Rome (in its prime) has magically appeared in Westeros and seeks to build its empire

Rome (in its prime) has magically appeared in Westeros and seeks to build its empire.
How does it fare?

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ceasar sits on the iron throne 2 weeks later. literally just march rome's legions on the red keep.

Right now? Probably pretty well since the whole continent is destroyed from war. I'm not really up to par on my roman shit but the only force that would really stand a chance are the Tyrells, Dany and POSSIBLY the Lannisters

>dragons

Something like this assuming there's no dragons around.

For reference. At its height the Roman army consisted of roughly 450,000 men. Obviously also siege weapons.

They'd shit on everything and everyone if it weren't for the dragons.

>For reference. At its height the Roman army consisted of roughly 450,000 men
HAHAHAHA NOT EVEN FUCKING DRAGONS WOULD HAVE A CHANCE

Imagine a Roman military led by Alexander the great

Considering the advanced military tactics they used I would imagine half would be enough

how did the dornish survived agains the dragons?

Alexander wouldn't be crazy about the Roman military really.

Romans never used a lot of cavalry which was always Alexander's strong suit.

Why did Roman Empire get steamrolled by bunch of savages, Goths and Huns?

Guerilla warfare. They'd abandon castles and cities. They also refused open combat unless they had a huge numbers advantage.

coz they live in the saharan everest of something

This. Dragons need to eat a lot, apparently, to survive and it wouldn't be too difficult to avoid them by heading to remote desert strongholds.

Nothing lasts forever.

>literally "fuck your arrows m8"

How large would the armies of Rome be at this stage? I imagine they'd have to adapt for awhile, but eventually succeed as they mihjt have superior numbers and definitely superior strategy to anything we've seen on the show yet.

multiculturalism

Also, nice trips famalam

Various things. Turns out having an empire that runs on loot doesn't really work out in the long when you run out of places to loot.

Every man would die, until we had a female Caesar

Downsizing of the military, really.

Once Commodus (I think it was Commodus, maybe Caracalla) made Roman citizenship universal, it kind of robbed enlistment in the army of its incentive. Most people opted for lighter duty in the auxiliary corps and as time wore on, the armies got smaller and smaller as the barbarians caught up in terms of siegecraft and tactics.

The Sasanid Persians in particular adapted well to Roman fighting styles and beat them repeatedly.

Even in the books everyone is strategically retarded. It's always lead from the front charge with heavy knights then a bunch of peasants backing them up. Stannis is hailed as a great general but hasn't done anything super impressive.

considering we've just seen ramsey use a shield wall, they're basically as tactically advanced as the Gauls, so basically the romans would stomp their shit into the ground until they're nothing but bloody mud

Not really. Multiculturalism was never Rome's problem, it was kinda the disparity between Rome itself,and to lesser extent Italy, compared to conquered provinces.

Nonsense, by the time the Western Empire fell, the legions were composed of the same barbarians as the invaders. Rome lost because it wasted it's strength in generations of ruinous civil wars, and because of the short-sighted policy of "feoderatti", where barbarian tribes were settled inside the Roman Empire on the understanding that they would defend the Empire from other barbarians. They didn't, they just conquered themselves a nice new homeland inside what was the Empire.

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wat

When? As in in what time in westeros?
Also, do you mean show westeros or book westeros?

Generally rome would conquerand, kills those house leaders, put romans as the equivalent of high lords and centralize their power

So wrong. Multiculturalism was always a strength of the Roman Empire, particularly in terms of its military might.

Rome itself was already a melting pot of cultures during the time of Julius Caesar in the poorer quarters, and a lot of non-Italian men rose to prominence in Roman politics. Trajan was born in Spain, and his trusted general Lucius Quietus was a fucking north African with dreads.

Knowing Romans they'd probably capture Maesters and see if this "magic" has practical use in warfare. Then they'd build roads. Lots of roads.

The show.
Any time period we've seen from season 1 to now that you like.

ROMANS?
What have the Romans ever done for us?

see

>sorely underestimating the power and accuracy of roman ballista and onagers...

Rome... In its prime... Good god

It's the equivalent of pitting a 6 month old embryo against a hippo (the hippo being Rome)

>Rome itself was already a melting pot of cultures during the time of Julius Caesar in the poorer quarters, and a lot of non-Italian men rose to prominence in Roman politics. Trajan was born in Spain, and his trusted general Lucius Quietus was a fucking north African with dreads.
wrong, they had all adopted Roman culture.
don't read multiculturalism as multiracial.

>Westeros' first and second in command

I doubt they've ever had to hit a moving, flying target that can easily close distance and kill those operating the equipment. All they could do is fire everything and hope something hits.

Good goy, diversity is our strength

There were shrines to Isis, to Mitra, to various foreign gods in Rome. You can call it integration of foreign elements into Roman culture itself, but ultimately it was still multiculturalism. Romans adopted what they liked and discarded what they didn't.

It's almost like you think Roman culture at its core was totally unique and not heavily modeled after Etruscan and Greek elements, particularly among its aristocracy.

I'm not saying whether multiculturalism is good or bad, just stating the fact that Rome thrived on its use.

>armored knight cavalry

honestly, cavalry was the primary source of headache for romans. and they never really ran into heavy cavalry until much later. keep in mind romans historically tended to get their asses beat by something new after which they would study whatever kicked their asses and develop a countermeasure to it.

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That's not multiculturalism, though. They literally just gave barbarians land to serve as shield against other barbarians. It didn't work out, but that's beside the point.

