Is it easier for girls to date? Like, if I went to a bar I would have to approach someone, but if I was a girl, I could sit there, and there would be at least a few guys who would approach me.
I wish I could do that. I wish that girls would approach me in that way. I realize that the girls who would do that would probably not be attractive, but at least I wouldn't be spending the night alone.
its the double standard faggot. get used to it.
Beta.
I'm definitely used to it, faggot. Doesn't mean I can't wish things were different.
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Do you, though? I assume in your fantasy the girls approaching you are all 8+/10 but if you want to make a charitable analogy imagine all the girls you would overlook when scanning a room. Now imagine those are 95% of the people that approach you. It's actually nice to be on our side of things. When a girl gets approached by you, she already assumes you think she's worth it.
it#s easier for them to get dates but not to go on dates because they dont often find those beautiful none fuckfest dates anymore, make yourself or future girl a present with flowers and pralines if you have 1-3 dollars
get to know her interests
they often struggle with themself..
and
Hey
Dubs noted but what in the fuck are you trying to say?
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You didn't finish reading my post did you user? I literally said that I didn't think they would all be attractive.
I need to feel wanted. I need to know someone wants me. I don't care to approach a stranger, my anxiety won't allow that.
It's not really about the ease of getting approached, it's about getting approached at all. I want someone to choose me. I need it. I would rather date someone who chose me than someone that I chose.
>i wish girls would approach me in that way
They do just not you because you are a beta faggot and/or ugly.
Get gud
I mean, I have been with plenty of women. I fucked a lesbian a few times. I'm still friends with her. Tonight she had a circle of guys around her, trying to get her number.
Troll harder, nigga.
U responded I
Sorry, missed the last part. Well, I guess keep putting yourself out there in high yield locations. Maybe some drunk slag will do the work for you.
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as you get older it will, i stopped trying to approce chicks and get more friends who are chicks. Now i get more action due to the fact that i can hook up with their friends or people they meet ;)
fucking bullshit people say that you should not have female friends, its the fucking best literally
I have plenty of female friends. In fact, most of my friends are women. The problem is that they are all in relationships/married, so they aren't going to want to go to a bar with me to meet people.
Damn, and they don't play matchmaker with you? Bad friends. Are any of them religious? Maybe they'll "take you to church" if you feign interest.
Now imagine actually telling chicks this. That's how beta I am.
How does one attract a dominant woman?
Money.
Femanon perspective here: trust me when I say that unless you're the kind of cunt who uses guys for free drinks, it's not peaches and fucking cream to be a chick in a bar.
First of all, if you're just trying to have a fucking drink with friends, you can't do anything without a bunch of cunts trying to pick you up. Walk in, you got eyes sizing you up. Grab a seat, you got guys trying to get a seat with you. Go to the bar, you got guys trying to pick you up. I'll be sitting there with friends, even my boyfriend, and I've got sleazy cunts asking me for my number.
As a chick, if you say no, you legit have to hope that the guy doesn't react badly. I was at the bar with my brother, having some drinks, and this douchecanoe starts trying to pick me up. I tell him I'm not interested, and he calls me a cunt and walks off. At the bar another night with some friends and another cunt tries to pick me up. Tell him no, and he spends the rest of the night sitting close, standing close, even bumping into me. I tell the bar staff and he gets kicked out, but then he's still there hours later, waiting for me. Had a bunch of male friends walk me home because I was scared for my safety, and two of them had to make the guy stop and wait so he wouldn't see where I lived.
It's no picnic, dudes. Trust me.
sauce on pic
I get approached more by guys than I do girls.
You could say it's unfair that girls get more attention.
Or you could say it's unfair that women are constantly harassed by douches.
Try visualising someone you'd love to be and carry yourself like you think they would. What would x do in this situation. It refines who you are and will give you confidence. That could make you more attractive
So you'd rather be lonely and unnoticed?
> but if I was a girl, I could sit there, and there would be at least a few guys who would approach me.
>I wish I could do that.
you should go get prothestic boobs and take horomone therapy.
What is difficult about walking over to a girl? If she approached you, you would still have to talk to here to get laid. A girl decides if she will fuck you within the first 5 seconds of meeting you, all you have to do is not say someting retarded to ruin it.
