How comes western rightists hate leftists and love antiglobalism simultaneously while the latter is predominantly leftist idea and movement (because globalization basically enriches capitalists in first world the most and allows golden billion to rob the rest of the world with transnational corporations). I don't get it.
How comes western rightists hate leftists and love antiglobalism simultaneously while the latter is predominantly...
Alexander Evans
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Adrian Hughes
It seems as though they favor some strange combination of nationalism and socialism.
Lincoln Thomas
>Leftism
>coherent and well thought out
Elijah Price
It's almost as if politics isn't just either or.
That's really strange, user. We should get someone to look more into this.
Joshua Martin
>russian and he stıll doesn't use «mıllıard»
I don't get ıt.
Andrew Hernandez
>implying that Marx is not coherent or intelligent philosopher
Wew
I don't think they care about western corporations exploiting the rest of the world or world inequality. Trump is climate change denier while ecology is a serious concern in antiglobalism.
Jackson Richardson
>rightism
>well thought out and coherent
It doesn't make sense to elect a reality tv star that's had 3 wives because you believe in traditional values. It doesn't make sense to cut taxes, protect entitlements, and increase military spending when you campaigned on cutting the debt.
David Watson
>mıllıard
There is Russian word milliard which means billion in English. I speak English here so I use billion.
Justin Baker
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that or 1 thousand millions.
Cooper Brooks
I don't get why western leftists and rightists hate globalization so much when it's western culture that is winning out. You can go on google street view and see ads, in English, for western products in bumfuck Africa. Here's a fucking KFC ad in the middle of Ghana. The USA is the most invested in country in the world en.wikipedia.org
Sure, if you lived in a place where your native language is literally being replaced by English and domestic companies are dying every day because of western protectionism while demanding you open your markets to western countries, I could see why you'd oppose globalism.
Xavier Gonzalez
That's a big tree
Hudson Baker
Everything in Marxist thought after the 19th century has been finding excuse after excuse to justify why Marx's predictions failed
>middle class
>deindustrialisation
>communist revolutions occurring in the least, not most, industrialised nations
That's a good point to make, since I'm not even sure that "conservatives" know what they're supposed to "conserve"
Nathaniel Thomas
Because globalisation has inevitably lead to the centralising of economic power and the creation/expansion of winner-take-all systems
>Our poor benefit from having cheap products to buy
Except the bloody-minded obsession with muh cheap products has blinded globalists to the significant growth in other costs, i.e. higher education and healthcare. This isn't even getting into the skyrocketing private debt burdening the lower classes.
Gavin Hill
>Because globalisation has inevitably lead to the centralising of economic power and the creation/expansion of winner-take-all systems
You don't have to make that much money in the first world to win out on globalization.
>higher education and healthcare.
This has nothing to do with globalization, this is because of privatization.
Brody Johnson
>This has nothing to do with globalization, this is because of privatization.
>Globalisation and the collapse of domestic industry has nothing whatsoever to do with the growth of college enrollment (and resulting debt), and the cultural expectation that a university degree is the only really secure path to the middle class
Bentley Scott
Being a leftist myself, it depends on the rightists.
You can be right libertarian believe in globalisation, i.e free trade, and free markets lmao.
Nazism isn't socialism, m8
Nicholas Hughes
This. Antiglobalism in Russia is a natural thing. Antiglobalism in the West is retarded because you're those whose culture is spreading worldwide, whose languages are spreading worldwide, whose corporations are taking over the planet.
Gabriel Lopez
>right libertarian
'no'
Jordan Turner
>>Globalisation and the collapse of domestic industry has nothing whatsoever to do with the growth of college enrollment (and resulting debt), and the cultural expectation that a university degree is the only really secure path to the middle class
This has more to do with technology making individuals more productive, and raising barriers to entry for most careers. Anti globalists, at least in my country, haven't said anything about helping people adapt to changing technology and raising barriers to entry. I don't see how putting tariffs on everything to make everything more expensive will help people like me, non college educated white males. Your point also didn't mention healthcare at all.
Brody Myers
>Anti globalists, at least in my country, haven't said anything about helping people adapt to changing technology and raising barriers to entry
Because despite the inane jabber of "the experts" a lot of the time there's not much you can do to help people "adapt" to globalisation - what's an otherwise-skilled 50 year old supposed to do if they lose their job to outsourcing or automation? "Just work as a greeter at Wal Mart, brah!"
>I don't see how putting tariffs on everything to make everything more expensive will help people like me, non college educated white males.
I don't think the hollowing out of the Rust Belt and rural America has helped non college educated white males either, but I bet you heard fuck all about that until this election
>Your point also didn't mention healthcare at all
To be fair isn't half the problem of American healthcare that hospitals have to subsidise bludgers without insurance that drop off the face of the Earth once the bills sent out?
