Sup Sup Forums I just wrote a 1000 word essay, why haven't you done anything useful today like me?

Sup Sup Forums I just wrote a 1000 word essay, why haven't you done anything useful today like me?

>dialectical

Stopped reading here.

>Second sentence
>Capitalism is intrinsically exploitative and always produces a disgrunted lower class
>herewego.jpg
>High school philosophy class
>Strawman after strawman
>I don't understand capitalism so this is why its bad
>I wouldn't be able to write this essay while drinking my pumpkin spice latte without capitalism, still bad
>Communism has never succeeded (BUTS ITS NEVER BEEN TRIED)
Every sentence implies the reader agrees with your facile statements
F-

Not a bad piece of writing. I'm going to type it all up and place it online so when your teacher googles it, it comes back as a previous essay. Dumbass

Please do it

Fuck it I'm back.

So OP, do YOU see a revolution in the west as inevitable? Surely if it was going to happen it would have been after ww1, when much more of the population worked in heavy industry and poverty was far more severe?

I've been revising for my last two exams.

You think I didn't consider that possibility before I posted?

I concluded that the risk of my teacher googling the essay was low enough that it was worth posting it to rub in your face that I'm productive and you're not.

...

No I don't, but Marx did.

Is mindless babble a subject.. go get into engineering fucktard

This is how communists operate. And if you disagree it is either because

A) You've not read and understood enough theory
B) You're a capitalist

Either way they will ignore you.

Holy shit, a WHOLE one thousand words?! And none of it referenced? Day well spent!

Writing a high school essay is something to be proud of.
>Nice bait

>implying you're not a capitalist
How about you move North Korea and write your essays there. No touching western inventions, though

>Capitalism is intrinsically exploitative and always produces a disgrunted lower class

But it does. Surely you don't believe that capitalism produces prosperity for everyone? That's literally impossible and the direct opposite of what capitalism is about. Everything I've said flows logically:

>capitalism
>some get rich some stay poor
>poor get mad that they're poor because they're underpaid
>poor revolt

What part of that is hard to understand? It doesn't matter WHY they're poor. Marx was just explaining that this was why he believed revolution was inevitable.

I'm not a communist. I was merely explaining why Marx thought the way he did.

More than your fat ass has done today.

Nice essay. I didn't do anything useful today because it was Sunday- Oh, and because I'm retired at 38.
Have fun in school, kiddo.

And yet here we are. IMO there will never be a global prole revolution. Every revolution has simply been exchaning one ruling class for another. Cause only when there is a prize, be it power or wealth, will people actually put it all on the line. People are selfish. Very few would take to the streets to fight the rich and the state in the knowledge that if they won all their hard fought prizes would be given to people who didn't fight.

Beyond this however, I think that people in the west are too comfortable too weak and too passive these days for a revolution to happen in the first world. Well except the far right. Something might happen there.

If only there was some way to ameliorate the tension that is inherent in any hierarchical pyramidal system. One where the "losers" or lower tiered people considered themselves equal or higher to the people at the top of the pyramid.

I've got an offer to study law from a world top 30 university, go fuck yourself m8 :)

This. Graduate high school, go into an actual field of study and then make money in it. That will leave us impressed. Not really, most of us have already done that.

Implying that Sup Forums is even composed of fat neckbeards anymore. Nice b8 m8

Right but you realise socialism is a total joke? Intelligent people tend to like it not cause they think it is practicable but because it signals they care deeply about equality and especially the working class. It becomes a pseudo-intellectual circle-jerk, as by your own admission the best you can do is await the revolution. Revolution (leftist) in the west seems unlikely to the extreme. The right however it may come. Ask yourself (or me) why and you'll see that most leftists aren't really that interested in revolutioning.

Yet he does not discuss the economics of either system and only talks about the phycological dissatisfaction of shaping your life around material goods and feeling as a expendable commodity. >As if mindlessly working for the state, without consideration of personal desires, aspirations, or talents is not a more rewarding experience
>As if the material goods that are our only source of happiness (source) is so much worse than no goods at all, nothing to place meaning on other than the present.
>As if people aren't even poorer in a communists society, even the rich.

