Imagine for a second that Hitler won WWII
So Germans achieved their Liebensraum, now having enough land and resources for their Arian population.
And they performed Eugenics, making diseases and low test homos disappear from the gene pool, and making the best genes to mate more often.
And they never accepted immigrants, refugees, never got cucked by the EU, never racemixed like today.
Would they have become superhumans by now?
no
>tfw ugly German bulldyke genes never spread through europe
why even live
Maybe in 2 or 3 generation from now
Yeah, maybe like 200 years of selective breeding would be noticeable.
You have the same face Sweden
Eugenics is like making mankind livestock whose genes are almost identical thus vulnerable to disease. it can be so dangerous when pandemic explosion happens, like livestock often exterminate by one pandemic.
I think Germans differ enough from each other so if they had done Eugenics, it wouldn't have been like inbreeding. But I may be wrong.
This, Hiro gets it. If all humans would be the same genetically a single disease could literally wipe all of humantiy out
Good point.
But Nazis never planned to make the whole world Germanic, only Eastern Europe
Militarism was central to their ideology. Without war militarism is pointless.
I wonder how alrge the population of Germany would be today, with 0 immigrants and breeding programmes maybe it'd be around the same as today.
Swedes are perfected Germans
At last Berlin would be more interesting.
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Huge, assuming birth rates would be about 2-3 kids per woman.
One can dream
you guys tend to have really big foreheads, why? women mostly
Have eugenics ever been practiced on a larger scale somewhere in the world? I mean actual selective breeding of genetically fit people.
Probably around 200-250 million
They wouldn't keep waging war against the world, needlessly sacrificing Germans because "we're supposed the be bad mang :DDD"
big brains
Not, the only indirect eugenics practiced was warfare. Now biological warfare
Sweden, prior to the 1970s. And look at how that turned out.
>yfw you won't be able to see Berlin in a good shape in your lifetime
Why even live, I remember having a good laugh when a Japanese user told me that the only reason why he/she was planning to visit Berlin was because he/she wanted to see some old buildings from the time of the GDR
>Superhumans
No, we would have bred like africans and be forced into a coldwar situation with the americans, from that on you either get some kind of nazism-light in order to arrange yourself with all the people that will hate your guts and may get coopted by americans which isnt as opressive or a much more instable soviet-union like thing that acts irrationally agressive with its nukes and goes into meltdown mode once the Führer is dead and his cabal starts fighting for sucession.
The core of the german population would be huge though, Nigeria-tier.
so much for the masterrace. what with getting destroyed and dismantled by a bunch of slavics and anglos.
twice in a row, mind you.
Stop taking pride in destroying the last beacon of strength and civilization in Europe.
Well, Spartans left weak kids to die before puberty.
They eventually conquered Athens and we still admire their victories and make movies about them today.
>implying the American Nazi Party wouldn't have been emboldened by the Reich's success in conquering Europe + Africa
Fascism was not the last beacon of civilization in Europe. It is a betrayal to europe, they rightfully deserved to be exterminated.
They would have prevented this
>Win world war 2
>Have cold war with the USA
>Collapse like Soviet Union
It's the same shit with a different coat of paint.
Wtf even is that?
Except Nazis weren't commies, you could've owned a private buisness and the government didn't decide how many facotires of what there was going to be etc. Commies lost becasue their economy was shit, government can never predict what its people will want. USSR would still be alive today if their economy wouldn't suck.
A betrayal of europe would implie a common european cause back then which wasnt the case.
You could argue the Nazis did betray the slowly established ideas of keeping violence and some ethical guidelines for conflicts and policies that were embedded into the european mind, but what mussolini did was simply another european ideology taken into practize and aimed at internal enemies and africans noone cared about.
>world where nazis won
>everything is futuristic
I want this meme to end, they were humans they were not aliens
If the whole world had one leader and one political party then I can see some stuff like banners everywhere, everyone will go to work where they tell them too, they'll wake up at the same time, they'll watch the same news
But it's not possible, for obvious reasons, humans are humans, and no matter how much you want it to happen nobody will tolerate a guy controlling everything and people would go rebellious in a matter of months or maybe years
Interesting.