It's a lot different when you know she's interested in you. Makes it easier.
I don't doubt that it has it's drawbacks, but given my situation it seems better than what I've been dealing with.
>girl approaches you
>proceed to not say something retarded
>succeed in getting girl
>approach a girl
>she turns you down
>approach a different girl
>she also turns you down
>people notice this
>they start laughing
>you will never get anywhere in that bar again
>have to find an entire different bar to restart the process.
>never find a place with that good of chicken wings again
Literally all you have to do as a girl to get "dates" or someone to try and pick you up is stand still at any place
Even easier on social media, for instance sometimes I watch live stream of football matches and as soon as a girl post whatever idiotic comment crossed their mind, tons of guys spam the chat trying to talk to her? Granted 90%are ugly but the point still stands
Look at this bitch: There are plenty of ways for girls to ditch guys, she could give them a fake number, fb name or whatever but she likes the attention, but she likes even more faking suffering about it
I could bet my life she is the kind of cunt that gets messages from creep weirdos on fb, but instead of blocking them she answers every other week or just opens them and let's he guy keep "annoying her" so that she can complain about how awful it is to get attention
Turned down by 2 girls and you're already going to a new bar? I promise everyone there has been turned down at least twice, including the girls, at one point in their life. Don't mind so much what other people think about you.
Did you even bother to read the full post retarded nigger?
>Is it easier for girls to date?
Yep... unless she has unreasonably high standards.
Yes, it says
> idk how to read body language
You're all missing the point. You want women to come up to you because you get to fuck women. They get tired of men coming up to them because it's men. What is the real world value of being "fuckable" and approached by lots of people if you aren't interested in any of them?
Hence the forever struggle of hot girls having hot guy crushes and ugly guys having hot girl crushes.
Hot guy is really the top of the food chain. Not hot girl.
Sleep tight
So...
> hot guy
> hot girl
> ugly girl
> ugly guy (avg Sup Forums poster)
That about right?
>hot guy
>hot girl
>ugly girl
>ugly guy
>you
Y u mad though?
Who needs to be mad to insult a random on Sup Forums?
Carry on
Idk I would say the hierarchy goes:
Sup Forums user>ugly girl>ugly guy>hot girl>hot guy>rich guy
the double standard exists because porn industry (that is, 99% Jews) convinced us that:
- women are sluts
- then virginity is an illness to be cured
- then when you'll settle on a woman, you'll never find a virgin one
- then men are not only "free to", but also "required to" pump-n-dump until they decide to fall in love and settle
- then sex action is all about performances, techniques, expertise, high quality... basically, it's like expecting at least a Ferrari from any random car maker
- the unavoidable feeling of having married a slut who checked quite a number of dicks before yours, also implies the availability of divorce (or cuckoldry), because you feel restricted by a marriage that stops you checking other dicks/vaginas
- sluttiness and pre-marital sex also imply that women can choose how to market their own genitalia (and they do it quite well)
- thus divorce becomes a minefield as well
- next generation is never better than the preceding one
- goyim society slowly destroyed.
How to revert this mindset? Let's see what happened 100 years ago:
- non-virgin nubiles were considered sluts
- men only settled for virgin women possibly with housewife qualities
- women only settled for men having a job and a good reputation
- men and women raced to get their own "good to marry" status quite before 20yo, then fucked like rabbits for entire decades
- there existed no "sex incompatibility" because two virgins starting from scratch just adapted each other, without being hassled by the Performance Expectations Techniques Novelties memes coming from the porn industry -- they just fucked like horny rabbits, and you may not imagine what's like having a spouse, a house, a steady income, and children, when you're barely 17, and grandchildren when you're barely 35 and still horny as fuck and yet with your spouse who perfectly knows everyone of your smallest kinks and fetishes and there's not need for tricks to amaze.
I don't go to the bar to pick up or get picked up. I go to have drinks or see a band with friends. Just like I don't go to the library to get picked up. Or the supermarket to get picked up. Or the doctor's office to get picked up. Or a video game store to get picked up. Or a book store to get picked up. Or anywhere to get picked up, really.