I pretty much agree with you. My essay was explaining Marx's theory, not my own opinions. This is how Marx would counter you:

>you are right about every revolution being an exchange of power. this is called 'dialectical materialism' and is a result of conflicts of interests
>however, eventually the conflicts of interests between the classes will grow less and less polarised following each revolution, resulting in peace because society would have reached its ultimate development point

>Cause only when there is a prize, be it power or wealth, will people actually put it all on the line. People are selfish.

>this is only because you are under a 'false class consciousness' and you cannot see how you are being exploited. Instead, you can only see the path to happiness as being through material goods (i.e. being a wagecuck) because that is what you're conditioned to believe because it benefits the ruling class who can use you for cheap labour

Yea and I'm an Econ student at an ivy league but it doesn't mean jack shit unless I use it to promote myself.

Because the day is young. I have loads of stuff to do but not now.

God this is cringeworthy. Acting like some half arsed paper about a subject no-one gives a shit about impresses anyone other than the prick marking it and they usually only do it cause they have too. Honestly just do what you gotta do and stop looking for validation of some people of the internet

Got my AS Physics exam tomorrow morning lol done no study

top 18 world university
I attribute my getting in to not defending Marx

>As if mindlessly working for the state, without consideration of personal desires, aspirations, or talents is not a more rewarding experience

Actually, Marx believed that the state would eventually wither away because there would be no need for it. Max said that the primary justification for the existence of the state was to oppress the working class, and with the working class in power there would be no need for a state to exist.

>marx's views, not my own

Theorizing is fun and all, I'd love to see that theory in practice...

>Right but you realise socialism is a total joke?

My essay was not about socialism. It was about Marxism.

>It becomes a pseudo-intellectual circle-jerk, as by your own admission the best you can do is await the revolution.

No, that's what MARX thought. Marx was opposed to improving the living conditions of the working class because it would placate them and make them less likely to revolt. Marx's views are now considered out of date and socialists instead support improving the conditions of the working class through gradual reform, not through revolution.

I do not believe that we are complete individuals with no care for other members of society. Nor do I believe that we are like ants in a colony who are willing to give ourselves to the state. I believe that we are primarily individuals, but we are all constrained by tenuous links towards each other. We are unable to withstand the suffering of other members of society who we do not even know, even if helping them doesn't benefit us.

I am very much in favour of nationalisation. I love the NHS.

>this is only because you are under a 'false class consciousness' and you cannot see how you are being exploited. Instead, you can only see the path to happiness as being through material goods (i.e. being a wagecuck) because that is what you're conditioned to believe because it benefits the ruling class who can use you for cheap labour

>wagecuck

hey left/pol/

Bit of an odd thing for Marx to say given a maxim of leftism is 'have-nots = gonna-gets'. What carrot, if not material, did Marx or does modern marxism, think will motivate the people to revolution? Cause that their material deprivation is part of their motivation suggests that material gain will certainly be a part of any post-revolution scenario.

>however, eventually the conflicts of interests between the classes will grow less and less polarised following each revolution, resulting in peace because society would have reached its ultimate development point

I would counter that the gulf in class is growing but revolutionary sentiment isn't. At least the revolution from the left isn't growing.

The right is gainng in popularity because they offer simple solutions to obvious problems. The left is hemmed in by their own fear of being called Stalinist and their dogmatic attitude to internationalism.

There is another way...

Please fucker, talking to a PhD lit-fag here; 1000 words isn't an essay, it's an introduction.

Yeah good for you m8, hope you do well.

I'm just saying that I'm not wasting my time here. I AM set up for a good degree with high earning potential, unlike what the other poster said.

What a load of horseshit

also
> which would be act as a force against counter-revolutions

retard

>What carrot, if not material, did Marx or does modern marxism, think will motivate the people to revolution?

Marx gave two things:

Firstly, the working class would eventually become so exploited and poor due to capitalism that they 'wake up' and realise that they were being exploited all along.

Secondly, Marx suggested that there should be a small 'vanguard' of leaders to teach the proletariat to abandon its false class consciousness and revolt. This would be like the Bolsheviks.

