Being right-wing makes no sense unless your rich

Being right-wing makes no sense unless your rich.
Prove me wrong.
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>your

>left wing
>cant spell

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You'll make more money when all three economic classes are doing well, and not just the upper class.

This is why millionaires and billionaires are often liberal. They understand this basic economic fact is true. (ie, More economic activity = more chances to make money)

Too bad the rightwingers are so tax obsessed they don't see this... Id' rather pay a little more in taxes to make a LOT more money. Economics 101 stuff, really.

You'll make more money when all three economic classes are doing well, and not just the upper class.

This is why millionaires and billionaires are often liberal. They understand this basic economic fact is true. (ie, More economic activity = more chances to make money)

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Lefties are degenerate children with authority issue and that includes most of the super rich.

Trickle down economics

dang I guess I'm with her now

Tell that to sweden

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>slam both

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About as real as tooth fairy based redistribution

Hello kike. 1 shekel has been deposited into your bank account for making me reply.
Sadly 2 shekels have been removed for this appalling shill attempt.
>Gas yourself

why is that germans have been killing jews forever--you learn in college history that the germans used to round up all the jews they owed money to in the 16th century or something and burn them alive in public? really. i have the printed book.--and then, 1 jew can beat millions of you? you must be as dumb as insects.

added: i mean really though... you build western civilization, bring a bunch of niggers here, steal this continent, and 5 jews end up owning everything that makes all the money. HOW FUCKING RETARDED ARE YOU?

go discover 10 new solar systems... 12 jews will take them away from you.

I think it makes sense to have a decent culture but the liberals seem to think that as long as they have cheap money things will be better than the conservatives would make it.

2 more shekels have been removed from your bank account for your crying like a little kikess.
>lampshade yourself

It makes sense if your shit broke and somehow fooled yourself into thinking you're gonna be rich someday

Or if you actually think trickle-down economics works

aint no poor man ever hired me for a job

He spelled correctly though, he just used the wrong word. If I said "left" but meant to say "right" you wouldn't say that I misspelled anything.

Funny how people are so quick to call others out on stupidity and make themselves look dumb in the process.

right wing capitalism does not, but right wing socialism is ideal or the working class, theoretically.

The political spectrum cannot be defined on a right left scale; it needs a top down axis as well.

The right wing system in place within the US, Russia, and other corpotocracies favors the already wealthy and aims to maintain and strengthen the divisions between social and economic classes.

However, right wing systems can also favour socialist constructs, such as Nazi Germany, or Stalin's Russia, which (for the most part) eliminated class altogether, and aimed to strengthened the workers.

Fascism, though Right wing, is not capitalism, and actually shares many of the same tenets as far left socialism in terms of economic and industrial control being given over the the government.

>I'll let them take all the money and feed me tiny bits of it every friday
pleb

Cheap money = cheap culture. Left wing promotes cheap money.

The culture cost liberalism has brought is not unrecognised by me.

You clearly don't grasp what being a Republican or "right-wing" is about.

There is much more to subscribing to the Republican ideology versus the Democrat ideology than just money.

-Big government vs. Small government
A lot of people feel it's unnecessary or inappropriate to be taxed in, say Virginia, and having their money go to a federal government who decide to pay for a school somewhere in ghetto-ass Chicago.

-States Rights vs. Federal Indoctrination
People are naturally more invested in their immediate community than they are in people they've never met. The US is a melting pot of values, beliefs, norms and who is the Federal Government to tell a bunch of Catholic nuns in the middle of Nowhere, US that they HAVE to pay for contraceptives or abortions for their employees even if they have no one who would actually USE these services?

Schools? It's takes a community to raise a kid and if that community doesn't give a fuck about them, why should I, 400 miles away, give a fuck about them? There are plenty of children in my community that I can decide to contribute to directly through fundraisers or direct donations.

The implication that "everyone is equal" is a nice feel-good sentiment, but the reality is that some people don't give a fuck about their community let alone anyone else. I would rather pay double in taxes to my state and nothing to the federal government because at least I know my money would go towards something that will directly better my life whether it be road, education for the growing young adults in my proximity, or police forces for my area.

The federal government has proven time and again that it is grossly inefficient and, time and again, they've taken billions from one community and dumped it into another where people pay nothing and don't give a fuck enough to actually progress themselves so why should I give a fuck about them?

At least my state is more likely to have my values, belief systems, and ethics in mind.