But would a Cold War really had happened in this scenario? Both parts hated Communism here and I'm not sure if Nazi Germany wanted to spread its ideology beyond pic related.
If Hitler had won had exterminated the Slavs, imagine a world without Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, etc. beauties.
And instead we would have the squareface germans "women"
It would be hell
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No one said futuristic here.
If anything they would be more traditional. We would not have consumism and the current constant pursue of modern-looking technology just for the sake of innovation.
There were other means of statist intervention though. The idea of holidays in Nazigermany was that not the private business would give you an outtime were you use your wage to travel somewhere with your family or friends, but that you and your coworkers AND the closest supervisor of that workenviroment would be summarized into a holiday squad to be brought to a designated holyday camp were your whole day was parted into planned physical activity and relaxing hours.
Its a hamfisted statistic that shows all people end as retards over time if you allow non ablebodied people to breed.
It was a betrayal to the elites behind major European powers like England. Don't swallow biased narrative.
>imagine a world without Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, etc. beauties.
>And instead we would have the squareface germans "women"
Good point.
Communism didn't fail because it was communism, it failed because it was totalitarian, warbent and expansive.
Chinks chose to be pacifists and their shitty system lives on.
Nazis would have never settled down, their nationalism was one of expansive war, the lebansraum excuse was bullshit.
Can you not figure it out just by looking at the pic? I dont know German but it's quite obvious
>muh elites
This isn't the board for retards, go back to Sup Forums
I am not going to prove it, you could find it by yourself if you wanna, but here actually many people think Hitler fought against the commies, not against the people who lived here, i mean it's kinda obvious since slavs have the same language family, same traditions and culture and way more blue-eyed than Italians for example.
>There were other means of statist intervention though. The idea of holidays in Nazigermany was that not the private business would give you an outtime were you use your wage to travel somewhere with your family or friends, but that you and your coworkers AND the closest supervisor of that workenviroment would be summarized into a holiday squad to be brought to a designated holyday camp were your whole day was parted into planned physical activity and relaxing hours.
That sound so german holy shit.
>okay here's plan for our holidays
>Hans you're FunVacationFuhrer
>Adolf you're DriverToVacationSthurmBahnFuhrer
Vactaion squad, lel.
Jesus Christ that is the most retarded (no pun intended) piece of propaganda I've seen
german girls were so masculine and ugly
>master race
don't make me laugh
It's a graph showing a simple biological reality. You may not agree morally but it's far from retarded.
>I'm not sure if Nazi Germany wanted to spread its ideology beyond pic related.
Ideology-wise probably no, but could imagine that the conflict-zone between the then two countries would have shifted towards North-Eastern Asia or somewhere because of muh-resources and sphere of influences and stuff
>both hated communists
And both Nazis and commis hated liberal democracy. If you know there is some big power hostile to your way of life across the atlantic amassing ressources and being able to reach your cities with a nuclear arsenal you are forced to confront it.
Also americans were themselves very proud and believed in the superiority of their society and wouldnt have wanted to just take a humilating defeat.
Nazi Germany would have taken as much as it was allowed too just as Hitler was enabled to take some borderlands when he was still appeased by his neighboors who were terrified of a new war, as the whole ideology was aimed at justifying itself by the presence of enemies. The massive loss of life which strained german demographics though may have given the eastern european peoples a bit of a leverage to hold out until the next generation of Nazis either decides to kill them off or gets a bit softer the same way bloodsoaked Stalinism turned into something that was a bit more approachable.
Their primary goal was to create an ethnostate that embraced every German. Then they would've gone so far as to conquer the east for the sake of Autarky. Anything beyond this is biased Allied speculation.