Another thing that socialists say but Marx didn't, is that people can be motivated by moral incentives as well as materialistic ones.

I changed it literally seconds after I posted m8 and I haven't even submitted yet.

1000 words bitch please that kid stuff

I had to write a year long paper of 250 pages min. 12 pt font and all that shit schools love

Wow. I am also so impressed that you can write a high school essay with no references.

>Marx's views are now considered out of date and socialists instead support improving the conditions of the working class through gradual reform, not through revolution.

So dirty reformists are all that is left?

The rest of your shit is fair enough. I'd suport using the state to redistribute wealth from the top as modern tech has essentially ensured that those at the top in say the 80s have pretty much cemented their position and will from here on out just continue to get richer. As robots take our jerbs some kind of redistribution will be needed or revolution may just be back on the cards.

So yeah. Essentially I have nationalist sentiments but also a streak of anti-capitalist, or at least anti-excessive-capitalist/anti-corporatism. I jst can't stand fucking self identified 'leftists'.

I'm not saying that I agree with Marx's views, I'm just explaining what they were.

I think that even if this peaceful, ultimate development in society's evolution where there is no conflict of interest between the classes could be reached, capitalism would soon start up again and we'd start back at feudalism because people are ultimately self-motivated.

>feeling proud about 1000 word essay

I'm not American, but I always cringe at the way you guys talk about the left and the right, the 'libtards' and the 'republicucks'. It's just painful how hard you generalise and how vicious you are with taking the EXTREMES and representing that as the norm.

I've never met one of these 'self-entitled leftists', and the ones I have met who are vaguely entitled are nowhere near as bad as you guys make out.

Why are you guys so hateful? Why do you always have a hot head? Why can't you just chill and have a discussion without childish name-calling?

>no conflict of interest between the classes
that's not about what system we use, it's about having an all-white homogenous society. You can't have a single opposing religion, dogma, or agenda from everyone around you. It's really really fucking hard to get people to get along. It's why humans have been at war since dawn of man. We are living in the safest era in history in terms of casualties from war or crime and still it feels like a constant warzone.
Niggers, man

Just finished a 9000 word essay on Climate change and infectious diseases in the Arctic last night.
It was a good learn.

1000 word essay? Okay good job high school kid you should be proud! But you aren't high school kid

Good job farting out the anti capitalist bullshit your 100 level sociology class taught you. Wow you must be really smart these are really interesting and original perspectives you are regurgitating.

Probably more than most people on Sup Forums do in a month tbf

>1000 word "essay"
>useful

You can't have a single opposing religion, dogma, or agenda from everyone around you.

Marx disagrees.

Marx said that the ultimate cause of conflict and driver of history was the economy and social class. He called this the 'base', and he argued that EVERYTHING was a product of this base. That includes religion, societies, any other groups. He referred to all these products of the base as the 'superstructure'.

Marx argued that if you change the economic system, you'd find that the superstructure would change too. If people were not divided by class, there would be no cause for conflict.

take it from a person that got his essay published in a magazine, that piece of work you showing off will probably be in the trash by the end of next week

>Firstly, the working class would eventually become so exploited and poor due to capitalism that they 'wake up' and realise that they were being exploited all along.

This is what I was getting at above when I said without reform there may be some kind of revolution. But the modern left has been duped into seeing things like feminsim as a win. Essentially the left has given up fighting for their native workers as the most effective way of doing so today flies in the face of their sacred cow of internationalism.

The left needs to redefine itself in some way if it wants to be relevenat again beyond identity politics and 'international solidarity' with people who don't help the cause.

The modern left should be making the case that with so much tech we can produce much with far less labour than ever before and so fighting for things like UBI. But the small section of the left who give primacy to the material are still obsessing over the intricacies of 100 year old- largely irrelevant- theory, and kidding themselves that Marx' revolution is right around the corner.


>This would be like the Bolsheviks.

Or 'philosopher kings'? See even here, despite what the vanguard may say, their motivation is at least in part the power over others their new role would offer.

You think there was a social class 10,000 years ago? Do you think that perhaps humans arranging themselves into a social class, voluntarily or not is in our nature?
It would seem like an evolutionary advantage to do so.