Well yeah, alright, but apart from that. What have they ever done for us?

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Fine. Apart from the aqueduct and sanitation. What have the Romans ever done for us?

One of the strongest suits of roman warfare is adaptability. You would need smaug level dragons (intelligence/size) to put the Romans off.

Got dragons are shit tier and would get absolutely wrecked

Literally any emperor except those from Teodosius and after would wreckt the shit out of any Westeros army.

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Is there a fictional medieval empire that could beat Rome in its prime without magic? Magical animals like dragons are ok.

Romans vs Dothraki?

Well yes obviously the roads... the roads go without saying. But apart from the aqueduct, the sanitation and the roads...

Numenor in its prime

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Constantius III and Majorian would like a word with you.

Happy?

Armies of Mordor?

numenoreans are not fucking humans

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saurons army was 100 000 at best rome was 450 000 at pirme

The thing about the Romans is that they coupled power with strategy to tremendous and devastating effect.

For other forces; it's heavily leaning on force over strategy

Both those were literally generals but well, I shall had added a *maybe*.

What did they have like 50k orcs and 100k men? Not to mention shit for tactics.

>That's not multiculturalism, though.

Multiculturalism is the coexistence of two or more cultures inside one nation, which is literally what that was.

The Roman military would absolutely wreck mordors orcs. Morgoths army would probably wreck Rome though

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>are ok

sorry man, my bad

>Numenorians during ar-pharazon era
>morgoths army during the Battle of unnumbered tears
>fingolfin/feanors army during the March
>saurons army

But these are all down to skill rather than strategic advantage

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I think dragons would be the only think that would really fuck up Romans because I don't think they could figure out how to deal with air power that's maneuverable.

Yes alright, fair enough

>Caesar hears about dragons
>Sets a trap for Daenerys
>Her Khalasar dies in the trenches under pikes of disciplined Roman Legions
>Hundreds of high-powered ballistas which were hidden until now kill those puny dragons

The witch king says no

300 Persian army

They thrived on its use until it completely ruined them

>Scorpios
>Balistaes
if anyone can do it, it's the Romans

Heavy cavalry was not a thing at Rome's prime. It was made possible by the invention of the saddle centuries later.

So what's really at stakes here is :

>How Roman infantry & tactics would fare against Westerosi armies and tactics, espcially heavy cavalry ?

They would figure shit out very quickly as they always have. Thats the advantage of being incredibly centralized and connected:
>Dragon attack completely obliterates a part of a roman army
>the romans retreat and send word back to rome
>a high concentration of smart people start getting to work
>someone gets the idea to put ropes to the stakes that the ballista fire
>they get that idea back to the front
>one at a time the dragons are shot down and killed and the army marches on until it finds the next obstacle

It didn't completely ruin them. I'd say it was only a fringe element of Rome's decline.

Internal strife, constant civil wars from the time of Severus onwards and especially during the time of Constantine and after, universal citizenship. Romanization was kind of a passive effect of contact with Rome for centuries but once they made being born in the Empire's bounds enough to make someone a citizen it was pretty much all downhill, militarily and culturally.

Still, the Byzantines did quite alright over in the East even after the Western Empire fell apart.

>movie takes place in Rome
>everyone speaks English
>they say "testudo" instead of "tortoise"
Why is this allowed?

Persians had heavy cavalry also the Seleucids.

Have you tried yelling out TORTOISE? That's why.

In terms of tactics, man power, rank based designation of military responsibility and general strategy, the Romans are well ahead of anything we've seen in Westeros.

They are at a technological disadvantage however; roman steel was not of the same quality as high medieval era steel and they lacked full plate armor, which Westerosi knights seem to use in abundance. However, the majority of Westeros' armies are extremely poorly equipped levy troops, so it would only be a factor in cavalry charges.

If the Romans could adapt and deal with Weserosi heavy cavalry then they would almost certainly have the seven kingdoms sewn up. Their ideas of citizenship and social mobility would probably be welcomed by non-nobles anyway.

Fuck you that was the easterners
Fuck you that was the greeks

even dornish sandniggers were able to take down a full grown dragon with actually capable rider

>he doesnt know they had saddles back then
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddle

It feels good. Just did it many times. TORTOISE

Literally almost every problem you described was exasperated or caused by multiculturalism

You absolute madman.

Folds at the first knightly charge.

Remember boys
>Romans.
>Cavalry.

i think he means hoses backs weren't strong enough which is why early warfare used chariots until breeding created horses strong enough to carry soldiers and armour

It amazes me how comfortable they were with shitting without barriers/walls.

The Persians had some heavy Calvary. There was no point in fielding Heavy Calvary because it was expensive and didn't do the job much better than medium and light Calvary while also getting wrecked in the calvary engagement.

Proof? See Calvary warfare until the growth of the knight which would want MAXIMUM protection for himself against the better weapon tech

In addition to what those user's added, the differing cultures formed their own sects within the army and as a result they failed to efficiently work together when needed, each group vying for itself.

One way to look at it was multi-culturism essentially killing the Roman military OR the lack of efficient integration of different cultures into the Roman military.

A lot of people claim "HUR DUR MELTING POT" without realizing these people largely gave up their native culture to become roman as opposed to remaining as a person of their native culture and just benefiting from having roman benefits.

>the Severan wars, Constantine's civil wars
>caused by multiculti
no

did rome use light calvary? because celts at that time were still using chariots

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