What is your biggest music opinion that is so fucking traditionally contrarian but you swear on your life aren't...

What is your biggest music opinion that is so fucking traditionally contrarian but you swear on your life aren't baiting? The edgiest, the worst, the ones that could make people go blind from how hard they roll their eyes.
Mine is that this guy is probably one of the most narcissistic and pretentious human beings and probably the single biggest fucking hipster in popular music history. I'll defend my case if need be.

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i like music

Not triggered since I think Nick Drake is fairly overrated as well.

>I'll defend my case if need be.

Do it, but without resorting to "all depressed people are really just narcissists."

The U.S. can't make good music to save its life.

There is maybe 30 at most actually good hip-hop albums and the rest are ruined by filler and garbage skits. Don't tell me "you're just not listening to the right stuff" or any of that shit. Just accept that there really isn't that many front to back good hip-hop records.

I forgot to say that african american music up to the early/mid 70s, and some of the stuff Aaron Copland and Charles Ives did are a valid exception but even then, eh, clutching at straws

Pablo Honey is my favourite Radiohead album. Most of their other stuff bores me.

The suspected depression was a simple facade before it actually became serious and fully consumed his mind. He played with fire and got burned, plain and simple. His depression is almost the lowest thing involved in his narcissistic ways, it just became the overall result of his behavior.

Aaron Copland is fucking awful tho

Do you have any evidence to support any of this?

I have heard people argue that Nick was a a narcissist. He wanted to and thought he could be a popular musician, and I guess to have a mind set like that you have to be a bit of a narcissist. I'm not sure if he was pretentious, since he didn't really do many interviews or whatever, so I guess it's a matter of opinion. He seemed relatively unpretentious in his work, but who knows what he really thought of it. I don't think he was a hipster, since he had great admiration for some folk musicians and did know some people involved in the English folk revival. Certainly didn't seem to be a trend setter and just played the type of music that appealed to him.

I don't mean to be some fanboy. The kind of worship of Nick as infallible is wrong. He had faults just like any other, but the sadness and ultimate death kind of outweighs it to many.

Of course I do, every point, every note, every extremely careful thing he did carried his narcissism and pretentious posturing. You can start firing away anything you want now because I can answer it all no matter what.

That doesn't even make any sense. He rarely performed live or did interviews and kept mostly to himself. Only close friends and family knew he was depressed. It's not like he was trying to give off some image as a troubled or deep artist, or would have been able to due to his low public profile.

Alright, present the evidence.
I know. Think of what that says about U.S.-ian music.

Bluish > Fireworks

That almost reminds me of someone I met with the attitude that anyone who was shy and kept to themselves secretly thought they were better than everyone.

NWA is irredeemable horseshit
Trap music can fuck off
Danny Browns music is barely anything more than a contrived attempt to be lauded by hipster critics and it fucking worked
Fuck Guns n Roses
Nirvana is occasionally decent at best
The Clash is pretty shit
Slayer is shit and their influence on metal was poisonous
lol Bruce Springsteen
Oasis is D R E A D F U L
Amy Winehouse is a better singer than most of the performers who influenced her
New York Dolls' music has not stood the test of time

that somewhat applies to most music genres in all honesty

>It's not like he was trying to give off some image as a troubled or deep artist
But until he became depressed for real, like fatally depressed, that's exactly what he was doing.
Look at this picture of him, not even 20. Not even an album yet, a boy. What kind of "image" does this give to you?

your a dorable

What about Yes, Led Zeppelin, The Who, Abba, Radiohead, or Mozart? All great american musicians.

bye rddit

The Cure's Disintegration, while good, has some god awful lyrics in spots

>NWA is irredeemable horseshit
This save a few songs, some are genuinely alive and awe-inspiring but to add to what you say, Eazy-E is one of the worst rappers of all-time.

Typical Englishman? You guys have been a nation of downers since WWII. The krauts bombed London a little too hard. Now you're all abysmal sad sacks.

Looks like an English folk musician trying to look proper and dignified in a photo shoot for self promotion.

And tracks like Last Dance are incredibly lackluster and are clear indicators that the album isn't the masterpiece so many still claim.

T H I S

the new mount eerie songs suck and would be panned if his wife was still alive

True

Hi-fiving yourselves?

lol fuck off

listen faggot, there's only two people on this board right now. Every post and reply you see that isn't yours is mine. I have posted all the content on here. If you think there're actually other people on Sup Forums you're wrong. It's just you and me.

The Police were the best band of the 80's. The Smiths, The Cure, and Talking Heads are all memed to death here and everywhere else. At least two of their five albums should be in the RYM top 50. I have no idea how Remain in Light, London Calling, Disintegration, The Queen is Dead, and Unknown Pleasures are God Tier while the Police get a derisive "oh they're trash like Styx or Journey"

Which two of their records should be in the top 50?