I responded to a cardiac arrest at my job as an EMT.

>But the small section of the left who give primacy to the material are still obsessing over the intricacies of 100 year old- largely irrelevant- theory, and kidding themselves that Marx' revolution is right around the corner.

See Socialists no longer believe in revolution. Instead, they advocate reform. Ironically, this reform that improves the conditions of the working class reduces their willingness to revult because they become content with their situation.

I believe that it is in human nature to be greedy and self-interested, and that it was this that naturally led to the formation of numerous strata of society.

I keep saying that the views in the essay and the views in my posts are Marx's views, unless I explicitly say they are my own.

Neither am I my snaggle-toothed comrade. I am so hateful because the modern left has become a parody of itself with safe-spaces and trigger words, wage gaps, institutional racism and the one that mostly grinds my gears, their complete disregard for freedom of speech. And tbh the extremes you talk about are becoming more and more prominent. The left (liberal-left to be more precise) is fresh out of ideas. They're stuck in the mindset of tories bad, not tories good. And they've had more than a few rude awakenings recently. So they lash out. Everyone who voted for Brexit is a xenophobic pleb. It never strikes this 'left' that the people who voted for Brexit are acting in their own self-interest. There is a gorwing gap between left and right. Much of thus has been driven by 'leftist' 'intellectuals' speaking down to the working class.

In 1000 words I regurgitated the same bullshit every other kid openly accepted because they also can't think for themselves and it got me a B+!

Boy I must be really smart tho right?

I think you get too much of your information from memes.

>Marx said that the ultimate cause of conflict and driver of history was the economy and social class.

I think he was wrong. Ideology is far more divisive today.

You've literally spouted bullshit, not one single oringal or thought provoking point

Well done OP you're 12

Silly, silly. This was an essay to understand Marx's theory. Those were not my own views. We never, ever have to put our own political views in essays in Britain, and we are never told what to think, only given options.

Before socialism we did conservatism, and before that we did liberalism (not liberalism as you Americans know it, I'm talking about freedom-style, capitalist liberalism).

And you know what? I can see merit in all of them. But I can make my own mind up.

You must have it really bad in American schools.

I would agree.

>marx's views, not my own

This wasn't an essay about my own views m8, this was a task to understand Marx's theory.

See

>Socialists no longer believe in revolution. Instead, they advocate reform. Ironically, this reform that improves the conditions of the working class reduces their willingness to revult because they become content with their situation.
My problem with these 'Socialists' (assuming we're talking about the plitical class for a second) is that they are largely members of larger, secret agenda type, organisations. In the UK this is the Fabian Society, who up until Corbyn provided Labour with their song-sheet. As a result of being a product of Fabian thinking, most labour party MPs are actually internationalist socialists and their method is gradualism. This is why you'll never hear a socialist candidate talking about immigration in a negative light. So when these reforms are offered by the 'left' over here, they are actually a smokescreen for something that is in the long run bad for the working class of the UK.

Great defense. Typically understanding a concept doesn't involve a 1000 role play essay and then followed up by masturbatory post here.

Gosh you must be doing quite well in self regard if this is your arena for self gratification

>writing essay
>on anything
>useful

haha ur a fagget op.

also thou marx wasn't critical enough of the state.

I disagree. What I said sums up nicely the modern 'left'. You will see yourself as you are going to university soon, but I suspect even then you'll rationalise it away. Consider that he left has always been over-represented among students. Now look at the most pressing 'student politics' of the day.

Say "alienated" "intrinsically" "exploited" more. Don't use a 4 syllable word when a 2 syllable word will do. It's not impressive when you throw around the same 5 words over and over just because they're big and they mean what you're saying. You can get your point across without being a hammer and bashing your explanations into your poor professors head like he's a bent nail.

Seriously, man.

>"The class dialectic was inevitably adversarial".
Oooooh look at you, you open with 2 big fancy words in a 6 word sandwhich that doesn't even make a complete sentence, i'm sure your professor will be fawning over this line.

You literally use alienated 3 times in a row in 3 different sentences.

