Hey amifags what do u think about Obama care?

hey amifags what do u think about Obama care?

It wasn't enough. We need "free" universal healthcare. The money is there, we just can't take off the insurance lobbyists' leash.

hope Trump will make it better

Hey won't

can't make it any worse.

It's a step in the right direction, but it ends up fucking people over who already don't have much money to begin with.

is it so bad?

My fucking premiums are through the roof, fuck Obama care and fuck people that don't pay their fucking own way.

>the money is there
Just kill yourself now.

Only the very rich and the very poor believe shit like this because they have no dog in the race. That money you think is magically just there comes right out of everybody's paychecks. The government's ONLY source of income is taxes.

Free for me since I'm a minority kek

paying $1600.00 per month when it used to cost $650.00.
being overcharged, paying a family rate for two people. have to take employers insurance.

sure kid. on mommy's insurance are we.

Quit your bitchin boy

yawn.

And there it is, one race being favored over another. When the niggers scream "racist" they should be looking at obama and anyone else in favor of obama care.

The reason premiums are through the roof is because Republican governors refused to expand Medicaid. They're literally fucking people over to spite Obama.

>The government's ONLY source of income is taxes.
Found the 12 year old

>medicaid
So higher premiums or higher taxes, fuck off entitlement fag.

Don't have it. The cost for a family is fucking ridonkulous. Talking like 1200 a month for me. I went with a HSA and haven't looked back.

Did you happen to glance in a mirror or what?

Has yet to effect me personally in any way whatsoever. I pay around $150 a week for much better insurance through my job. Is Obama care that bad really?

Rather high taxes then premiums, cunt.

>paying $1600 to not die
>land of the free
>mfw

My premium was $70 a month before ot's $550 now with a higher deductible. Fuck Obamacare.

There is no difference twat. If the premiums are because of a government mandate, they are fucking taxes.

Sounds like you are also a kid
> retard

Of course you would rather high taxes, you probably don't fucking pay any. Rich fuckers and poor fuckers don't care about taxes but god fucking forbid they have to pay something out of pocket. The working man takes a hit either way. Fuck Obamacare and fuck liberal economic policies right in their entitlement assholes.

Based on his 60 minutes interview, he ain't doing shit about shit.

He has now said, in some places, a border fence is enough. That sounds like a broken campaign promise to me.

It's the direct reason I'm paying a higher premium right now and my deductible is astronomical. I got unlucky this year and needed a lot of medical care. Unfortunately because my deductible is so high I'm essentially broke now paying it off. What all that boils down to is Obama's changes took money out of my pocket and gave it to someone without a job who can't afford to pay anything. Thanks.... I'd be better off without a job right now... would qualify for more benefits.

Found the 7 year old

>Land of the free
>It's expensive as fuck to not die of simple shit

I've recently had my back fucked up badly.
Shortly after that I've had medication that costs a shit ton of money.
They did some tests on me and I had an operation pretty quickly after that.
To top it off I'm currently in rehabilitation.

When it's all over I will MAYBE receive a bill telling me I need to pay 10€ per day in hospital / rehabilitation for up to 28 days per year.

Meaning IF I'm unlucky I'll have to pay 210€, but my back is completely fine.

Meanwhile in merica you still die of the flu or shit like that. What the fuck.

Higher taxes are cheaper you selfish prick

Well, it covered my girlfriend's father when they found his stage 3 cancer. He was able to get the surgery and therapy he needed.

All in all, the healthcare system hasn't destroyed the country... or really had that noticeable effect on anyone except saving people's lives. I'm just tired of the Republicans in Congress wasting time they could be using for more important things on trying to repeal it. They've tried like 70 times.

Because people care more about fucking over democrats trying to bring in universal healthcare than they do about citizens in the states. It's easy enough to distract republicans from this by warning them that their guns are going to be stolen in the middle of the night, or that minorities exist.

yawn.

sure kid

Not to the working class.

you sound like a butthirt loser to me.

The single best piece of legislation ever devised in America, but racists won't agree for the simple fact that it was implemented by a black president.

yawn.

Jesus, that is some strong b8...

sure kid.

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trips of truth have spoken!

My premiums used to be $55/mo, my co-pay was $25.

Now I don't have insurance because I was laid off. Obamacare or not, it means nothing. Access to healthcare is still limited to the wealthy. Everyone I know with insurance won't use it because the co-pay is too much.

what is obamacare? eurofag here.

so you are a child then. no surprise there.

It is a fucking catastrophe. I know many doctors that retired early or stopped taking insurance all together to avoided dealing with all the regulation. Cash only offices are WAY cheaper it's just a shame that we HAVE to carry insurance as it cost more then some people's housing cost for something Nobody can afford to use.