> Spells word correctly
> Looking this fucking dumb

can't spell so inbreed rightwing trumpbot detected
but yes, nothin' more ridiculous than a rightwing poor.

Being left-wing makes no sense unless you are dirt poor.

The dems just want to take more and more from the middle class and hard working people and give it to bums. Fuck that.

Again he didn't make a spelling error dipshit. Misusing 'your' is a grammatical error not a spelling error. It's so cute to see you bark like trained dogs when you're just as wrong as the people you're barking at.

You know, Squealing 'Jew!' All the time isn't really a counter argument, it just makes you look like an idiot?

could look at it as either grammatically wrong or you could say the spelling is wrong.
If you meant to spell you're but wrote your then its a typo.
But if you use your in the stead of you're then its grammar.

I make around 110k a year, so I'm not poor, but not rich. I'm voting for trump on the slight chance he can actually do what he says and lower my taxes, which altogether add up to around 40%. Fuck you, fuck your assistance, fuck your welfare, and fuck taxes.

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At the end of the day, the more you give up your own responsibilities to the federal government, the more you actually LOSE the freedoms you think you still have.

Why do you trust some bureaucrat 1,000 miles away in DC with things like how many children you have, your child's blood type, race, background, etc? Do you really trust some stranger you'll never meet with every bit of your information when, time and again, stories of corruption and mishandling, abuse are put on display?

Do you really trust some stranger 1,000 miles away to decide what's BEST for YOUR child to learn in their classroom just up the street? You can spend as much time at home trying to teach them as best you can, but the reality is they spend at least twice as much time in a classroom.

Why should a federal government full of people you'll never meet decide how your church, temple, mosque spends the money that you, as an individual citizen, gift them, especially if the way the government SPENDS that money when they taxes churches, mosques, or temples in a way that's in DIRECT CONTRADICTION to your beliefs?

This is the difference between the right and the left.

No its not. It's a grammatical error either way because you're using the wrong WORD not the wrong LETTERS. Again, if I write "left" but meant to write "right" you wouldn't say I misspelled "right" as "left."

Don't try to out-English an English teacher you silly bitch.

>Being right-wing makes no sense unless your rich.
>Prove me wrong.
Take a look at the Forbes 400 list of richest Americans. All are billionaires. It reads like a Who's Who of Democrats and left-wing donors. The top 10 alone, the richest Americans are all Democrats or have donated substantially to Democrat candidates. Even one of the Koch Brothers endorsed Hillary. Silicon Valley is ultra-rich and solid leftwing, as is Manhattan. Followthemoney .org makes all political donations available and searchable by name.

Thinking in terms of left and right when it comes to politics only makes sense when you're mentally handicapped.
Prove me wrong.

You can be economically left (significant government, wellfare etc) but culturally right (nationalistic, tight borders etc).

>Democrats
>left
Good one.
Call me again when you get a socialist party.

The rich get socialism while the poor have to suffer capitalism. See you all in hell or communism !

you can be poor with the desire to clean your country from filthy sandniggerss like here in EU
next french president willl probably be right wing because of that
kick out the muzz, plague of the human kind, you cat live with rats, dont let them in your country murricunt ( they hate everybody and even more usa)

I'm a liberal and this is on point. Paying for entire communities to smoke crack all day and get knocked up is a perversion of liberalism. That's why the democratic party sucks balls. I'd gladly contribute to education and opportunities for the poor kids on a city like Lorain, Ohio but I'll be damned if you expect me to support giving a family of low life drug addicts cash and food stamps. At some point you have to cut off the rotten limbs. It's unfortunate if you're born into a degenerate community but there's nothing stopping you or your family from moving to a productive area if you have the motivation. That's also why Trump can suck my dick with his plan to bring back jobs to factory towns. These people have been on welfare for generations now and they are simply unable to adapt back to productive society. If they had any motivation to work they would have moved away twenty years ago. They will squander any opportunities given.

*can t, but yeah giant cats would be usefull against them

don`t forget if someone gets whacked even a family member if you`re in business feelings don`t matter.

So the other day I was readin Mein Kemf not on the jew stuff but about the goverment was really impressed about how he saw the world and he is not even getting on the jew part, on the goverment fucking people over like a loop, of failure he already knew about the corporations.

Made sense with cat

you don`t know how the system works bro you gotta invest in other countries other currencies but you make good descent money.
You gonna get fucked

Very true. I'm not going to say they "suck balls" because someone on the left might take it the wrong way but I will say that I passionately disagree with them on most of their positions.