I get this is Sup Forums so I shouldn't be surprised that social rejects like you think like that about chicks, and think it's our fault for not being into you, but try and stay with me here: I've given out so many fake numbers that I couldn't keep them straight, but guys call you there and then to make sure it's not fake. You give out fake social media details, and they look you up there and then to make sure you're not faking them. On at least a dozen occasions, they've got angry or violent afterwards. Shit, I shouldn't have to give out fake details - I should be able to say "No thanks, appreciate it, but I'm not interested.' And then you, as the guy, should be able to calmly say "That's cool, have a nice day" and walk away. No snide comments, no calling the chick a bitch, or frigid, or a slut. No getting angry or violent. JKust accept it and move on.
And you know what? I do get messages. I get pictures of people's dicks in my inbox all the time. I also get threats, insults, and all sorts. From people I have never met in my life. Sometimes I block them, sometimes I string 'em along and publish the details for the keks. See, here's the thing about fucksnakes like you: if a chick plays you, it's her fault for being a bitch. If she blocks you, she's a bitch and curtailing your freedom of speech or some bullshit.
You reckon? Getting harassed by cunts all night, not being able to leave your drink alone while you piss because someone might spike it, being genuinely concerned that someone might flip out and punch you in the face for not wanting to go out with them?
then why the heck do you feel you need to go to the bar?
seems like you don't have any shortage of the usual "social set" (a bf, a brother, friends), and yet you feel you can only have a drink in a shitty place pestered with desperate girlpickers
Yeah, still seems better than being alone with my anxiety. I'm really not doubting the drawbacks.
But the alternative is like Morrissey said, "You stand on your own, and you leave on your own, and you go home, and you cry and you want to die". You can still get a body to be with when you go to bed. It's not hard. I really need a body to sleep with. Any body. Not sex....a warm body to sleep next to.
Because I should be free to go anywhere I fucking please without being harassed and threatened by people, shouldn't I? And this isn't one bar, it's every bar or pub I go to. It's the library, it's the doctor's office, the supermarket, the art gallery, the park, the gym. This is what women have to deal with.
stop fucking talking like that its too late for most of us and we dont wanna hear that kinda shit
but you first have to understand that she's actually interested in you way more than in free drinks.
and -believe me- it ain't easy, bro.
also, if an ugly girl approaches me, my brains execute this software:
>ugly girl interested in me
>then it means she hits every available dude in this bar
>I'm just her 37th fuck
>she just wants to get a bf and will do anything to frame a guy into a relationship
>if we have sex, she won't stop thinking about some Chad's performance, some fantasized Nigger, some previous guy "that was better at sex action", and so on
>basically, it's me doing her a favor allowing her to use my penis to fill a blank in her Excel spreadsheet
>I'd rather escape *now!* before finding me in some unwanted relationship
- "Cap'n, our boat is sinkin---"
- "Shut up! I don't like bad news!"
Well, if you're at a point in life where you're so bad with people that you honestly think it's easier to fantasize about being a woman to make getting picked up simpler, you're probably a lost cause.
I'm legitimately so glad that the MGTOW and MRA groups are gaining so much traction at the moment. It removes so many of you social rejects from the dating scene.
i used to have a friend that every time we went out girls would talk to him.. he found it so annoying.. he wasn't good looking, didn't have a job.. i dunno what it was.. it was strange tho never seen anything like it.. girls would just walk up to him and give them their numbers or ask him out, he always would say no tho.. he reasoning was if a girl would come up to him they would ask anyone lol..
Get professional help
>I've given out so many fake numbers
you just need to have a dual-SIM cellphone and a fake facebook account associated with the disposable cellphone number. when he calls there and then, you just turn on the second SIM.
every few weeks, when the disposable number is filled with guys, you just scrap it and start with a brand new one.
your true facebook profile won't sport your actual face.
the fake facebook will have your surname slightly modified. it only needs a very few pics of you - the ones where your face is so little and the panorama is so big, you don't have to fake anything other.
you'll simply be using the fake number and fake fb 5 minutes per day.
you'll enjoy having a huge shitload of orbiters and delusional Chads spending a lot of time while believing to have your attention. Some of them will go as far as posting your pics on Sup Forums and desperately asking: "moar? more? anyone? dubs get her fb, trips get her number". Some super-delusional will even be sure to have recognized you in some camwhoring website.