>People feel alienated
next sentence
>People feel alienated

Dude are you kidding me? You really sat back and said "wow i'm a genious, let me go post that to the internet."

Jesus that's just structure. Don't get me started on content.

>Marx
Oooh boy, time for the 101 level political science class. Let's all get excited about imagining a world where we don't have to work for someone! Wouldn't that be great if we could just all make the same money because we all deserve to live in an egalatarian society where nobody takes advantage of anyone else? Wouldn't that just be peachy?

Come on kid, go masturbate, then sit down and rewrite your paper without a massive communist hard on and try not to alienate yourself from your intrinsically shit paper.

Let me grade it for you
>82%
>Repetetive
>Lofty words without conveying significant meaning
>Lack of critical evaluation of the subject matter

Enjoy your C

>also thou marx wasn't critical enough of the state.

That's right, Marx criticised that state as being a tool to oppress the working class. He said that the state would wither away in a classless society because it would serve no purpose.

This is the most interesting reply so far.

I probably agree with you. But what specifically about Fabian thinking results in most Labour MPs being internationalists? What do they preach in the Fabian Society?

>Come on kid, go masturbate, then sit down and rewrite your paper without a massive communist hard on and try not to alienate yourself from your intrinsically shit paper.

This isn't a YLYL thread but I lost anyway

go easy on him he's in high school not college

A classless society is a farce though because even when economic and current political constraints are erased new groups are created simply through the inherent behavior humanity

Marxism is an interesting social fiction in what humanity would be like stripped of the animal in them, the survivalist competitive instinct.

The day Marxism thrives is a day long past the death of humanity or just in idealistic dreams of pimple faced 19 year olds in their first few years of university

I used those words often because they are key terms in Marxist theory. I didn't use them to be a smartass, but because they were the best way to get my point across.

>People feel alienated
next sentence
>People feel alienated

This I acknowledge, but the essay's not a big enough deal to change the structure. I thought I'd just be straightforward about it, rather than unnecessarily eloquent which could mess up the understanding.

>Oooooh look at you, you open with 2 big fancy words in a 6 word sandwhich that doesn't even make a complete sentence, i'm sure your professor will be fawning over this line.

That wasn't even the beginning of the essay m8, the screenshot is about halfway through. It makes perfect sense in context.

OP here, I lost too.

Post the whole thing on a google doc or something. I'll make notes and improve it like 1000%. I'm bored as shit. Give me 30 minutes and i'll get you an A.

>A classless society is a farce though because even when economic and current political constraints are erased new groups are created simply through the inherent behavior humanity

I agree.

Once again, I was only explaining Marx's theory.

It'll get me an A anyway m8 ;)

Like writing down some shit is more productive than actually creating something or getting money for one's work

Then why haven't you done either faggot?

>Once again, I was only explaining Marx's theory.
No. You were agreeing with it. Not explaining it.

If you were explaining it you would include lines like:

"Marx explains that..."
"Marx states..."
"According to Marx..."


Also. WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOUR SOURCES?

Quotations. You need Quotations, and annotations. If you paraphrase (which you didn't, clearly) you still need to have some kind of notation indicating where you got that idea.

I hope to god this is high shcool. This shit would get an F in any 101 level college course.

You have to actively use the source material in your writing. Literally none of your papers in college can be 100% your words. Failure to refer to the book/literature/work is an automatic F in any serious academic institution.

I'm at work, I've already done my job today, and now I'm actually getting paid for watching Sup Forums
U jelly?

Hey man, just because some of us get to go to college and learn smart people stuff doesn't mean you blue collared assholes are any more superior becasue you "work with your hands for a living". Seriously. The kinds of people you're talking down to for "writing instead of being productive" are exactly the kinds of people telling you where to lay those bricks and dig those holes.

The Fabians are gradualist internationalsts.

>Fabian socialists were in favour of reforming Britain's imperialist foreign policy as a conduit for internationalist reform, and were in favour of a capitalist welfare state modelled on the Bismarckian German model

Check out some of their imagery. Wolf in sheep's clothing and tortoise are two of their logos.

