for voters in france and italy.

I think we are going a very dangerous road if we decide to punish the Brits. It will give a really easy target for UK populist to scapegoat the EU for their troubles.
Just remember what happens when the allied decided to punish Germany after WW1

Listen, I support the fall of the EU and think it would be a retarded idea to embargo Britain, but your mindset is garbage.

People are always gonna suffer. Get over it. If Abraham Lincoln had refused to go to war with the south because he knew people would die, it would have been a disasterous decision in the long run.

>I simply see zero economic benefits from Brexit.

There are a mix of negatives and positives from Brexit. It is not that clear cut. Yes, trade with Europe becomes more costly and so on. But the UK government gets a bit more independence to craft policy too. For example, the government will be allowed to support strategic British industries, which it couldn't in the EU because "state aid" is illegal.

Also as you say, we'll have less leverage with negotiating with others because the UK is a smaller market than the EU. But we what we do negotiate can be more crafted towards what the UK wants, rather than taking into account what French farmers want and so on.

>bunch of inbreds
hey, we don't have THAT many eastern yuros over here

According to your mindset, there would have been no reason to abolish slavery, since people always gonna suffer

Went full retard, took on more than it could take and was absolutely decimated?

Sounds like something the brits have had coming for a long time.

>For example, the government will be allowed to support strategic British industries, which it couldn't in the EU because "state aid" is illegal.
Which industries are those gonna be? As far as I am aware, Britain is only famous for its banking sector.

>But we what we do negotiate can be more crafted towards what the UK wants, rather than taking into account what French farmers want and so on.
Or it might be that your lobby groups will have more power, and influence your politician to privatize NHS and similar institution in your trade deal with USA

Historically speaking it has not usually been wise to make an enemy of the UK.

Thanks, but I would rather not have a war with the Brits

eu shills on suicide watch today

You can literally sense the fear and desperation from their posts

>le punish the eternal anglo xD

if we go down you do too
do you not understand international trade?

My point is, all that matters are the results.

Does keeping the EU together serve an overall purpose greater than the cost of some suffering from a temporary British embargo? If yes, then you do it. The needs of the many always outweigh the needs of the few.

If EU can't keep together without embargoing UK, then it is probably not such a good union in the first place

Tit-for-tat.
This is the future you chose, own up to it.

I agree. I think the EU is shit.

I was just saying that you can't let emotions interfere with the right decision.

The idea of EU is an voulentary economical union that slowly leads to ever closer integration.
I believe the union is beneficial to its member states, and that UK will be worse off by leaving, even without us having to go out of our way to punish them

>we want a more global and trading Britain
>exists the biggest single market in the world

>Which industries are those gonna be? As far as I am aware, Britain is only famous for its banking sector.
Aerospace, pharma, auto industry, the new tech companies... The finance sector is important only one of the important industries. Of course we'll also be able to provide more help to the finance sector if we think that's a good idea, especially if the EU countries keep trying to steal our companies.

>Or it might be that your lobby groups will have more power, and influence your politician to privatize NHS and similar institution in your trade deal with USA
Privatising the NHS is always something people who don't understand the UK bring up, because if you understand this country you'd know it's political suicide for a government to do that

To be fair, membership of this single market places barriers on our trade with the rest of the world. There's a definite protectionist aspect to the single market if you consider it from the outside

It's good for some countries, but not good for others like the U.K.

Germany likes it because they basically get to boss around everyone else.

>industry
as far as I know, your auto industry is really dependant on parts that you got from EU.

>Privatising the NHS is always something people who don't understand the UK bring up, because if you understand this country you'd know it's political suicide for a government to do that
I am not an expert, but from reading r/uk, i got the idea that tories underfund NHS on purpose. They want to see it fail, so they have a justification to privatize it

>It's good for some countries, but not good for others like the U.K.
UK became the center of financial world, partly because they have access to European financial market.

>Germany likes it because they basically get to boss around everyone else.
Britain could have had the same influence as Germany, if they were a teamplayer instead of trying to get as many privileges for themselves as they can

>if we go down you do too

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how brits are so deluded lmao

I dont think that people who voted for Brexit were anti-protectionism

IF eu are tough on UK UK gets tough on EU

can't wait for the FTA

Imagine if the only decent country for Erasmus threatened to shut doors to all those EU students

Literally half of our unis are filled with Erasmus kids

There is no way Britain will not get a FTA and a better deal than we have in the EU

Germany may have more money but where do all their business students and mbas come to study?

FTA with USA FTA with EU

Bring back the commonwealth

rip europe

Will English lose its status as an official language now?

I know that Ireland and Malta use English officially as well but each European country is only allowed to make one language an official language of the EU and they have already chosen their indigenous languages, Irish and Maltese, respectively.

Juncker has already reacted by delivering speeches in French and German only.

zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-28/juncker-refuses-speak-english-address-eu-parliament

I personally don't care becaues I speak French and German but I'm just wondering.