And even years later, some super-beta fag will post those old pics again and again here begging for "moar, full set, anyone, contacts?", because you were the only girl in his life giving him your cellphone number.
you are right to complain about supermarket, library, park, artgallery and doctor's office.
but if you go in obviously social mating places - any bar or disco, almost any gym - you're just asking for it.
>a banana is free to go anywhere, but looses the right to complain if going to a crowded chimpanzees meeting.
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Nope. Sorry. You're wrong. A bar or pub isn't a social mating ground. It is a dispensary booze and tunes. A gym is a place to work out. I should not, as a woman, be forced to avoid places I want to be just to avoid being harassed by people who don't understand social cues or know when to walk away, simply because social rejects have it in their heads that my right to be alone or be with my friends are overridden by their self-perceived right to bug me
I mean, when I'm at the gym, headphones in, tunes blaring, and I'm trying to beat my PB for running on the treadmill, that is not an invitation to talk to me or ask my number. No matter what I'm wearing, since guys seem to think that fitness clothes are an invitation.
These betas amiright?
Ah, now you're sinking to that level. Like, do you honestly believe you have a right to harass women in public and they have a requirement to listen to you? Do you really believe that is your right?
You're not forced to avoid these places. But you should expect to get attention there. Guys go to bars to pick up girls. If they just want to drink, they just buy a 30-rack at a gas station and watch football at home. If you're at a bar and you expect not to get hit on, you're a retard. Same with a gym. You're one of the only girls there, unless you go to one of those "fitness centers" with nothing but treadmills. If you go to a gym and expect not to get attention and attempts you initiate conversation from guys, you're a retard. They have the right to try and chat you up. You have the right to deny them. But don't act like you don't expect male attention, or even secretly bathe in it like every other roastie.
Okay. So yeah, you legitimately think that you have the right to harass women, and that they are required to tolerate it because they're in a place you believe to be your hunting ground. So, tell me, do you also believe that if you approach a woman at a bar and initiate conversation, and she politely tells you she's not interested, that she didn't have the right to say no, and should entertain you even though she doesn't want to? Do you believe that if she says no, you have a right to be upset, or angry, or call her a slut? You have a right to punch her in the mouth, toss a beer bottle at her? Stand around staring at her for hours until she leaves, then follow her home?
>oh trust me it's not easy being a girl
>you get showered with attention everywhere you go
>especially bars
Then... stop going to bars? You'd kill yourself if you started getting the same treatment as men ie completely ignored because you aren't the top 1% most attractive. And this is coming from one of those top 1% most attractive.
I bet you use that 'you don't wear a meat dress to a lion's den' analogy to justify yourself, right? Or perhaps the 'you don't wear jewelery down a dark alleyway' one?
You guys are fucking hilarious. You honestly believe that women should just stop going out in public, rather than men should stop being pieces of shit to women.
Of course it's easier for girls.
Stop whining and up your game.
Get off your ass and approach someone, she might even say yes.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
Michael Jordan said that, and look where it got him: Fame, fortune, AIDS; he took what we wanted just by doing it. And he's a nigger!
>you legitimately think you have a right to harass women
Yes, it's called free speech. It is not illegal for a man to walk up to any human being and attempt to start a conversation. It is also not illegal for that human being to tell them to fuck off. Deal with it like a normal person instead of whining and bitching that people are paying attention to you.
Also, I can only conclude at this point, that you are, in fact, retarted. I said in my last post a man has a right to approach you, and you have a right to deny them. How did you jump from that to verbal abuse?
No one is fucking saying that women shouldn't go out in public you autistic fuck, but if they do they should expect to get attention from men. People are shitty, and will always be. You can't regulate it, you can't fix it, and you can't ban it. You can only live with it like a normal person.
Are any of those analogies wrong?
No, you as an individual can not be a dick to women and can tell your friends it's not cool to harass or stalk women. That will in fact change things. Attitudes and behaviors change over time.
That first sentence doesn't make any sense. I think you used a wrong word or two. And no, Trump winning the election proves that you can't change things with sheer social pressure. SJW's and feminists scream at everyone and call them sexist and misogynistic. Does this solve the problem and make all men respectful and kind to women? No, people backlash against the abuse and elect a man who's said "when you're rich you can grab women by the pussy." And he's not even wrong in saying that. It's true.
