It's the same every election

It's the same every election.
Liberals tell you a vote for a third party candidate is a vote for the Republican candidate, and Conservatives tell you a vote for a third party candidate is a vote for the Democratic candidate.
It's time we stop letting them use fear to make us vote for candidates we despise.
Today, cast your vote for the independent, honest, former governor of NM.

not with trump on the ticket.

>open borders
Fuck no.

I did yesterday. Fuck the two party stranglehold.

GO AHEAD, THROW YOUR VOTE AWAY.

open borders, but a rigorous "one strike rule"

johnson is a fucktard
>what is aleppo
libertarians are just faschists in disguise. as soon as you get ride of rules, the whole countrys gunna turn into a war zone. you know for a fact the rednecks and blacks are going to fight.
then the rich assholes buy armies and keep slaves to defend themselves. the rich will have all the power. the common man is forced to go work or fights for breadcrumbs. faschism.

That's the spirit
I think we can all agree that Trump is the only facsist here

A third party vote is a vote for whichever party controls the house. Each non binary vote takes the election closer to no candidates having enough votes to be declared president. When that happens, the House decides, and they will be partisan across the board.

Thus, this election a third party vote is a vote for tiny hands orange guy.

libertarians begging for a government hand out

You've got to think beyond this election if we ever want to see actual change.

The strongest way to affect long lasting change re: third party support is to start from the ground up. Local and downticket elections are easier to elect and put the alternative parties in a better position to directly influence and work for their constituents.

when the R and D selections are both wall street financed puppets, sure, vote 3rd party. It's probably the best thing to do. But this time, for the first time ever, there is a completely independent and outside option within reach of the white house. He's funded by his own money and has pulled the curtain back on the establishment time and time again, while swearing to crush them. Notw is not a time for a protest vote.

This is my 3rd campaign, and I fought hard for Ron Paul in 08 and 12, just to see the RNC cheat him. This is the chance to crush these establishment shits (and child rapists) in one swing.

kek

libertarianism is faschism.

the only real solution to the 2 party system is instant runoff voting.

you get a list of candidates, rank them. then the total vote is taken of rank1s. whoever wrote the least popular candidate as rank1- their vote goes to rank2. recount. do it again til only 1 candidate left.

ex) trump hillary johnson on ballot.

trump gets 40% rank 1 0% rank 2 60% rank3

johnson gets 35%rank1 70%rank2 10% rank3

hillary gets 25%rank1 30%rank2 30% rank3

hillary is last on rank1s. so all her votes go to their 2nd rank johnson. johnson now beats trump to win.

what this does is if theres 2 close candidates or 2 candidates that people could want either of them, they have a chance for either. so if johnson+trump sipporters didnt care who won out of the two but REALLY dont want hillary to win, hillary prob wont win. this wouldve been really useful in the repub primaries. we prob wouldve seen a kasich canfidacy.

If you vote for A third party candidate you may as well be laying down and pissing straight up. The only person getting wet is you.

I agree. That's been working where I live. But access to public campaign financing would also help down ticket races.

But what if I want an "independent and outside option" whose campaign doesn't rely on fear and hate? Plus: Noone really knows what Trump's foreign policy's gonna be like...

trumps foreign policy is clear "fuck you do what i say" and make russia a super power

FUCKING LOLBERTARIANS STOP THIS MADNESS.

Vote Trump. Stop Clinton and her banker scum owners.

>IF you help and we still lose , we will ALL be coming to the party in 2020 for the easy win.

>IF you help and we win, we will join you in 2024.
We killed the GOP, & we're not going back.

This is NOT your year, Gary's had too many Tantrums and there is record turnout for the other 2 candidates making your 5% essentially impossible.

Johnson is the most likable candidate and i like his social issue stance (which is basically being adopted by the 2 major parties, slowly) but he's a libertarian.

The biggest problems with america right now are caused by capitalism gone rogue, libertarians seem to think that's fine.

its the opposite actually. libertarians oppose bailouts and government subsidies. corporations love big government and regulations that kill competition. america is not a real free market by libertarian standards.

"No, not this time!"

And when Trump loses, once again, no progress will have been made.

>fought hard for ron paul the con artist

#FEELTHEJOHNSON

that implies he's fine with an economic system that semi-predictably goes into crisis that in hindsight everyone can agree that regulations and rules could've prevented.

regulations and rules that if had existed would be the reason the crooked bankers would face jail time instead of bail outs or 'no bail outs'

if the repubs dont vote in hillarys judges, their party is toast. moderate/fiscal repubs are tired of their party obstructing everything to appease tired dogmas. most repubs dont hate gays, dont want abortion illegal, want gun control, want their kids to have cheaper college. the only thing that keeps them voting R is their capitalism obsesion.
if repubs block everything again, expect to see a chunk of your party go D. religious and militia fringes will be the last of R constituency

We will make America great again

I just don't understand how Trump got so many people to drink the Kool-Aid. The man is an entitled, moronic, snake oil salesman, who seems to be running only to stoke his own ego and benefit himself. He's used this election to funnel donations and tax dollars into his own businesses. I have seen nothing to make me believe he wouldn't try to do the same thing as president.