I didn't mean to sound like I don't give a fuck about ALL unfortunate situations. The problem is, when it comes to sending your money UP to the federal government, it takes the choice out of our hands whether our money goes to help the truly unfortunate in Ohio versus, like you said, some good for nothing dipshits who don't have any desire or motivation to better themselves at all. It's much MORE beneficial, if given the choice, to be able to make the decision in my community/state where that money goes as opposed to trusting a stranger than has a soft heart for every knucklehead in the country.

It's highly unfortunate to be born into a shitty situation but like you said a person/family will inevitable reach a breaking point where they will pick up, make a decision themselves, and walk if they have to to get away from that shitty situation. I would.

I don't disagree with Trump's plan to bring back factory jobs because his plan isn't to TAKE it from one city, say Atlanta, and MOVE them to somewhere like Chicago thus taking opportunity away from other Americans. His plan is to bring them back from overseas. I used to live in a large manufacturing town myself and it's not even been 1 generation since a lot of them lost those productive, well-paying jobs. I wouldn't say they're unable to adapt back to productive society because we have yet to give them the opportunity or see if that's true. If it failed after two or three years then, yes, I would absolutely agree with you.

At the end of the day I would love to see people in places like Detroit, Chicago, Atlanta, etc. etc. and other smaller communities improve their situation on their own instead of waiting for someone they don't know to come give them a lift up while using someone else's resources.

Not him but I understand and can agree with your sentiment, but it's not entirely fair to say that it's easy to move out of a degenerate area with only a good work ethic. I work 60 hours a week for shit pay to make ends meet and save up enough to move to a nicer area, and my girlfriend is working 40/week. Despite getting more hours and even the occasional raise, we have literally not been able to save a single penny of that. Whether it's car repairs to keep getting to work, or fines and quickly rising bills our jewbag apartment owners try to weasel out of us, or surprise expenses of any kind, there are simply too many expenses nowadays. All the 40 year olds I talk to love to brag about how they bought a house at 20 and how all they had to do to get a job in (insert whatever field here) was walk in the door and ask the manager for a job with no skills.

They know damn well of course that corporations see them as expendable nowadays and half of them are getting let go to be replaced with unskilled but cheap labor and despite not being able to make ends meet themselves, they still wanna tell us how dumb and lazy we are for not being able to do the same.

whoa didn't seen that kinda tv long time ago

It's refreshing to actually have a decent conversation about the stuff on Sup Forums of all places and I'm surprised I agree with you so much.

At the end of the day if, for example, a school, church, house in my community had a broken window I would rather go to Home Depot, buy a new one with mine and my neighbor's money then help them put it in instead of all of us pooling our money, sending three times as much up to the federal government, then waiting around for them to send 10 guys to fill out paperwork (while being paid from our money to do so) then 1 guy actually putting that one window in.

It's inefficient, bureaucratic, and it's the reason most of our national debt springs up in the first place.

Unfortunately, there are millions upon millions who DON'T have that same commitment to their communities and, at some point, the federal government decided they were somehow OUR responsibility when we'll never so much as see their faces and I don't agree with that at all.

That obviously goes double for other countries. The world isn't a perfect place, bad shit happens, but I want to be able to decide where and when/if I want to help and I don't need 1,000 people in some office halfway across the country making that decision for me.

Thoroughly disproven by the kansas city experiment. Even before this, actually

>contd. because long ass posy
All that to basically say, while it's not impossible to get to a good place in life by working hard, it's sure as hell much harder than it was 20 years ago and is continuing to get even more difficult as companies find new ways to extort money from us by upping rent and utility bills and so on. It's steadily getting to a point where the best we can hope for is to stay at our current level of poverty. And these changes are coming gradually enough that we don't even think about how shitty things have become because we're just... slowly starting to accept that that's how things are gonna be from now on.

Another 20 years down the road we might even get to the point where poverty becomes truly inescapable, and I guarantee the oldfags are gonna look down on the younger generation trapped in that lifestyle and pretend that they're only there because they're weak and lazy and undeserving, because they are old and out of touch with how the world works nowadays. I hope it never gets that bad but at the rate things are going it's a definite possibility.

ITT dumb whites

You stupid faggot. The people at the top arnt going to lose any money no matter who is in charge. Vote for Hillary if you think your neighbor stole what he has and you want the government to steal it from him and give it t you.