>A bar or pub isn't a social mating ground
are you retarded
You're just reveling in this attention aren't you? Anyway, like I said in , you'd kill yourself if you stopped receiving this attention that's just "so difficult to deal with, ugh".
The gym thing, I can understand that. Sometimes people actually go to the gym to work out, rather than be noticed. But the bar? Are you serious? "Not a social mating ground"? We both know you know that's bullshit.
I... didn't say that. Like, at all.
You're just buttblasted because you know I'm right. Women have life, in general, so fucking easy and specifically dating? It's so fucked that a literally retarded girl can have more success than the majority of guys.
You have it easy. Just accept that. Like a rich kid or a lottery winner, you have it easy and you've done nothing to deserve it. Now that's not your fault, but you can't honestly expect me to feel bad for you because these massive benefits you live with come with extremely minor inconveniences.
ITT: roasties getting mad that they're getting the attention they secretly crave
Seriously? You're going the 'free speech' route? Jesus cunting Christ. You understand that 'freedom of speech' doesn't actually give you the right to say whatever you like, right? It just means you can't be prosecuted by the government. It's also not all-encompassing - it doesn't mean you can harass someone in public. It also doesn't guarantee you a platform for whatever bullshit you're about to say.
I don't know what's sadder - the fact that you're justifying your harassment of women by calling it 'free speech,' or the fact that you're saying that it's 'not illegal.'
Yeah, you got a right to come up to me at a bar and ask to have a conversation, but you, my fellow retard, are entirely missing the point. The point isn't whether or not you can or should speak with a chick at the bar or gym. The point is that dudes like you think it's your right to do so, regardless of the social cues or situation, and you get yourselves all butthurt right up the colon when girls exercise their right to tell you to fuck off.
I might be sitting out in the beer garden on a lovely Tuesday afternoon, a pint of beer, some bar snacks, headphones in, and books out to study. Some dude will walk up and take a seat, not seeming to understand the cues - I have headphones in, books out, and I'm concentrating. Normal people see that and leave you alone. Most dudes don't - they try and get your attention. So say I take out the headphones, and dude says "Hey, how you doin'? Mind if I join you?" and I say "Sorry dude, I'm sitting out here in the sun, just trying to do some study. Kinda need to concentrate." All I expect is for the dude to say "Oh, sorry, no worries at all. Have a good day, yeah?" and go about his own business.
Like I said, approach me all you like if you can't pick up on basic social cues, but don't get upset if and when I say no.
Hahaha. Seriously. You dudes keep on blaming women for your lack of ability with women.
I never said I harass women, I never said I disrespect them or any of that, you jumped onto that route.
And you must be retarded. Free speech DOES give you a right to say almost anything you want in public. Free speech DOES give you a platform for "whatever bullshit I'm spouting." What do you not understand about this concept?
You keep trying to say that I think it's my right to harass women in public, trying to drive it home. I don't even talk to women aside from my mom, my sisters, and my girlfriend. I don't go to the gym. I don't go to the bar. I don't converse with women almost at all.
I never, ever once said you didn't have a right to reject a man when he initiates a conversation; I clearly stated at least two seperate times that you're entirely within your rights to do so.
No one ever said you don't have a right to say no. No one ever said you don't have a right to reject the guy. But the moment you try to say it should be illegal for a human to come up to you and engage you in a conversation for whatever reason, you are WRONG.
you sound like a total cunt, are you mute irl? because if you're not, i really question the sanity of these guys who hit on you
why the fuck are you acting like every guy that ever approached you tried to murder you or something. get real cunt
Yeah, and I'm trying to push home just how fucking bullshit it is for chicks. Problem is, people seem to be under the impression that if I want to avoid being picked up, I should avoid going places. And then shitcunts start resorting to insults because it's easier to do that than to face the idea that maybe, just maybe, you should start acting like men and not like butthurt little boys because women have it so easy and we're all cunts for wanting to be left alone when we're trying to have a nice night out.
>AIDS
You're thinking about Magic Johnson
The best part about all this is how you continue blatantly rejecting the reality you live in. You are (I presume) an attractive female. As an attractive female, you WILL get attention from members of the opposite sex, especially at bars (social mating grounds) or the gym (where wearing tight fitness clothes inevitably shows off your body.)