If either of them is Ghost in the Machine then you can just leave Sup Forums now.

I've always loved the Police, but The Talking Heads are awesome. They've gotten away with writing the weirdest shit and still make it palatable. I love them.

Zenyatta Mondatta and Reggatta de Blanc. Ghost is a misstep but still has good stuff

The fact that so many books still name the Beatles as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success. The Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worthy of being saved.

I can somewhat respect this opinion. Regatta is definitely their best, Zenyatta isn't far off.

Talking Heads, The Cure, and The Smiths are significantly better though. I can live without The Clash.

The best thing to say about the Beatles was that they were incredibly clever songwriters and did innovate. I think that is impossible to deny.

>Fuck Guns n Roses
>Trap music can fuck off
>The Clash is pretty shit
>Nirvana is occasionally decent at best

Pretty much this desu.

Also:
>Fuck Joy Division

Geogaddi > The Campfire Headphase > Tomorrow's Harvest > Music Has The Right to Children
true as much as I hate to admit it.I think he really rushed the album even though there was no reason to. I know he probably really needed some catharsis, so he wrote music, but it didn't all need to be released

Agree with almost all of this.

[spoiler]I don't listen to full albums, I find it boring and the band's overall "sound" becomes weary. I'll listen to a band perform a full album live though no issue[/spoiler]

>the album isn't the masterpiece so many still claim.
>THE
>FACT
>THAT

Musical theory is innate

What the fuck does that even mean

This board is nothing but morons.

Name THIRTY good hip-hop albums

Pro tip: You can't

I can actually kind of relate to this.

When the production in an album is too consistent without much variation it tends to get a little tiring regardless of how good the tracks are.

Dont blame you.Theres nothing more exhausting than listening to an album and coming out empty handed. Its rare that an album grows on me after repeat listens. Musicians should be releasing more single and eps than albums to fix this

I listen to a lot of old school hip hop and nobody else does

i love eric b and rakim, gang starr, empd, ll cool j and digable planets. a shitload more too

It's a contrarian position because it's immediately disprovable

I agree his music seems to be pretentious and try-hard (I still think it's good), but I don't think you can say for certain that he was a narcissistic human being since we barely knew anything about him.

And lots of artists today try to do his "tortured"-posturing style he seemed to do back then.

Heres some:
Queen and Nirvana were legit talented bands but are overrated and I cant stand anything theyve done
Modern prog esp metal kind is the least progressive music(unoriginal technical wankery) there is and its fanbase is cancer
Albums are pointless now
Hip Hop is taken way too serious by everyone

He wasn't narcissistic that's the reflection of other people viewing him. I think from seeing his family background it goes a long way towards explaining his personality. Also I would imagine his death was accidental.

everyone except lil yachty

Post-Punk and Shoegaze are some of the most boring, style-over-substance genres ever.

I like to think of his death as an accidental suicide of sorts, his sister explains it well, she says that she imagined him one night during like a moment of psychosis, just shoving a bunch of pills in his moment and hoping something changes, regardless if he lives or dies. It's strange.

Albums can never be pointless

>Albums are pointless now

Maybe if they only got like 3 good tracks. Bad albums have always been pointless.

Nobody wants to learn about hip hops roots and history. A co worker of mine had never heard of a tribe called quest until their final album came out.

Not really if we consider some other performers. I read about one man that did overdose and his colleague later on was fairly certain it wasn't a suicide attempt. I totally believe this, they knew each other very well.

both melody and technical skill are stupid contrived concepts that should have no place whatsoever in how music is evaluated. Most music that sounds good is worthless garbage, and in the case of genres where melody and technical skill are fetishized as a defining component of the genre (classical, "progressive" metal, etc.) this is true even more often.

Madvillain - Madvillainy
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
Danny Brown - XXX
Clipse - Hell Hath No Fury
Big Pun - Capital Punishment
Cam'ron - Purple Haze
Nas - Illmatic
Masta Ace - Disposable Arts
Ghostface Killah - Supreme Clientele
Ratking - So It Goes
MF DOOM - Operation: Doomsday
Milo - So The Flies Don't Come
Death Grips - Niggas On The Moon
Freddie Gibbs & Madlib - Pinata
Ka - Grief Pedigree
Lil Ugly Mane - Oblivion Access
Shabazz Palaces - Black Up
GZA - Liquid Swords
Earl Sweatshirt - I Don't Like Shit, I Don't Go Outside
The Roots - Illadelph Halflife
De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead
Company Flow - Funcrusher Plus
Mobb Deep - Hell On Earth
Quasimoto - The Unseen
Gravediggaz - 6 Feet Deep
Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
Viktor Vaughn - Vaudeville Villain
Dark Time Sunshine - ANX
A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory
Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique

And those are just the super obvious answers

The debut by Third Eye Blind is legitimately one of the greatest pop rock albums ever made

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It's weird, it was trendy to be into golden era and old school rap until only 4-5 years ago, now it's really switched into only new school trap shit is cool

The change is relatively incredibly quick, what triggered it?