I can't speak to anyone calling you dumb or lazy or about 40 years olds today being able to buy a house when they were 20, I can only put my experience out there.

I moved out when I was 17, not because I wanted to but because it was unhealthy and I wanted to, before anything, graduate high school. It does suck that expenses seem to continue to rise while wages don't, but from 17 to 21 I never once had my own place. I worked 2 jobs 6 days a week eating ramen and shit every day but Sunday when I treated myself to a nice, big meal and always shared an apartment or house with 2-3 other roommates. This allowed me to save every penny while I was mopping floors, emptying trash cans and doing things that most would consider "beneath them" in order to pay for my first 2 years of college with no loans or extra help that I would have to pay back.

It's not easy and nothing worth it's weight IS easy. After two years of university and with a great GPA I signed up for the armed forces. I know it's an unpopular option but the fact is a) I never had to kill anyone b) I had the rest of my Bachelor's paid for c) I now have the option of a 0-dollar down payment on any house I want up to 400k and d) I can go back and get my Master's degree for free at any time. When people say "I don't have these options or I can't do that or it's unfair" I always present this option to them. Unless you a) have a felony or b) have some weird heart condition or something literally anyone regardless of race, gender, religion, whatever can sign up so there's really no excuse in my eyes. I never did agree with everything about the military and I still don't but I knew what I wanted and what I had to do to get it.

There are plenty of other choices like this throughout life but, considering the things I've had to work through to get where I am, I just have little tolerance for people who try and play some victim card (not saying that's you at all) just in general.

I get where you're coming from as well. My views are a bit conflicted because I come from a dirtbag community and can empathize but I'm also acutely aware of the degeneracy that exists there. Accordingly I was a big Bernie fan but I'm also not naive enough to believe that he would be able to overcome entrenched political interests such as the industrial prison complex. However, I'm a strong supporter of income equality and responsible social nets. The democratic party is not representative of responsibility whatsoever. The republicans are increasingly depraved. We did indeed need someone to break the status quo but unfortunately we were denied the opportunity on the liberal side. I could never support Trump appointing a SCOTUS justice either. Tbh I wrote in Bernie Sanders on my ballot. It sucks that we are going to be stuck with Clinton. A Bernie vs Trump election would have really advanced the political conversation in this country. Instead all we get is more Illuminati bullshit. Literally the booby prize.

I joined the military to get out of my shit situation as well and it can be tempting to say "well I did it so can you" but you ought to realize that it's an absurd system when that is the only good option. You shouldn't have to join the Army to get a fair shot at life.

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I never had time to really stop and think "Man, those people 50 years ago sure had it easier than me" or "Those baby boomers this or that did this or that and THAT'S why I'm not successful." The fact is, you can't CHANGE that stuff. It's already happened, it's crying over spilled milk. What I CAN change is my situation now, today, right here and that's what I did. Feeling sorry for myself would only use up time that I didn't have to spare. I wanted the house. I wanted the new car. I wanted all the stuff everyone wants and I made decisions and choices to get it. I gave up my years 18-21 to go to school, get maybe 4-5 hours of sleep a night on average before I had to be in class or at work and sacrificed all the "college parties" and "hanging out" that most people that age do because it was one or the other. I knew I couldn't have both.

btw, i'm only 27 so I know it can still be done. Just keep your head up and decide what's really important to you. :)

I'm not disagreeing with you about the absurd system thing, but I DO believe that, if someone is going to ask for perks like college loans, subsidies from housing, etc they should have SOME responsibility to "give back" in some form of civic duty.

People go nuts when you suggest that a college student today would actually have to give say 2 years of their time away from class helping in a court house, at a homeless shelter, etc. to better their community. It's a lot of "give me, give me, give me" and hardly any "let ME give BACK." That's what I have a problem with.

No one said life was ever "fair" and I never wasted time thinking about it, I just kept my nose to the grind stone to work for what I wanted. I'm not saying there's not time for philosophy and thinking about that stuff, but most people my age spend WAY too much time thinking about that stuff than actually working (again, not saying that's any of you) but you know it's true.