Kek, you're probably right.

It's actually a law to have health insurance here ;)

The issue is with big pharma and "the swamp" that donald now says he's going to drain of career politicians and lobbyists who wont let gov't cut into their kickbacks. It's a good idea and should have worked but people and corporations are greedy.

The regulations surrounding our health insurance companies.

a law so good congress made itself exempt from it.
what does that tell you.

Better than nothing, but hamstringed by the same Republicans who wrote it.

US politics is retarded as fuck

obamacare makes it against the law for a small company to hire full time employees.

This is retarded.

Obamacare has the government pay for health insurance of non full time employees. This is doubly retarded, especially if you look at point 1.

The fact of the matter is the government can do one thing to save health care in this country. Make more doctors!

like a fuckton more, 20x more doctors.

Stop requiring 8 years to make a doctor, bust the American Medical Association union and create 5x more Residences per year. Fill up all the unused residences with foreign (first world) doctors until medical schools start making more doctors locally.

You obviously don't have to pay the premiums that go with it, do you? Mine have almost doubled.

I have mixed feelings for it.

On one hand, it was a step in the right direction but it was also a failure. We really need universal healthcare.

Money really is not a problem for our government. We already spend more money on our military than China (which literally has the world's largest land army). We would not have to raise taxes to support a universal healthcare program as it would be cheaper to run than Obamacare.

It's simply ludicrous that everywhere else in the industrialized world this is a basic thing but the the United States can't even stomach even bringing it to a debate.

The fuck is your problem? Sounds like you could use some healthcare coverage for that massive stick up your ass.

It's pretty gay. I really don't want to pay for you when you get a giant dildo stuck in your ass because you're dumb.

not a step in the right direction because it does nothing to stop health care in the US to be 6 times more expensive than in europe for worse care.

you want to fix health care? make more doctors. 20x more doctors

It's increased the cost of health insurance for many people, and health insurance is now mandatory.

While outright exploitative plans have been banned, deductibles are often so high that the only thing they cover is catastrophic injury or illness.

While it helps some of the poor (essentially by putting them under the wing of a single payer system), most people are still reliant on finding a job with good benefits, and employers are anxious to chisel away as much of that as they can.

While the intentions were good, it's become a tax paid directly to the industry that made our healthcare system a living nightmare.

The law is so massive and unweildy that no single person could understand it in a lifetime of study, and it was passed so quickly that most of the lawmakers probably didn't even read an outline of the bill.

Medicare/medicaid was already a disaster, and a blank check for the healthcare industry to fleece the country.

Unfortunately, the republicans will probably just cook up another, even worse alternative that throws poor people under the bus and makes an even bigger handout to the insurance companies (because the retards don't know the difference between "throwing money at big business rent seekers" and a free market).

Why can the UK make it work then you tit?

OP here:

I'm a germanfag and cant imagine that the health system can be so bad in a country like America, i mean wtf ...

I live in California and get the Platinum Plan for only $4/month.

Before obamacare my company had a "cadillac" plan.

no deductibles for anything, free prescriptions, 6k for weight loss, IVF covered etc etc.

obamacare came and told my company my plan was against the law. Seriously? not happy

UK does not artificially restrict the number of people who are allowed to become doctors so health care is six times cheaper for better care.

Because they have higher taxes moron

Preventative health care saves tax-payers millions of dollars every year. If you treat a problem before it requires surgery or gets really bad then you save money on the process.

It's pretty fucking simple

America not only requires doctors to study for 8 to 16 years (instead of 4 to 6). They artificially restrict the number of doctors that can be create each year.

doctors make 200k+ a year, but the rest of us are screwed

>They artificially restrict the number of doctors that can be create each year.

why?.. dont get it..

wow. that was a terrible come back. even by Sup Forums standards that was sub par. completely cringeworthy response.

Thanks for the insightful comment. Enjoy sucking Trump's micropenis for the next 4 years.

It would certainly be nice to have more technicians for procedures like setting a broken bone.

The AMA is the most abusive labor cartel in the country, but they get a pass because everyone wants to believe they're being doctored by Tony Stark instead of a miserable bookworm who thinks he'll score lots of pussy when he's done with schooling at age 40.

You can obtain very good healthcare in the US, but the profit motive leads to weird things (ie, whole state of the art clinics devoted to helping wealthy people manage mild addictions, while poor addicts are jailed).

And if you don't have a lot of money, or a very generous benefit plan from your employer... well, best advice is "don't get sick". You probably won't be left to die in the street, but a major illness can still ruin your life for a decade.

And even then, they're bled dry by tuition, make way less money as residents, work insane hours, and pay for much of their own malpractice insurance. There's a reason so many prefer to go into obtuse specialties rather than being the family MD that 90% of us need day to day.