What are you gonna say next, that in a Democracy it's the people who decide the fate of their country, and not the plutocrats? LMAO
Hitler's worldview was pure memes. Germany would have started to shift towards modern progressivism anyway, just a bit later. Because progressivism is the biggest meme in the world and is outcompeting all other memes.
Eugenics doesn't work.
Prove it monkey
Demonstrably untrue. See: dogs.
Hope you're being ironic here. Western countries allow retards to fuck as much as they want and last time I checked barely anyone is disabled
It's pretty nice to see that so many people on Sup Forums know that nazism and socialism were more similar than different.
A good change of the usual view.
not in terms of improving the gene pool but it does work in terms of alleviating suffering.
unfit retarded impoverished people should not have children for the sake of their children and the life of misery they'll have
And cats and horses and probiotics and most of our vegetables.
Actually Eugenics works very well.
>Their primary goal was to create an ethnostate that embraced every German. Then they would've gone so far as to conquer the east for the sake of Autarky. Anything beyond this is biased Allied speculation.
Oh yea, and General Plan Ost totally didn't exist. They were totally not going to genocide (or germanize) every slav east of them to Ural. It was a big misunderstanding!
The longest commibloc on earth was build to be the fun "VacationSthrumbahnfuhrer" holydaycamp.
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>this is superhuman beauty according to Germans
Jap already said it. No diversity allows for diseases to spread rampant and wipe all the population, and eliminating mutations is the opposite of evolution, it stagnates the species.
And anyone with knowledge about bred dogs knows that it was the largest mistake we ever did to another species.
>The man in the High castle
Read it
Also the nazis doesn't follow the eugenics principle of mixing different genes to get the most satisfying outcome, since different genes are inferior.
eugenics is practiced among human beings without them realizing it
women choose good-looking financially successful men as mates. men chose attractive women as mates. if that is not eugenics, i don't know what is.
only in desperation do they choose shit mates. That's when the dysgenic effect happens and all these mutants are born
That's natural selection. Eugenics is forced.
> largest mistake we ever did to another species.
Depends. Some traditional breeds fulfill their purposes perfectly and are healthy.
With the 19th century breeding for aesthethic purposes ruined a lot of animals though into hideous abominations.
I wonder what you could produce if a bunch of autistic aliens decided to play dogbreeding with a bunch of human populations.
>Chinks chose to be pacifists and their shitty system lives on.
Only image-wise, in practice they're probably the most capitalist cunt on this planet
It depends on what you're trying to achieve. Dogs are certainly useful to humans, so in that sense it was a clear success. Of course you will have problems with dysgenic traits if you don't select against them, but that is the responsibility of the breeder.
Literally natural selection. It would be Eugenics if the state created a law requiring you to, for instance, earn X amount of money before you're allowed to marry.
>Dawkins states: “First, the great variety among breeds of dogs, from Great Danes to Yorkies, from Scotties to Airedales, from ridgebacks to dachshunds, from whippets to St. Bernard’s, demonstrates how easy it is for the non-random selection of genes—the ‘carving and whittling’ of gene pools—to produce truly dramatic changes in anatomy and behavior, and so fast. Surprisingly few genes may be involved.” And later: “Political opposition to eugenic breeding of humans sometimes spills over into the almost certainly false assertion that it is impossible. Not only is it immoral, you may hear it said, it wouldn’t work. Unfortunately, to say that something is morally wrong, or politically undesirable, is not to say that it wouldn’t work. I have no doubt that, if you set your mind to it and had enough time and enough political power, you could breed a race of superior body-builders, or high-jumpers, or shot-putters; pearl fishers, sumo wrestlers, or sprinters; or (I suspect, although now with less confidence because there are no animal precedents) superior musicians, poets, mathematicians or wine-tasters.”
Communism: class struggle.
National Socialism: social Darwinism.
Communist economy: everything belongs to the "workers" (State).
National Socialist economy: only the most important sectors of industry (such as Military industry) belongs to the State. Private enterprise is allowed to exist as long as they don't exploit the people or go against the State.
