Always remember what it could have been

Always remember what it could have been

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too bad he'll go senile for 2020 election

Communism
Yeah, we remember that in eastern Europe. It was so much fun

Yeah. Go back to daycare now.

Socialism is not communism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

Please stop being so clueless about politics

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>socialism isn't communism

"The goal of socialism is communism." -Lenin

"Socialism isn't communism" is a tired ass meme. Let it die, just like communism and socialism are destined to do. Stop being naive and/or edgy. There's nothing edgy about socialism anymore. It's just silly and childish.

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A social democracy isn't socialism either.

Socialism are communism are two different things. that's a fact.

First of all, you need to understand that the US already has many socialistic policies - the question is not whether the US is socialistic or not, but the question is how much socialism do you want.

And i think the US is right now in a need of more socialism - free education always leads to better society

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It was fun until the US came and destroyed the communist way of life. Most of my old relatives want to go back to the days of East Germany.

Why are you against free education user?
Why are you against billionaires paying more taxes?
Why are you against raising the minimum wage so that people who work all day long can afford decent life?

That's the vision of bernie sanders.
And it is my vision, too.

Yes it fucking is. You just get to vote for the politburo. It's called reading. It literally says that it's socialism in the first three lines. Keep trying this revisionist bullshit. It's still socialism, and it's still retarded.

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Stop being clueless about politics.

Again, the US already has socialistic policies. the question is not whether you want socialism or not, the question is how much socialism do you want.

And the US needs MORE socialism to stop the billionaire class from fucking up the working class

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Yup, dodged a bullet there. Phew

I stand corrected. I thought it was retarded before, but I wasn't aware that socialism consisted of a myriad of different ways to implement it into society. I thought for sure there was only one way - as done by Eastern Germany (which some of my Coworkers come from) or Cuba.

My bad.

You do not understand the full scope of the issue, user.

There are people who worked their entire life and still barely make a living.

There are people who were billionaires their entire life and they want to pay as little as possible to workers, even if it means the workers will barely make a living.

why do americans not know there's a difference between socialism and communism?
socialism is exactly what america needs right now

>claims social democracy isn't socialism
>claims others don't understand politics
>still believes the corporations are evil meme

K bro

Grow up

Side effects of cold war propaganda.

A lot of Americans are still genuinely (and pathetically) afraid of the red scare.

Nope, that was me.
And I apologized here

1. I never claimed social democracy is not democracy, that was a different user. my claim was that the US already has many socialistic policies, and that the question we should ask is not whether the US should become socialistic or not, but how much socialism do you want.

2. Corporations are actively corrupting the political system of your country as we speak. stop being a corporate apologist

Sorry but no. We really need to privatize our already existing (and terribly inefficient) social systems.

1. I never claimed social democracy is not socialism, that was a different user. my claim was that the US already has many socialistic policies, and that the question we should ask is not whether the US should become socialistic or not, but how much socialism do you want.

2. Corporations are actively corrupting the political system of your country as we speak. stop being a corporate apologist

Corporations are evil by every possible definition and metric you can measure it by.

Groups of people should not be held to lower standards than individual people.

f.a.g.g.o.t.

Oh look, another entitled, delusional millennial who thinks he knows all of the things. This is new and exciting.

How's that privatised healthcare system working out for you? You're happy with triple prices for the sake of privatisation?

And the government is not corrupt right? Only the corporations.

All is forgive user

Either you trust corporations to be ethical, or you trust the state to be ethical. Since neither possibility is ever going to be valid, I prefer to limit to the power of the one who points guns at the people.

Fucking bootlickers everywhere

Corporations are the ones who are corrupting your government, genius

Why is it an either/or-thing?
Shouldn't it be both at the same time?
Since people aren't ethical, it would be strange if people in a group were..

only a liberal loser would think this way.

Yeah, by asking for tax breaks to relieve the tax burden that shouldn't have been placed on them to begin with.

It's not about trust.

There are currently laws in the US which enable corruption. the united states have basically legalized bribery.

And that's what bernie sanders is fighting against

democrats don't recycle.

Fighting how? By buying a vacation house funded by his PAC? Or endorsing one of the most entrenched career politicians ever? Was it by syphoning cash from basically a fake school he started? Yeah this rich old fuck from Vermont is really sticking it to the man. From his vacation home.

Libertarian here, recycling is retarded anyways. But +1 for pointing out the hilarious hypocrisy in the democrats.

>Government enables corporations
>fix with more government

Crooked Hillary saved us from that

His tax plan was absolutely insane unless you're a clueless 20 year old

By literally writing the laws and then faxing them to congressman so they can shill the law for them.

I remember one time the congressman forgot to remove the lobbying companies header off the fax and he got shouted at a little bit.

Corporations do not need you to defend them. Small business', your community and your family would all be better choices for your loyalty.

Small business become corporations when they aren't strangled to death by the tax man. That's how a market works. That's how literally the most economically successful system ever (capitalism) functions.

Do you read anything that isn't on breitbart?

You're thinking of Trump.

I'm a libertarian not a republican you fucking bootlicking faggot.

Fascism wasn't that bad of a system. It's just the stigma of nazi Germany comes with it. But think about how fast Germany recovered from how shit they were left after the treaty of Versailles

Better dead than red, faggots.

I don't think you know how capitalism works, it's about competition. By it's very design no matter how well you do only one in a million small business' can become corporations.