Luke Long
Different from most western countries our left is nationalistic and our right is cuck globalist. Strange world isnt it
Jaxon Jenkins
"Collapse in domestic industry" in the West is just a meme. Only shit industry has collapsed because it's benefitting to move unqualified jobs to less developed countries. They would do the same job cheaper. High tech industry has stayed in the West. All our industry depends on the Western machine tools, ton of other machinery, many electronics and other shit. You all can see your export trees to see industry being a bug thing - but high tech industry.
Obviously they have moved abroad assembly jobs, sewing sneakers and t-shorts, and such a shit. But it's natural. Since the birth of humankind retarded industries has been becoming a shit countries thing while developed countries were moving forward. Steam machines after 1950s were produced only in China, Americans started importing cotton in 19th century, Brits were producing most of clothes in colonies since late 19th century etc.
Ayden Thompson
Left in the West are antiglobalist, same as rights. Those are liberals who are globalists everywhere. It's the same thing all over the world. Left wingers and right wingers tend to be antiglobalists. Liberals are globalists everywhere. Sup Forums is just under influence of American culture where they call liberals left because they have only two major parties and it's easy to call democrats left and rebuplicans right.
Andrew Hughes
>But it's natural. Since the birth of humankind retarded industries has been becoming a shit countries thing while developed countries were moving forward. Steam machines after 1950s were produced only in China, Americans started importing cotton in 19th century, Brits were producing most of clothes in colonies since late 19th century etc.
In almost every instance the original industries arose thanks to protectionism - there are good arguments that the rise of "free trade uber alles" arose in the UK and later the US in response to their domination of the industries that they would later lose (to Germany/the US and to China and other Third World countries respectively)..
And what China is trying to do right now is protect their fledgling industries that initially rely on cheap copies, then invest proceeds in emerging technologies with high barriers to entry after which they collect monopoly rents for their specialized products.
That's why all this direct investment in China has been so disastrous, too. Companies hand over expensive R&D to the Chicoms while building the necessary production facilities for them. This allowed the Chinese to cheaply replicate Western crown jewels while our corporations saved a few meager bucks on wages
Parker Reyes
>Because despite the inane jabber of "the experts" a lot of the time there's not much you can do to help people "adapt" to globalisation - what's an otherwise-skilled 50 year old supposed to do if they lose their job to outsourcing or automation? "Just work as a greeter at Wal Mart, brah!"
Obama put forward a bill to retrain coal workers for more relevant jobs, but Congress didn't pass it because muh budget. There are things we can do, triggering a trade war by putting tariffs on everything is not beneficial and won't help those unskilled 50 year olds. Obama tried that, he put a tariff on Chinese tires. China responded with a tariff on chickens that cost us a billion dollars.
>I don't think the hollowing out of the Rust Belt and rural America has helped non college educated white males either, but I bet you heard fuck all about that until this election
I'm guessing you're only assuming this because of your image of leftists you've come up with in your mind. I've been subscribed to a number of youtube channels like Democracy at Work for a while now that have been talking about this for a long time now.
>To be fair isn't half the problem of American healthcare that hospitals have to subsidise bludgers without insurance that drop off the face of the Earth once the bills sent out?
Yes, our anti globalist politicians have proposed anything to fix this problem either.
Logan Hall
>In almost every instance the original industries arose thanks to protectionism
And we've grown wealthier the less protectionism we have. Less protectionism = we can specialize at what we're good at and outsource what we're not good at, making every country more productive and wealthier.
China is also cutting down tariffs/barriers to entry for countries that they're trying to court as allies. They're proposed building 50 something SEZs in foreign countries and have already started the groundwork on building them. Anyone is open to invest in these, they're not China exclusive. China isn't as anti free trade as people think.
Hunter Stewart
>Obama put forward a bill to retrain coal workers for more relevant jobs, but Congress didn't pass it because muh budget
Retraining is the 21st century equivalency of "Let them eat cake."
>"Why can't a newly-unemployed 50 year old just learn a trade or go to university for 4 years and compete with 22 year olds that did the same thing straight out of highschool?"
>China responded with a tariff on chickens that cost us a billion dollars.
And the environmental costs of China cutting corners everywhere for advantage, and the cost of shipping those goods across the world, where does that factor into the equation? "Out of sight, out of mind"?
>I'm guessing you're only assuming this because of your image of leftists you've come up with in your mind
I was talking about the MSM, which doesn't bother covering that sort of thing, because it's better to have another thinkpiece on why the tech industry "needs" underpaid H1-Bs because Bill Gates says so
Ayden Diaz
>And what China is trying to do right now is protect their fledgling industries that initially rely on cheap copies, then invest proceeds in emerging technologies with high barriers to entry after which they collect monopoly rents for their specialized products.