Men WILL try to engage in conversation with you. You cannot do ANYTHING about this, except not go outside. That is the REALITY you live in. You can not change it, you can not control it, and you cannot regulate it with laws making things like human contact illegal. You simply have to face it and deal with it.
Look on the bright side. You'll never have to deal with crippling loneliness. You'll never feel ignored. You will always be given some form of attention wherever you are. You will always be recognized. This is the life you were born into. You can bitch and moan all day about the attention you get, or you can simply deal with it and enjoy the benefits and ignore the downsides.
You find it shitty that guys shower you in unwanted attention. Life is shitty. Suck it up. You simply deal with a different flavor of shit than everyone else.
you seem more like a bored dude than an annoyed woman.
bars were born to dispense booze -- then they just became the place for sex seekers. And you can't change it by denying.
it's like the dress code -- if you dress like a slut, then you're recognized as a slut.
don't be a fat SJW -- if you know that a place is "harassing", you shouldn't enter it. This is just common sense.
Bro, I dated a whore unknowingly once. It never really sunk in till one day she said
>It's easier for a girl to have 10 boyfriends than it is a guy to have 2 girlfriends
Red flag right?
So I did some investigation. Turns out this bitch had led me to believe she had 2 jobs but was juggling 6 different guys including myself. Fucking for money and shoplifting to sell the shit at flea markets.
>women should just stop going out in public
well, why not?
"going out in public", especially in known "pickupping" places, while dressing as a slutty whore, just keeps horny men doing what they've always done.
Maybe you should give it a try: preserve virginity and only marry a virgin guy sporting good job, education and reputation.
Have horny guys choose -- force them to choose either wrecked sluts, or traptrannies, or a good wife for life.
>You SJW's are totally functional to porn industry, because you want the cake and fuck it too.
Wow you sound like a fucking whiny bitch. I hope someone spikes your drink and rapes you
How many times you got rejected.?
Youre obviously retarded. The dudes who approach girls in bar are almost exclusively disgusting. It is indeed easier for girls to get laid, yes. But then they lower their standards, because theiir type usually isn't the one hitting on them.
As for dating, no. Not easier. You don't find a date in bars anyway. You really need to stop being a needy h , since you obviously are desperate and would take anything, which is why you can't imagine a girl doesn't want to fuck everyone.
Wow, your level of neediness is beyond me. Kys or something. I once picked up a girl at a club, and that was pure luck. Fuck clubs or bars, you go there to have fun with friends, not to pick up girls. Usually doesn't work for anyone and thus is bad for your mood. Still tho, if you're not a needy whiny bitch and an ugly cunt, you will still get enough action.
>actually believing that
Ishygddt
So, you're telling me that you never had sex, right? How autistic you have to be to think that society is that way, people that unlike you moved from their parents basement have sex for fun, and marry for love / financial stability, we don't care about how slutty we and other people are / were.
Are you actually this retarded? Do you think getting hit on by sleazy disgusting dudes is wanted attention? Something to bathe in? Just what the fuck are you using your brain for, because it sure as fuck ain't thinking.
Do I bathe in all the chubs wanting to bang me? Fuck no, why would I.
>actually believing memes
that society just granted:
- sex to teens (as long as they were husband and wife) for decades
- no sex and no easy life to sluts and fappers and guys who didn't have a job
Truth
Women are sexually more valuable than men. They suffer worse than us for this, let me explain.
When you are inherently desirable, you make zero effort to cultivate/improve yourself. This is why most women are empyu, vacuous retards, with little to nothing going on in their heads.
This is why women have barely contributed anything to the world next to men.
Women are human beings, men are human doings.
that men have to strive towards greatness or expertise in a field makes us great. Women don't have to do anything. they sit there looking pretty, watching the kardashians. There's no"glass ceiling" above women, it's jsut that,as a general rule, they are mostly incompetent people.
I would gleefully full on white night for a girl I've never met if I heard a guy talking like this to a stranger in public while actually harassing them. You would be on the floor so fast, what a fucking loser. You guys really lost this thread at the end here. There's nothing wrong with approacing girl, but if she givws you a wierd look or tells you she's not interested, you back the fuck off.
I'm have anxiety too bro , but i can assure you , you can do it ... its just in your brain
Like wtf ? I guess it depend on their personality ... ,i would just smile and walk away personally ..