1. I just got out of bed, because in the part of the world that matters, it's just 0620 hours.
2. I can wrote 1000 words in less than two hours. You aren't shit.
3. You must be a Eurocuck so you don't get to respond or to post ever again. This website is only for white Americans and the Japanese. Euro trash not welcome or tolerated. So gtfo my board you filthy fucking piece of euro shit. Go suck some muslim shitskin cock.

I've attended college too, faggot. I don't get my hands dirty. I tap buttons and get paid. It's just I couldn't even think about writing essays or any other crap a "productive" thing. Most of what they learn and require you to learn/know is absolutely useless IRL.

hahahahaha

Have fun being a barista

>No. You were agreeing with it. Not explaining it.

If you were explaining it you would include lines like:

"Marx explains that..."
"Marx states..."
"According to Marx..."

Do I need to say 'Marx says' before every sentence? No, that's idiotic. I say it once and you should be not retarded enough to know that I'm talking about Marx.

>Also. WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOUR SOURCES?

I do not need to include references for a shitty homework task m8. I'm not American. We get our info from textbooks and memorise it. If this we a task where I was asked to make an evaluation rather than just explain it, I might use a source.

We use sources for important essays like coursework, but not for exams. Where would we even get our sources in a closed-book exam?

Oh yeah I forgot, the rest of the world has real exams, not your multiple choice bullshit.

>Most of what they learn and require you to learn/know is absolutely useless IRL.
Obviously you studied business/marketing/communications.

Anyone who went for actual sciences, computer tech, or even the liberal studies like english/philosophy are far more useful to a person than just practical applications. If you only use what you learned in college to get you a job you didn't really learn anything then, did you? You just went to get a piece of paper so you could go to another place to get paid so you can pay for the piece of paper that let you work for the place that helps you pay for it.

Back to your original question. I just woke up. Ive been reviewing my old organic chem stuff from colege. I kinda want to make a smal home lab and do some advanced work (advanced as i can safely, without poisoning myslf) i dont do drugs so dont assume i want to be a clandestine chemist.

>muh 'expirence'
>muh 'fuller person'

You realise that 'fuller person' is code for indoctrinated right?

Why do you think students, especially in the UK, are almost exclusively SJW? Why do you think they demand 'safe spaces' from speakers that may challenge their worldview?

>Do I need to say 'Marx says' before every sentence? No, that's idiotic. I say it once and you should be not retarded enough to know that I'm talking about Marx.

No, not every sentence, but fucking once would be nice. It shows that you have knowledge of his actual statements and his actual beliefs, not just a general "cliff-notes" summary of regurgitated bullshit that anyone who reads a wikipedia page on Marxism can tell you.

>I do not need to include references for a shitty homework task m8. I'm not American. We get our info from textbooks and memorise it. If this we a task where I was asked to make an evaluation rather than just explain it, I might use a source.
Lol. Even if you're not "required" to use the source and cite your material. You should.

>We use sources for important essays like coursework, but not for exams. Where would we even get our sources in a closed-book exam?
>Oh yeah I forgot, the rest of the world has real exams, not your multiple choice bullshit.

Hah. I had to write over 1000 pages throughout my school career. I'm damn good at writing research papers and even something small like a 1000 word essay would get the same level of attention to detail as a 40 page research paper.

>Obviously you studied business/marketing/communications.
Obviously I studied electronics, telecommunications and biomedical engineering, and only the last thing was time-worthy. The rest, consisting of 3 and 1/2 year could be shrunk to a year or year and a half due to additional classes that were shit. Ie. I can do God's work in ASM and we had ASM coding for 3 semesters where I did basic shit like "after pushing the button 3 seconds pass and a text on LCD comes up". Actually 3 hours in a week wasted because of that.

Hi user. I wrote a draft for my college english class. 2000 words. Got the draft back. She said it was an excellent paper. Did some minor revisions. Will hand it in early.

Reason why I'm not as productive as you is because I already did my part you cunt.

>You realise that 'fuller person' is code for indoctrinated right?


Scientia ipsa Potentia est

Ew, Marxist theory, the most useless far-left kind there is.

Also proof-read that, I spotted at least one grammatical mistake in the 2 or so seconds I had it enlarged.