Supposedly to maintain strict quality. In reality, it is to keep salaries high.

Piss poor at best! My premium went up 40% and my deductible doubled for "the same level of coverage" a premium jumping from $310 a month to $430 is complete and utter bullshit. Couple that with 7.5k deductible and you may as well pay cash for any medical service. The real clincher is the HSA, you don't get one! They claim that because the deductible is only 3k (but the max out of pocket is 7.5k) they don't have to give you the option of having an HSA. Bunch of cunts

>The AMA is the most abusive labor cartel in the country, but they get a pass

with health care going to shit it is about time that they stopped getting a pass.

Expanding the residence program so that foreign doctors could come and practice here woud be a good first step

Yes, rates have gone up. Once it's repealed they will increase fourfold with caps and $50000 deductibles. Courtesy of President Micropenis.

steal from the working poor to give to the lazy poor.

What would you rather have: enough income, freedom and choice to make good and informed choices about your healthcare or government Healthcare, which is neither free nor high quality?

If you chose the former, congratulations. You're not a moron, but you're not going to get what you want. If you chose the latter, you're a moron and you're going to get what you deserve.

>pay so much for health insurance that you can't afford to pay out of pocket for a doctor's visit
>government fines you for not buying a product from a private company

It really is one of those things that's so insane it's hard to believe. The only excuse is that they thought the individual mandate would lower premiums by spreading out the cost to lots of healthy people... they were so disastrously wrong, and now the dems have to cling to it like they're climate change deniers.

It is good for the parasitic poor and the rich. For the people that work for a living....nopenopenope.

The American Medical Association is the countries most powerful union.

They make the government restrict the number of doctors so that doctors get "the paycheck they deserve"

have you noticed how nobody is speaking against this bullshit? nobody messes with the AMA

Those plans cause health insurance costs to skyrocket. Who do you think pays for those perks in your cadillac plan?

my company was happy to pay for it before obamacare.

I have yet to understand why obamacare made them stop

This is why healthcare should just be a public service. Nobody should have to worry about going broke because they need to take care of their bodies. And because health insurance is the same cost no matter your income, the people who are poorer end up paying a much greater percentage of their money towards it then those who are rich

I would rather have the worst form of Obamacare in America, than a small paper cut in Eurostan.

What would you rather have? Corporations trying to screw you out of as much money as possible for your healthcare or the government providing guaranteed healthcare with no surprises?

and they live pretty nice lives.....why cant we pay a bit more too? Too greedy?

Hey non parasitic poor here, I'm a farmer my family is either farmers, work in a stone quarry, or local high-school teachers. Thanks to obamacare my family has medical insurance for the first time ever. Seriously, my great grandfather died of a staff infection, and we were paying the hospital bills till about 6 years ago. Obamacare sucked for anyone who could afford healthcare before, it was great for everyone else. Trump is going to take it away, and because of it we might just have to put my grandpa down. it's what you do if a horse has a bad knee right?

get a load of this retard

Pretty much, also lack of empathy

dubs and truth...a powerful combo

If instead of obamacare, health care was six times cheaper (like in europe) you would be doing just as well

forget obamacare, make more doctors (like in europe). We need to demand that the residence program be expanded

>get appendectomy
>left hospital within 6 hours of surgery to avoid insane room costs
>get bill, $16,000
>insurance covers $7,000
>'murica so gud

great comeback. Your support for your disagreement is very well rooted in facts and reason, and not at all based on personal attacks in hope of shutting down any opposition.

This kind of ability to debate is the reason Libtards won the electi...oh wait.

>pay a bit more
you are assuming that if we pay a "bit" more we could be like europe.

We can't health care is six times cheaper there.

Sorry pulling a dildo out your ass isn't preventative care.

In europe the same procedure would have cost you 2600 if you did not have insurance.

It was great for everyone else, except in all of the states that didn't expand medicaid, where now the poor not only can't afford it, but pay a fine for being too poor to afford it. Not only that, but the premium spikes, and all of the providers leaving co-ops are making it shit for everyone. So it might have been good in one specific set of states at one point in time, but now it is shit for everyone. I hope to god Trump gets rid of it.

Well if pigs could fly Bacon would be a delicacy. Yeah if it were just flat cheaper if be fine watching obamacare go. Honestly how did trump get the lower class vote. He's never been one of us, and his businesses rely on keeping us out. Ever seen a hillbilly in a casino? How bout a 5 star hotel? How about luxury property in new York? Just goes to show all you have to say is border control, military, abortion and Republicans will do anything for you.

dont staff infections come from fucking chickens? parastite farmer scum