Maybe Ireland has to change its chosen official language but what about its status as working language?

When alone, UK won't have any meaningful leverage getting new contracts with bigger players. "Special relationships" won't matter during negotiations. For instance, US can basically dictate the terms for any future contract and say "take it or leave it".

EU should stay together because truly unified Europe would be the most powerful player in the world.

who cares what the official language is?

English realistically is the only useful world wide business language

this is coming from a German and Business student from the UK

Almost every single banking, business or multinational company is using English instead of what ever official or native language is prevalent in their country.

Based mongolian

>Imagine if the only decent country for Erasmus threatened to shut doors to all those EU students

UK university applications from EU students are already down. You think fucking Erasmus gives you some kind of leverage? Haha.

The EU is permanently persuing more trade agreements with the rest of the world.

Also, what is the better bargaining position here? The one as a single British market or as a member of the single market?

>dailyreminderthattheeuisonlygoodforshittiercountries

>as far as I know, your auto industry is really dependant on parts that you got from EU.
Sure, well that would make sense while we were in the EU. But things are changing now already because of the weak pound. The British economy has *already* started its re-balancing:

>The agents’ report also found that industry was reacting to the fall in the pound by sourcing more components domestically. This and stronger growth in the eurozone boosted demand for manufacturers.
ft.com/content/dcd360f6-ede5-11e6-930f-061b01e23655

>I am not an expert, but from reading r/uk, i got the idea that tories underfund NHS on purpose.
Tories have been cutting everything. The NHS has actually received more government funding than most other departments of the government, although it's still not enough it's not unique to Health.

>Britain could have had the same influence as Germany, if they were a teamplayer instead of trying to get as many privileges for themselves as they can
This would mean the UK joining the Euro. The price is too high if that's what it takes to be a "team player"

>I dont think that people who voted for Brexit were anti-protectionism
The public in general approve of free trade, we're much more favourable to that than the USA, but the people who voted for Brexit just think we should have some control of immigration and other stuff, not become protectionist

The EU cannot enforce worse conditions than the WTO arrangements

If they did it would harm the EU more anyway; moreover the UK will refuse to meet any EU budgetary commitments after exit

The UK is not landlocked and is at liberty to import goods from other parts of the world

As the British Prime Minister said, no deal is better than a bad deal. If it is reversion to WTO rules so be it

thats dumb
english is so easy and a perfect vessel for international communication

The US will give Britain a good deal because we support any attempts to Balkanize Europe and keep them from undermining our unchallenged status as a global Superpower.

you are posting picture this trying to make the point that we rely on you and to go along with this silly fantasy of the EU blockading

all you are proving though is that this is a 2 way street and that "punishment" will hurt you as it hurts us. and the only answer you seem to have for why the EU should do this besides petty reveenge is because it will send a message to voters in france etc which is retarded because given that these countries would be hurt economically in this situation, and most likely they would blame the EU such harsh terms.

Going solo in a world where you need strong allies is silly and I don't get the idea behind it.

Are you retarded

Anyone who wants to study a Master, PHD or even a business degree looks at the UK or US first

A degree from most other EU countries is garbage internationally. We all know that (even if it is a retarded system).

GL even working for a large German business without English at C1+ level.

Britain takes in 600k+internationals a year. 10k loss here and there isn't going to change much, especially once we start taking in people from non eu nations.

During the past few weeks the current US administration has demonstrated its protectionist slant and to be completely unreliant by threatening already ratified agreements.

You're right Japan is fucked

They should buddy up with China

How can a nation of 120 million keep the lights on without an alliance with the Manchurians

More posts like this are sure to keep Finland safe from Russia

>When alone, UK won't have any meaningful leverage getting new contracts with bigger players.

The UK has managed to survive and indeed prosper in the world before the EU came along. You talk about bigger players, but there are only 5 or 6 countries in the world with a bigger economy than us.

>This would mean the UK joining the Euro. The price is too high if that's what it takes to be a "team player"
What is so bad about joining the Euro?

>The public in general approve of free trade
Then somebody should tell the people that every free trade agreement by its nature presents a certain loss of sovereignty.

>but the people who voted for Brexit just think we should have some control of immigration and other stuff
Have you ever wonderd why there are so many pakis and black people in the UK? That happend to the time when Britain wanted to join the European Economic Community, but was vetoed by France, so they had to get their cheap immigrant labour from elsewhere. So if the British people think leaving EU will cut immigration, they are up for a suprize

Applications are already 10 percent down from the uncertainty alone and so far nothing has been negotiated and nothing has been agreed on.

That might be, but I think for Trump, "America First" is more important than balkanizing EU, so the trade deal will be one that puts american interests first

very nice argument there

small changes in trade can domino and cause huge disruptions, you'd be a fool to think that the EU "punishing" and cutting itself from one of it's closest partners both in export and import wouldn't cause a shitstorm for both sides.