There is talk at this point of the SCOTUS being broken up by congress entirely. Also, I am not a conservative.

>most repubs dont hate gays
this is true but new.
>dont want abortion illegal
the srs christian vote is pandered to by republican candidates, and they're frequently their representative, that's most enough.
>want gun control
not really, this seems to be their biggest poll puller.
>want their kids to have cheaper college
their opinions don't even reach this far. if republicans are undecided on the other topics you brought up then they're probably not voting.

what do you mean being broken up? its already 4R4D on the bench.

and yea trump is a giant troll. he cant get through a single interview without contradicting himself bc he just says shit to trick people. no actual plan.

It's not fear, it's a fact. If you vote for someone who has zero chance of winning, it's a wasted vote.

Just that there is no penalty for congress to not appoint judges. I don't see that changing any time soon. Congress is completely dysfunctional, yet people will still re-elect them. At this point I think we need other parties to shake things up.

i meant the moderates/fiscals not the entire base. i could see around a max of 30% voting D 2020 if we see 4 tears of nothing. especially if the Rs obstruct healthcare reform without offering a real plan. from personal account in an upperclass R town, these people are fine with single payer. they thibk the insurance companies are ridiculous.

Are you retarded? Libertarianism isn't anarchy dipshit, and American Libertarianism is barely even Libertarianism, it's just constitutionalism.
Hell, Johnson is more Liberal economically than most Libertarians.

what about spooky scary socialists?

He wants only social programs to be Law enforcement, Justice and Defense.

I actually used to think that was a good idea, comrade.

Wrong. More than 50% of people value gun crimes, more than 50% of women are pro-choice. Most people are more tired with the antics and corruption in the DNC than the GOP. If anyone is in trouble, it's the DNC. Watch as Hilary loses both the House and Congress.

Value pro-gun laws*
A shit ton of people in America love their guns.

Are you even American? You speak like a fucking mongloid. Learn his, and other Libertarian ideologies before speaking directly from your asshole.

A third party candidate will not win this election. Get over it.

No one expects them to.

Johnson is a fucking moron, you fucking morons

Literally kill yourselves libertarian retards, go back to school and fucking learn something

most moderates can actually analyze the D plan and realize its not socialism. which is why i think that enough of the R base is willing to vote D for some needed changes. the question is are those R spread out enough to make a difference?

>Leaving each other alone is a bad policy
Oy vey

The DNC is collapsing. People are pissed about Bernie, and nobody trusts the Dems. It's over, Republicans will rule the Senate and Congress for years.

pro choice is D side not R. like i said, a chunk, not 50%, of the base wants gun control. they are smart enough to realize no D wants to take away guns. just restrictions like no ARs. it could be up to 30% of the entire base ready to vote D 2020

Australia. When i was a highschool senior that Penn and Teller bullshit show was played a lot, they're super fucking libertarian and i clinged to that as my first poli ideology.

I was talking out my ass lol. penn endorsed him so i just assumed.

in the years since i was a libertarian i've greatly benifited from social programs though, i'm currently in state payed for training to get work (I start on the 17th), something that I doubt would be available to me under any kind of libertarianism.

what does johnson's view of libertarianism say to a guy in his early 20s who found life more difficult that he expected it?

The DNC has its issues, but I think it is the GOP who needs to come around on certain social issues if they hope to remain relevant. Demographics in this country are changing rapidly, and the right is being left behind on certain issues.

Could get equal ballot access though

where are you getting this from? testimonials of trump trolls posing as bernouts? the D party is fine. yea millemials are pissed about bernie losing but there is no turmoil like you suggest. bernouts are still voting D or not voting

did he ever figure out where aleppo was?

>the rednecks and blacks are going to fight
Good thing we have the Republicans and Democrats to prevent that from ever happening.

>the rich assholes buy armies and keep slaves to defend themselves
Never heard of any libertarians advocating private militaries on American soil. Maybe you know more about the libertarian party than I do and know which libertarian does or ever did in history. You know, naming names here.

>the common man is forced to go work or fights for breadcrumbs.

You mean the common man doesn't already work for a low wage in a wage gap between the poor and upper-class all while shrinking the middle-class? Also do you know of anyone enlisted in the military that makes a middle-class wage? Pretty sure much of them make a little over $1k a month, maybe it's more than breadcrumbs but does that look like a lot to you?

>faschism.

Ah yes! A variant of Godwins law in effect. Libertarians are closer to nazis than the other parties. That's what they want, they want to destroy your birthrights and rescind the constitution so they can make you enslaved to the collective of their government scheme. You're onto them, it's horrifying how much of an insider you are that you know something we don't. You're too far deep, you might be too smart for your own good. I'd keep one eye open if I were you when falling asleep. Be careful man! Don't stop spreading the truth. I thought this was all shit you imagined, but you opened my eyes and now I'm awake to the truth. This is the light I needed to wake up and see that libertarians are fascists in disguise. Please be careful and godspeed my good man!