Looks like someone too uncomfortable to be on a photoshoot, and rather wants to be at home, smoking weed

I like A Momentary Lapse of Reason. A lot.

Freezing his but off poor chap. C'mon let's put a pot on for Nick.

Frank Zappa never made anything worth listening to in his entire career

Virtuoso musicians make really rubbish music

Hip Hop is more childish than metal as a genre.

Wutang fans are a cancerous uneducated snobby white hipster fanbase that are on par with odd future fans.

Kanye gets too much hate he knows what will attract attention and does what he will because it works

Only one I disagree with is Danny Brown + don't give a shit enough about New York Dolls to listen to them. But yeah overall good stuff

People always get on Robert for his lyrics but I think he had some really great shit. A lot of it seems like a corny type of sad, but it's because he was a sad fucking dude when he made music. He said in an interview that he would cry in the recording booth and it would fuck up the takes.
This is just a shitty opinion; Last Dance is great.

>Any band where the only member people care about is the front man isn't worth listening to.

>Most songs would benefit from mixing vocals at a lower volume

>John Lennon solo career is really fucking bad

>Fuck Morrissey

I think it still it is just different people get a different spot based on hype. Usually its snoop, dr.dre, pac and biggie but ATCQ and De la Soul and NWA had some spotlight And the genre aged a bit so people become less invested in its foundations.

People in their 20s rarely listen to bands like van halen, black sabbath or any metallica from the 80s they gotta be in the now. Just normie behaviour I think

I wouldn't say best but they sure are great, it's pretty much the only band I've enjoyed all my life

idk it's just old school hip hop is so good that i listen to it pretty much everyday

but one day im gonna run out of these artists to listen to

>>Most songs would benefit from mixing vocals at a lower volume
maybe not most songs ,but so many folk albums are ruined by this

The music industry doesn't deserve to survive

Radio is a better service than any form of streaming

Female djs struggle because men go all icky listening to them

Music has genuine limitations of expression once canonised

Live concerts are best heard at a mathematically deduced distance; usually the pub at the first train station before entering the venue (might be the stop before actually)

The Mothers of Invention were great and he had some good jazz fusion albums but everything else is basically garbage. Albums like Apostrophe and Sheik Yerbouti are complete utter shit.

>Live concerts are best heard at a mathematically deduced distance; usually the pub at the first train station before entering the venue (might be the stop before actually
You're just a sucker for atmosphere.

You're getting close to a truism, but not quite

>Radio is a better service than any form of streaming
explain

I listened to Pornography and it didn't do anything for me. Otherwise, I'm pretty plebeian in my opinions.

We long ago reached a point where technology had overstepped us. Streaming isn't a sustainable business model which while not proof of detrimental service itself, it does raise a question of a flaw beyond economics which is reaching into the political. A radio service works within a limitation that makes it a safer and better medium for the consumer; both as an individual and a collected audience.

There is a better future out there and I think this is alarmingly obvious.

I think The Final Cut is an amazing album

Oh boy where do I start

>Most IDM (Aphex Twin, Autechre, etc) is interesting but emotionally flat

>The Smashing Pumpkins never did anything worth remembering and Siamese Dream is one of the most overrated albums of all time

>The Avalanches Wildflower is one of the worst records in recent memory, like seriously up there with Speeding Bullet 2 Heaven. The only good song on it was If I Was A Folkstar.

>The Cure are slightly overrated, still good though.

>I don't know how contrarian this is but Gambino's Because The Internet is ridiculously mediocre and doesn't deserve any praise

This is a fascinating opinion, and I want to hear you elaborate on pretty much all of it, but I'm especially stuck on this:

>A radio service works within a limitation that makes it a safer and better medium for the consumer

What do you mean by "safer," and who should define what that safety is?

>Because The Internet is ridiculously mediocre

I've been saying this for years

Wrong Generationers are right.

I believe Campfire Headphase is BoC's best album

Being American, I tried to object to this, but then I realized all my favorite bands (King Crimson, Genesis, the Who, Yes) are British, so yeah, you're right.

Joanna Newsom is ass and Sufjan Stevens is overrated

But Mozart was Australian

They're all not american, user.

I knew you would pick me up on that

Huh

The madman! He actually did it!