Japan is pretty much an US vassal state

Daily reminder that the only relevant countries in the world are those in the anglosphere and Japan

looking pretty peak for the eu once the UK leaves desu

Britain was fine before the EU (historically speaking) and will continue to be fine after it. Next 10 years may be tough but nothing too tough when you look at the rest of the EU

All countries can survive just fine without the EU. It's just scaremongering.

Oh no, you economy might be 2,3% smaller than it could have been.

>The UK has managed to survive and indeed prosper in the world before the EU came along.

You seriously think that the model that made Britian prosperous pre-EU can be applied in the current world in the current time? You are in for a bad awakening when you realize that the world has changed and that you are living in the past.

Japan is not part of a Soviet-style closed bloc with Taiwan and Korea

Would such an organisation improve Japan?

Your thinking is stuck in the 1950s

how do you know?

all I ever hear is Germans telling us how dangerous it is the leave hitler/merkels dream pt2

>What is so bad about joining the Euro?
Losing control of one's currency and having interest rates set by the ECB, who consider the whole Eurozone which is full of countries with different monetary needs, doesn't seem like a great idea to me.

>Then somebody should tell the people that every free trade agreement by its nature presents a certain loss of sovereignty.
Of course, but most free trade agreements don't result in losing complete control of immigration.

>Have you ever wonderd why there are so many pakis and black people in the UK?
The important difference is that the the elected government made the decisions that let them in, so the British government does that and the British public decide they don't like it, they can kick the government out of power.

>You seriously think that the model that made Britian prosperous pre-EU can be applied in the current world in the current time?
No, because that's not what I said you moron.

There are many countries in the world TODAY that are NO in the bloody EU, they are prospering, they are not using the UK's pre-EU model.

Get a grip and think before posting

historically speaking, UK used to have an Empire back then

>it's 2017 people

Lmao. Japan has twice the population of uk.
They have a inovative as fuck industry. And nevertheless, the average jap is way more intelligent and hard woking than the average britbong

is New Zealand panicking?

the EU is a comfort blanket for you

perhaps it makes more sense, an EU 10% of it's current size, for a continent of land borders

>MUH EMPIRE AND SHIEET NIGGA
Wake the fuck up britbong its not 1947 anymore lmao.

If you create a position that makes it more beneficial to be outside of the union than to be inside then you jeopardize its whole point.

This is a small prize worth paying for the preservation of the whole union.

>Of course, but most free trade agreements don't result in losing complete control of immigration.
I remember reading in news that India had the condition of visa free travel for a free trade agreement with UK

>The important difference is that the the elected government made the decisions that let them in, so the British government does that and the British public decide they don't like it, they can kick the government out of power.
But back then, the British public didn't kick the government out of power, so I see no reason to think they will do it in future. To me, it seems almost certain that leaving the EU will lead to UK becoming less white over time

The Netherlands has to stop being a tax haven if it wants to remain in the European framework.

In the meantime the UK is doing everything it can to become a tax haven, right across our border. They already have places where you pay virtually no taxes, like the Isle of Men.

>Germanysweating

USA
AUS
NZ
Japan
Korea
even fucking China
Singapore/Malaysia
Canada
Arab states

EU and euro fucked southern EU and the only countries doing well because of it are the northern states

Leaving the EU before it implodes was the best thing we ever voted on

Britain is a same 1st tier economy as the US and actually pays for their own defense. A fair trade agreement between the two would be nothing but good for both countries.

have you missed how Japan has to suck up to Trump?
This is gonna be your future aswell, I am afraid

>historically speaking, UK used to have an Empire back then

The Empire of that period (post WW2, pre-EU) was a negative. It was a drain on our resources. We don't need an Empire to be prosperous.

Why do you idiots think I'm saying we need to go back to what we were doing back then? I'm saying we survived without the EU. Not that we need do exactly what we were doing in the past. Obviously we must adapt.

How can you guys be this stupid?

>I remember reading in news that India had the condition of visa free travel for a free trade agreement with UK
We have visa free travel with the USA, is that the same thing as freedom of movement? Can anyone go an live in the USA if they want? Can any Americans come here? Are you saying we have no control of immigration between the UK and US?

>But back then, the British public didn't kick the government out of power, so I see no reason to think they will do it in future.
Well that's a stupid thing to say. People have different priorities over time.

What's important is what the British public think about their government, not what a German assumes the British public are going to do in the future, therefore making sovereignty pointless

Except UK will be desperate for FTA and USA could fuck them over if they wanted.
Of course, maybe USA is a good guy and doesn't use its leverage, but it doesn't change the fact that the people who wanted to "take back control" with Brexit leave their country at the mercy of a foreign power

>fair trade agremeent
You know the USA is about to cuck the UK with a shitty trade agreement that will liberalize several markets, consumer protection and product quality laws. The British government is afraid to be alone, so a lot of people fear they will make a lot of undesired compromises.

We pay for Japan's defense, but not Britain's. The U.K. doesn't really need to suck up to us.

Why would the UK be so desperate? We have a massive trade surplus with the USA today with NO free trade agreement