The fact is that most anyone CAN follow the same path. There's nothing wrong with civic duty. They have a lot of the same benefits for police officers, the problem is most people have this notion that "Nah, I don't want to be a policeman or a soldier." But they want to shit on them constantly. I don't get it. Like people think the deserve the same perks they get without actually giving anything to their community. It doesn't make sense. Like, you don't get a gold medal for sitting around and breathing for 18 years and no one owes you anything. That's the mindset I've always had and it's worked out so far.

can't prove you wrong because it's true

OP is right, the real difference b/w the two parties is who should carry the tax burden: the rich or the peasants.

As I see it, the rich have the most to lose so they should carry the burden.

OP is not a faggot.

Working/lower class individuals are the ones that have to live among all of the 3rd world savages the virtuous left-wing elites and academics are importing en masse.
They also compete for the same job, and many hire foreigners as they are used to a lower standard of living and work for far less, we've already seen wages in Germany drop around 8% for the working class as a result of this.

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Why is it a rich vs. poor argument to begin with?

The problem is, America was never a country where "the rich" had any obligation to provide for the poor to begin with.

I'm far from rich myself, but what logical argument can you have to say that "That rich guy over there already pays 10 million a year in taxes (more than some entire communities) and I think he should pay 14 million next year so we can all have free college"?

Like that's not even logical. That's where Republicans and Democrats disagree. A lot of the same people who have some whacked out position like you posted are the same ones that would look down at their nose when they pass a bum on the street asking you for $2 yet you want to tell some rich stranger 1,000 miles away how HE should spend MILLIONS of his dollars.

The shit's fucking loopy to be quite honest.

I tried joining the Navy to get some money too. Unfortunately had a condition that I had to hide from them which I wasn't able to do for long and they kicked me out in A-school which was too early to have really "earned" the GI Bill so I just wound up with a few grand saved back. From what I hear though all my friends in boot camp and school wound up getting shafted on all the money they were promised because the military was finding loopholes in everyone's contracts to save money (this was in 06-07 when we were still very active in the middle east) so I don't think I missed out on too much free money but I'd still go back and do it again if my DD-214 didn't bar me from reentry.

Yeah my girl and I are still working our asses off and will continue to, it's not as if I'm expecting anything to fall in my lap for free but I just don't see things getting anything but even more difficult down the line. Like as much as I'd like to start a family I don't think I could bring a kid into the world knowing how many more problems he's probably gonna have down the line. I think at a certain point we really need to accept that bad things are happening from giving corporations QUITE so much free reign, not saying we need to go as far as socialism but given how far quality of life has fallen from what I remember it being as a kid to what it is now, it's a little insane how much more work it takes to have a decent life. Like my mom didn't even need a job and my dad worked closer to part time than full time and they had a house and 3 kids in their late teens. If I tried that shit today my kids would probably starve.

...So lets vote Left so that minimum wage goes up to $15 per hour, so that middle class small buisness owners will never be able to afford to hire more employee's and expand

It's unfortunate that the only path to affordable education is a more selective process, which is apparently antithetical to American values. No, we should not be paying for lazy idiots to go to fart sniffing classes, but we ought to provide opportunities for people to get low cost education in productive fields. We should probably provide some limited opportunities for easier but less economically valuable fields as well, which would necessarily be more competitive to access. The approach of letting people take federal money for whatever garbage they feel like studying is a tremendous failure. They have plenty of their own issues, but the Germans tend to do a decent job of providing State funded education to qualified persons. I wouldn't copy their system but it shows that State funded education is possible. I do tend to be outraged by the boomer generation cutting and running with higher education in this country, then trumpeting the value of hard work and yada yada. That generation is shameless and it's unfortunate they inherited so much political power. They try to compensate by belittling the Iraq War generation. I'm not sure how a youthful person like yourself can ally with those ingrates, but it's unfortunate that we are not given a responsible conservative party for you to Ally with. All we get is the basket of deplorables versus the democrat filth as options.

Honestly I have no problem with people getting rich off hard work. The problem is, their kids inherit that money without ever having to work for it.

If you truly believe that everyone who got rich did so through hard work then let's change the laws governing inheritance to say that when someone dies all their money is spread out equally between every currently working member of society. That you can only leave so much money to your children, like up to 100k per child or something, and the rest goes away. That gives the children more than enough money for funeral expenses and supporting themselves for a while until they can find jobs. That way their kids will have to work just as hard to earn that fortune back as their parents did, and families can't just pull millions of dollars out of circulation for decades at a time to fatten their own pockets at the cost of everyone else.

Obviously we would have to iron the laws out a bit more in instances where parents die when the kid is still young and so forth but I'd the argument is simply that "rich people earned their fortune" then there should be no real issues with changing these inheritance laws.