I never understand why people would be angry at the DNC its not like they changed the votes against bernie. Over a million people DID NOT vote for him. How is that rigged? Its just as retarded as Trump saying the elections rigged.

There is literally no example of mass rigging that can change millions of votes, or have dead ppl vote in mass because its impossible.

I'm sorry but they're both right. Voting for a 3rd party candidate in a first past the post systems is tantamount to voting against your own best interests.

If you want 3rd party candidates to ever have a chance of winning the presidency in your country you need voting reform.

wasn't there staff in the party that where in positions that were designated to unbias folks, and those very same folks were clearly bias in emails and shit?

I would consider going with the GOP if they end all this religious shit. Evangelical christians is a fancy phrase for someone with extra chromosomes, and they should not be pandered to.

Also when they act like big babies and shut down the government when they dont get what they want pisses me off. You shouldnt act like children at that age.

okay, the laws are shot. what are your big bad R and D going to do to prevent race wars? you cant call in the military, no law says they have to listen to you.

it doesnt matter what libertarians advocate, strike down the laws and its every man for himself. how are you going to gain security-food water shelter etc? whats going to stop laborers from bumrushing trumps florida estate, taking his shit and selling it? law enforcement cant stop it, no rules preventing it. trumps gunna hire his army to stop it. so what will you do about it? and if you say employ rules, then you are exactly a fascist.

minimum wage makes more than breadcrumbs. yes, people are more satisfied with minimum wage and some freedom than to be chained to a slave master who pays them in bread.

blah blah dont have time for mockery on mobile

Who gives a fuck. You don't hink the primary was "rigged" against trump in the same way?

Ppl still have to vote for you! It doesn't matter! He still was at debates, had rallies and got made news time and people still said no to him.

That being said I think the dnc should have been unbiased but I'm 100% sure that he woulnt have won if they didn't.

There are always going to be religious zealots. Fine. They can be acknowledged without completely pandering to them.

The winner will have to deal with the fact x% of the population is not with it.
And if you get let's say 10% of the votes being for third parties, It is a quite good sign the winner suck.

that was a serious question

i suppose realism doesn't agree with unbias potisions of power

>what are your big bad R and D going to do to prevent race wars?
Oh no! I thought this was the type of question in which only you knew the answer to. If you don't know what the D and R are doing to prevent race wars, who does?! We are fucked. We are so fucked.

>you cant call in the military, no law says they have to listen to you.
hmmmm...maybe if I infiltrated the libertarian party, I could disguise myself as one of them and use my fascist powers to make the military preven race wars. You know? Stop the bad guys in their tracks by pretending to be a bad guy. I think it's called espionage or some shit.

>you cant call in the military, no law says they have to listen to you.
I can see that. More laws means more protection and nurture for humanity. It's working out really great on foreign soil.

>how are you going to gain security-food water shelter etc?
Sounds like an apocalyptic world. Maybe that's what fascism does, what do you think?

>trumps gunna hire his army to stop it. so what will you do about it? and if you say employ rules, then you are exactly a fascist.
Oh we can't have that, we gotta create a party the does the opposite. You know, like instead of employ rules like a fascist, delete rules like uh..."a person that stands for liberty", we gotta give that some kind of word. Libertar..aria...can't figure out the mystery of the English language.

>yes, people are more satisfied with minimum wage and some freedom than to be chained to a slave master who pays them in bread.
You gotta a good point. Keeping things the same protects you. Can't change anything, might just ruin everything we have.

>blah blah dont have time for mockery on mobile
Mockery? Is this some kind of code for telling the truth unfiltered? Man. I feel like you're a living leaflet of truth, I'm learning things here.

>libertarians are just faschists in disguise. as soon as you get ride of rules, the whole countrys gunna turn into a war zone

I wonder how one gets this damn stupid.

Probably by far too mainstream. That's how special snowflakes are made, by being part of the herd. Not that there's any irony to notice here.

are....are you being thick on purpose?

libertarianism is anti rule. if you arent antirule and just want different rule, you arent a libertarian, you just want different rules.

you have no answer to how to prevent wars between the people when you have no rules preventing the wars. being sardonic isnt a solution.

>are....are you being thick on purpose?

Are you being thick by genuinely questioning if I'm being thick?

>if you arent antirule and just want different rule, you arent a libertarian, you just want different rules.

We gotta make some party that just wants to uphold the constitution all without making "different rule". The constitution party? Hmm...getting idea's here.

>you have no answer to how to prevent wars between the people when you have no rules preventing the wars

Rules prevent wars, no question about that. World War I and II were because of the lack of rules, which is what fascism is about right? You take away the rules and you get rich people controlling everything, people working for breadcrumbs, so taking away rules actually makes rules.

>being sardonic isnt a solution.

Oh I don't think anyone is being sardonic here. Cynical sarcasm is not my cup of tea. Maybe...maybe being satirical works instead. Maybe everything I've ever was and known was nothing more than a satire.

I agree that 3rd party candidates shouldn't instantly be dismissed but the problem is, Gary Johnson is also a complete retard.