You seem to forger that the principles of capitalism were founded before things like corporations were physically possible. Adam Smith would spin in his grave if he knew how we've bastardised capitalism.

You are ignorant and therefore working against your best interests.

Trump has a somewhat decent plan in comparison

Bernie had a pants on head retarded tax plan

You can say it, but that doesn't make it true.
In 4 years time, when people are starting to remember what the wild west felt like, you can admit to your mistakes.

It is true though

4th grade math is all you need Sup Forumsro

bernie is not even a socialist let alone a communist

how did communism go? it was spectacular for the country until the warhawk us and the warhawk ussr leaders decided to have an autistic war

after ww2, america was actually moving toward socialism. it was a worker centric society. progressive income taxes, inheritance taxes, there were taxes so you could hoard or squander wealth. it was a great time for the workers

your evil communist propaganda doesnt really work when you look at the evidence instead of rely on feelings and horror stories

bernie had no plan, he was making it up as he went along. he wouldve been terrible for the economy. this is coming from a socialist.

ex1) he wanted to tax businesses more. businesses arent wealthy, the owners are. he didnt understand the problem is with the owners not the business. businesses keep their profits around 10% thats not a lot to tax

ex2) you cant raise minimum wage unless you do somethibg about the owners cutting jobs/raising prices as a result

bernie was the best optiin but he was still clueless

The fun things about facts is, you don't need to believe them to make it true. In 8 years time, when America is at the peak of progress, you can admit your mistakes.

Americans are just plain stupid. /thread

You are aware that the US have about the same public spendings per capita as European countries like Germany. Just that there pretty much everything health care related is payed by the state.

But in addition US private spendings are about 4 times the sum of every other European country with decent health care.

Just admit that you like getting fucked in the ass.

>implying he hasn't already gone senile long ago

Fuck off, you condescending manlet.

Always remember it was the DNC who tossed him infront of the bus because they thought they could win this with identity politics

Not true, in Germany 11% are have full coverage by private institutions, another 24 Million citizens have additional private health insurance.

That 4th grade math should be telling you he's going to double the defecit or crash infrastructure, one of the two

Bernie is fucking retarded. He would not have been a good president.

>In 8 years time, when America is at the peak of progress, you can admit your mistakes.

And if it is I will. But it won't be. Enjoy rising rates of infant mortality and increased income inequality in the mean time.

>Why are you against free education user?
Not free
>Why are you against billionaires paying more taxes?
>Why are you against raising the minimum wage so that people who work all day long can afford decent life?

Because it isn't free, it'll require tax increases for everyone, just taxing billionaires extra isn't enough

Because if you make tax evasion by offshore companies harder or impossible there is so much more to gain then by taxing a few wealthy individuals more

Because a higher minimum wage will lead to companies hiring people in other countries against lower wages meaning less jobs for Americans are left behind

Everytime I hear people supporting Democrats notions of taxing wealthy individuals while not mentioning offshore tax constructions for companies I imagine a mule being coerced by a carrot on a stick to transport a cart full of carrots where the mule is the person supporting tax increases for the wealthy but doesn't give a shit that Apple is able to avoid taxes on US based profits in some backwater island where like 100 people live where taxes don't exist

In and of itself on the tax aspect, yes. Along with health care reform? No. Health care alone represents something like 18% of the economy.

You're going to witness extraordinary growth unlike we've seen in decades. The deficit argument is moot since our debt is designed to never be paid back

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>You're going to witness extraordinary growth unlike we've seen in decades.

I admire your optimism but pity your naivety.

And believe me the defect matters. You think China's gonna buy any more of your debt when it halvs in value over only 4 years?

Bernie is a jew, what did you expect

>it wasn't even REALLLL COMMUNISM
>trust me i'm 21, can't get a job, and read like half of the manifesto
>it'll be sweet bro

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> pretty much everything
Reading is hard, isn't it? Not everything is covered by public health care. But all major stuff.

If you wanna chose your doctor, have a private room in hospital,... that's what private insurances are for.

Also public insurance still pays the major part of a treatment. Private insurance just covers the difference.

Man that's life. There will always be people with shit luck

sigh. im not a democrat but thats not what they did at all. you idiots just keep spewing the same propaganda again and again.

dnc gave it to hillary bc it was her turn and she was an insider with banks and corporations. they gave it to her exactly bc they thought they didnt have to play identity politics to win. they wanted 4 years of democrat establishment. that is why they gave it to her.

im not sure why you use identity politics to slam anyone, trump and the right do the same thing for white christian males. both sides appeal to certain groups they think they can get the vote of. thats the unfortunate nature of politics.

the 1% owners own most of the world. if you prevented them from hoarding wealth, you could pay kids to go to school, pay for healthcare and still have a ridiculous amount left over. the concept is fine but like you said, you have to get them on tax evasion. also need to do something to prevent wealth hoarding.

but yes, if you get the owners, youll get plenty of money.

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Checked

No. That doesn't matter though and has no relation to the president at this point. It has to grow or the whole thing collapses. The question is how much they take out of your pocket. Trump will take less.

>shit has always sucked. No sense trying to improve anything.

Oh. Right. Thanks, user.

al gore?

:'(

You have a problem with freedom, m8?

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Socialism: great in theory, awful in practice.

I hope this thread is full of teenagers, if not we are doomed

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NYPA

Dumbass.

>I'm a libertarian