Bwing left-wing only makes sense if you're lazy and unemployed.

>I was mopping floors, emptying trash cans and doing things that most would consider "beneath them"

This legitimately does not apply anymore since 2010 or so, Really invalid these days, Finding a job is fucking hard in The Netherlands if you come from a poor background ( or when you have a shitty mom who doesnt give up her taxes so you might be applicable for a scholarship)

so here i am, with an IQ of 80. a monthly wage of 780 euros ( think dollars) and not a penny in my pocket anymore, I have to ebay scam myself now untill i make it to the 23rd of this month.

do not presume to think how I look at the homeless (what you call a "bum").

And I never said the rich must provide directly for the poor nor am I saying how he should spend his money (christ you are bad at this).

I said the rich should be taxed at a higher rate because, in this society, they have benefited the most and therefore have the most to lose. If you think they should pay less, please itemize which government services you would sacrifice (remember to balance the math!).

that's never actually happened with any minimum wage hike

not even once you ignorant faggot

Damn man, I really am sorry to hear that.
You're one of the exceptions I pointed out so I can definitely feel your pain.

I'm comfortable, but I wouldn't consider having kids myself either at this point in time. I'd rather have a large nest egg tucked away for their college or something first and another to help with expenses with their growing up. Not to mention things like public schools these days that are doing all sorts of whacky things that just spits out confused, unprepared "adults" out into society that spend more time wondering what their sexuality is instead of what kind of job they want to have.

Yeah, it's hard work these days but what are we going to do, give up? Nah man. It's cool to be nostalgic and think back about our parents and grandparents but MOST of that is the result of the federal government. The people in washington are the ones who signed NAFTA, the ones who are saying it's okay to import millions of refugees, etc. etc. and all this puts a strain on inflation, wages, etc.

I don't think people even realize that. Republicans are the ones who are against big government. Young people today are voting for democrats today with the expectation that they're going to fix "all that stuff that baby boomers messed up" when the reality is the democrats are the ones in favor of putting even more strain on the national budget, credit rating, fed reserve etc. All that stuff directly influences rising expenses and lowered wages in a negative way. It's not a rich vs. poor thing, it's a "stop trying to fight all these social battles and trying to help anyone and everyone because you're shooting yourself in the foot" imo.

WAjong welfare huh ?

Well, i wouldnt say >Work faggot!
Because you would get what ? underneath 1000 euros if you did so ?

my little sister ( 20 no pics) had a wajong aswell, the crazy fucking things they want her to do ! going to a whole other part of our province ( state for americunts) to work in a grocery shop that is around the corner here ! AND WITH NO PAY OTHER THEN HER WELFARE LMFAO!!!! its a "Welcome to the job market" state of mind, My thing is, Marry a rich girl OP

my sister has the looks, And is still a virgin ( so no teenage mommy welfare drama) and she is planning on doing this, We also come from a low income family.

That is essentially communism and removes one of the major motivation for earning wealth. We don't need to go to that extreme, but the economic system is far too extreme in the other direction. Wealth should be distributed more evenly. It's not saying "oh I'm taking what you have", it's saying: your wealth is a product of society and my labors, and I ought to get a bigger cut. That's what unions used to be good for, but that system failed. The vacuum left over has grossly enriched the capitalist class at the expense of the populace.

>doesn't know what communism means
where in his post did he advocate government collective control of the means of production?

Haha, you said OP
I will man, Things are really hard on me these days though, the bills keep creeping up, And i have been away from the job market since January this year !

Republicans are fine if youre a multi millionair. Democrats is fair if all you own is what you wear. Neither of them is really right cause neither of them care about that hot plate heaven. Cause they aint been there.

The problem with the entire "free college for everyone" position is that it's ALWAYS been a highly selective process. It didn't just change in the past ten years because people decided "hey I should be allowed to go to college too!"

The sad fact is that everyone is crying for "free college" when the reality is if EVERYONE has a college degree then you end up with places like South Korea where someone with a 6 year college degree is sweeping streets. A college degree has always been an INVESTMENT not a right. You want education? Ok, go read some books, teach yourself, learn on your own. You want a college degree? Then pay for it like everyone else.

When literally everyone has a college degree then that salaried position that used to pay 80k starting out now nets you a cool 30k instead and the middle class becomes non-existent because expenses don't go down with the wages. People are short-sighted though and they don't see beyond "I want this FOR FREE, RIGHT NOW" and don't realize the long term implications of those "free" things they're asking for.