People like to say the two ideologies are the same because they share the word socialist, when in Reality National Socialism adopted the name simply to appeal to the workers who were being taken into the left.
Hm... what does that have to do with anything? You said "Nazis would have never settled down, their nationalism was one of expansive war" and I said they would've stopped in the East, because their expansionism was for the sake of Autarky, not world domination.
And by the way, few people in the NSDAP took Generalplan Ost seriously. Hitler was not one of them. But I know you're not gonna believe me.
>since different genes are inferior.
They did not belief though that german people were a monolithic race as even with pseudoscientific skull measuring they realized that europe is quiet diverse in itself already.
What are Germans' of Sup Forums honest feelings and thoughts about Nazi Germany?
lol no
Hitler hated the Slavs as much as the Gypsies and the Jews, he put them on the same scale of "untermensch"
There are many documents of the time that prove it, even in schools they instilled that thought
This was considered qt in the 30s. Beauty standard changes over the years.
>you'll never have a qt nazi gf that will be obsessed with having as many kids for fatherland as possible
>you'll never go with her for a vacations to a nazi commie block
Ehh we should've been allies Hans, god damn it Józef couldn't you have lived for a one more decade?
How about African genes? Only a full blown racist would deny the usefulness of some african traits.
Atleast we'd have our own GroßFinnland
Depends.
We have a few unironic Nazis here, the rest is shitposting because we arent allowed to on german internet sites.
In general we know it was one of the biggest mistakes that could have happened, not even only because we lost but because that would have become absolute nightmare-tier totalitarianism with the furthered means of technology.
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Third reich didn't win because they attacked russian mainland and fighted in 2 fronts
I believe Hitler would've allowed all the Nordics to breed with each other. That's enough diversity for the whole process not to be considered 'inbreeding'.
"Slav" is a word referring different peoples speaking Slavic languages. I can assure Hitler didn't hate every Slavic people, although he saw them as being inferior to the Germans. But then again, for Hitler Germans were at the top.
Fought*
>HELGA IST CUTEN, JA?!
Well they certainly had some "interesting thoughts" of creating a new society, probably wouldn't really have wanted to live in there 2bh (Would you want to live as a Chinese or North Korean in their nowadays societies? I dunno). Blame them for ruining our position in the post-war world though.
People didnt knew much about genes at that time, physical traits and what the people had managed to accomplish in the past was taken as a measurement which led to a bunch of quiet weird theories. Like that even the different german subraces would have genetically instilled behaviours/character traits.
As africans were neither the aesthethic ideal and branded as being a primitive slaverace you can guess what nazis thought about mixing with them.
A bunch of idiots that fucked up Germany because of memes. Hitler was good at one thing, acquiring power. He was terrible at governing a country as well as leading a war, and I'm not sure he ever realized this. Everyone else either bought into the stupid memes or thought Hitler was a useful idiot who they could dispose of once they had power.
She sure is.
>the usefulness of some african traits.
Traits such as? Can you give us some examples please? What use does melanin have in Europe?
How can slavs even compete?
Manly women for manly men.
It is you fag
This, in 30s Hitler made many conclusions that finns were just some random üntermensch rabble in the north not worth their time.
Well after Winter war they were more than happy to help and elevated us to nordics.
>Owing to Finland's substantial military contribution on the northern flank of the Eastern Front of World War II, Hitler decreed in November 1942 that "from now on Finland and the Finnish people be treated and designated as a Nordic state and a Nordic people", which he considered one of the highest compliments that the Nazi government could bestow upon another country.[15]
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Completely based on his own perceptions such an ideal about racialism couldn't withstand anything.
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boy that sure does seem like an unbiased and peer-reviewed source
Stop lying to yourself, he'd exterminate us sooner or later.
germans are ugly tho why would you want to imagine them winning
they would've probably done geneengineering making new generations hot and smart af, so nobody would travel in sweden for sex vacations
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