Tried in 00s. Now salaries in China are higher than, for example, Russia, many Latin American countries and higher than actually at most of the world. Kinda like 700$ on average. So they move their shit industry to SEA and Pakistan now. I haven't seen Made in China clothes for ages, most are produced in Vietnam, Pakistan, etc. (I also see sometimes Made in Portugal clothes here, lol).
Nolan James
>>"Why can't a newly-unemployed 50 year old just learn a trade or go to university for 4 years and compete with 22 year olds that did the same thing straight out of highschool?"
Again, this has more to do with technology that trade. And Obama did propose giving everybody 2 years of community college for free, which would help these people a lot. Guess who opposed it? The anti globalists.
>And the environmental costs of China cutting corners everywhere for advantage, and the cost of shipping those goods across the world, where does that factor into the equation? "Out of sight, out of mind"?
The anti globalists in my country outright deny climate change, put a climate change denier in charge of the EPA, already repealed regulations about polluting rivers, and openly praise China's policies about the environment (the tweet about global warming being a Chinese hoax to prevent us from implementing laws like they have).
>I was talking about the MSM, which doesn't bother covering that sort of thing, because it's better to have another thinkpiece on why the tech industry "needs" underpaid H1-Bs because Bill Gates says so
How many hours a day do you spend watching CNN/MSNC/ABC/etc? Or are you just going off of what your media tells you about "the media"?
Isaac Gomez
>tech industry "needs" underpaid H1-Bs because Bill Gates says so
They actually issue a very small number of H1B visas and those are issued mostly to IT jobs. It's difficult to move to USA with H1B visa. Well, it's difficult to move there at all 2bh, the only chance for most of people is winning green card.
Noah Cruz
>because it's better to have another thinkpiece on why the tech industry "needs" underpaid H1-Bs because Bill Gates says so
Uganda expelled Indian workers brought over because there weren't enough highly skilled native workers. It put their economy in ruins. What makes you think the US will end up any better if we stop the H1B program?
Adrian Jones
>Guess who opposed it? The anti globalists.
I can't say I know too much about the intricacies of US politics, but I'm guessing it was the Republicans that vetoed it, and that many of those "budget hawk" Republicans probably aren't quite as protectionist as you imagine them to be.
>The anti globalists in my country outright deny climate change, put a climate change denier in charge of the EPA, already repealed regulations about polluting rivers, and openly praise China's policies about the environment (the tweet about global warming being a Chinese hoax to prevent us from implementing laws like they have).
Wait, what "globalism" are we talking about? Because I doubt a Republican advocating slashing environmental laws to compete with China think the US should simultaneously increase tariffs/barriers to entry to boot
>How many hours a day do you spend watching CNN/MSNC/ABC/etc?
Yes, I'm sure media companies that arose thanks to massive consolidation over the last two decades are neutral if not hostile to globalisation. I guess the dogpiling on Trump over being an "economic illiterate" for questioning globalisation was in my imagination
>Uganda expelled Indian workers brought over because there weren't enough highly skilled native workers
Because those Indians had become integral to the Ugandan economy in a way that H1-Bs - despite the protestations of Silicon Valley and universities to the contrary - aren't
Ryan Long
>I can't say I know too much about the intricacies of US politics, but I'm guessing it was the Republicans that vetoed it, and that many of those "budget hawk" Republicans probably aren't quite as protectionist as you imagine them to be.
That's true, but most of them are now pretending they never were like that because they want Trump's favor.
> Because I doubt a Republican advocating slashing environmental laws to compete with China think the US should simultaneously increase tariffs/barriers to entry to boot
But that's literally what they're doing, and what Trump is saying.
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Yes, I'm sure media companies that arose thanks to massive consolidation over the last two decades are neutral if not hostile to globalisation. I guess the dogpiling on Trump over being an "economic illiterate" for questioning globalisation was in my imagination
You didn't answer the question. And no, Fox (biggest cable network, can't quite claim they're not mainstream given how mainstream conservatism is now) is quite pro Trump/anti globalization now.
>Because those Indians had become integral to the Ugandan economy in a way that H1-Bs - despite the protestations of Silicon Valley and universities to the contrary - aren't
Then why are Indians being brought over? They have the highest average salaries in the US, they aren't being brought over to lower wages.
Noah Ramirez
What makes PT nationalist?
Ryan Walker
In Australia our Liberal party is conservative and retarded while our "left" Labor party is also conservative and retarded.
Politics, man. I suppose at least here we are able to watch them during parliament question time being broadcast on free to air TV, so the nation can get an idea of just how fucking stupid the people we are forced to vote for really are.
Ian Campbell
the fact they arent cucks, appeal to our national culture and industries and want to reduce inequality