I don't think young democrats even understand what they're fighting for to be quite honest.

That's a rather narrow definition of communism. He advocated full wealth redistribution, which necessarily includes capital, otherwise what would be the point?

If you're arguing that abolishing inheritance is wrong simply because it's communist might I remind you that one of the major tenets of communism is free, mandatory public education for children? Should we abolish school because someone who was a communist thought it was a good idea?

And in any case there would still be every reason to try to get rich- to have a good life. So what you're ACTUALLY saying here is not that "the rich work for their fortune" but that "everyone should work for their fortune, except my kids. They should get my fortune despite never working a day in their life."

You cannot say you support both inheritance laws and "working for your fortune" in the same sentence, those statements contradict themselves.

>strawman!
nobody is seriously arguing for free college for literally everyone. It's always understood to mean "free college for those with the aptitude requirements" and it is done successfully all around the world.

No he did not advocate full wealth redistribution. Read it again dumbass

Not the distribution of any living person's wealth. The redistribution of a person's wealth AFTER they die.

So literally scholarships, which we already have.

Yes I agree. Free college for everyone would be stupid. Unfortunately everyone was denied the opportunity to hash it out when the Illuminati rigged the election for Hillary. I think young democrats would be able to come around to the idea that free college would require higher selectivity, but it's now off the table because we have to discuss grabbing by the pussy instead.

youtube.com/watch?v=E48QqcTOXeY

You do realize that when a business owner dies the entire assets of the business are hit with the so called inheritance tax, and that can easily destroy the business, right?

full scholarships, which are exceedingly rare you dumb shit. They should be universal for all students who qualify for college. True, we should make college harder to get into so dumb shits like you stay out, but those who get in should not have to carry debt to be educated.

I'm not a shit skin

don't point out facts that break the narrative!

that's right, vote to keep the taxes low on your handlers

Which word was misspelled?

Sorry my responses are a little slow, but I'm genuinely enjoying the discussion so I can better understand why others think or feel the way they do.

Inheriting money? Again, I'm a republican who's not rich by any standard, but I have no problem with kids inheriting their parents money when they die. There are only 2 options in that situation a) the kids inherit all their parents money and "stuff" or b) the government "inherits" all of those parents property, "stuff", and money. A good compromise is an inheritance tax which is what we have now. I don't believe the government has ANY right to claim something between a parent and child any more than they have a right to claim my dad passing down his favorite knife or his favorite hat to me when he dies.

At what point does that make any sense? Again, an inheritance tax is a decent compromise that I can live with an not lose sleep over.

I don't believe that EVERYONE who got rich did so through hard work because the definition of "hard work" is subjective. I got where I am today through a combination of "hard" physical labor and using my brain to make the right decisions. Bill Gates got rich because of his "hard work" with his brain and intellect to create Microsoft.

Your argument breaks down a bit when you try to make a connection between parents passing down an inheritance to somehow that "fattening their kids pockets at the expense of everyone else." Like my dad passing down his favorite hat to me, their inheritance doesn't affect you in the slightest way. Certainly pulling a few million dollars "out of circulation" doesn't affect the economy at all as you seem to think especially when the government is ringing up trillions in debt with unnecessary spending. That's like focusing on a nail sticking out a little on one plank of a ship that's already sinking.

Focusing on a few million dollars of inheritance while ignoring the trillions we spend on other countries around the world is absurd.

I'll take "Wealth Projection" for $500, Alex"

I highly doubt any company owned by a billionaire was ever in danger of failing because of an inheritance tax.

They don't really contradict themselves, because they're part of the idea that if you make a fortune, you should be able to do what you want with it, including give it to whomever you want.

Government's role should be to protect people's freedom to do what they want with their money.

You can't just invalidate what I've done "because you say so." Discussions don't work that way. Are you implying there are no jobs for mopping floors anymore? I find that hard to believe. It was 2010 when I was working two jobs so this just magically disappeared? I'm not from the Netherlands, so I can't speak on your economy and job prospects but if anyone were to say this from the US I would look at them like they're crazy because I've literally done it just a few years ago so I know it's very much possible.

>exceedingly rare
Naa bro, lots of people go to school for free. Qualifying for a Pell Grant gets you up to 6 years of state college.

cite one example of that ever really happening