Prove you are not a cuck liberal that is dragging the world down

Prove you are not a cuck liberal that is dragging the world down.

I'm a cuck anarchist dragging the world down, thank you very much.

Same here.

The world is going down of its own accord, stop pretending politics has anything to do with it faggot

Get a job and study economics you fucking hippy

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daily reminder that all politicians are the same

>"We should be free! But property is theft. So we should have a central organization with a monopoly on the use of violence in order to protect our egalitarian freedom... but it's not a government!"
Left anarchism is an oxymoron.

also, all governments are essentially the same

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For the most part. Especially the American mainstream

Authoritarian faggots should kill themselves.

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Agreed.

That's how I think it should be.

What a bunch of feminist level cunts in Sup Forums nowadays.

Well, There would be no monopoly on violence, as it would be collectively owned. So, we would all have a reason to make it work.


Also, the term Libertarian, was coined by a left anarchist in the 1800's

Based Friedman.

MA Economics here.

So everyone would be equally justified in the initiation of force? What would you do to someone wishes to keep the resources they created?
Also, collectivism in all forms is logically inconsistent. If you don't believe in self ownership (the belief that you alone own your body and the products of your labor and action) then to speak out against it would be to exercise self ownership and moral agency. Which you claim doesn't exist.

busting it down barney style for you kids.

kill yourselfs. fucking cancerous economics killing the world economy with your idiotic ideology

edgy xD sieg heil (hope my mom didn't hear that)

Undergrad in software engineering then an MBA.
I'm just a fraud.
Freidman and Mises my nigga.

This is the only true chart, faggots.

Normally i'd disagree with being among the other sub human trash, but dubs never lies :(

muh nignogs

Same.

>idealistic idealogues

Get a brain, and study philosophy you fucking slave.

>"Freedom is bad. Humans are bad and will destroy the world when given freedom. Communism, man."
Tough shift at McDonalds?

Please great Rossiya come

Shh don't tell economistfags about critical thinking, they might actually rethink and save capitalism if you do

if they rethink they wont save capitalism, they will abolish it

How do I free myself, wise sage?

>What would you do to someone wishes to keep the resources they created?
In my view, they would just not be entitled to the other resources, if they are found to be hoarding

>So everyone would be equally justified in the initiation of force?
Ideally use of force would be limited to personal self-defense

>Also, collectivism in all forms is logically inconsistent.
Not really. The workplace could be collectivized but you still retain autonomy over your body.

So, you could have it where, collectively you and your co-workers make decisions based on the product collectively produced.

But, your body still isn't the collectives property, it's no ones, but your self

I'm an anarchist, I want nothing but freedom. Neoliberalism kills freedom for everybody but the financial elite and the 0.1%. Nice try bitch

I love how it's just a tiny bit to the right.

>National socialism more right wing than fucking monarchy
>Monarchy center left

is this a joke?

>then an MBA
Word of advice from someone applying to grad school: don't say you're in until you actually get accepted and start.

master race reporting in

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So all interaction is consensual?
Because voluntarism is the basis of agorism and anarcho-capitalism.

blaze one

I meant to say I completed my program. I DID my undergrad in software engineering then got an MBA.
Got seed money for a generic tech startup idea then applied to Tuck and they loved it.

Not the user you're responding to, but what ancaps always forget to point out is the extreme use of force and coercion used to implement and uphold capitalist relations. Deleting the government won't undo this and magically make the same relations "voluntary".

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Oh ok. That sounds pretty nice.

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Well, not quite. The resource bit would require you to contribute product to be able to take product. Essentially a "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"
So, not quite voluntary, if you wish to live in the commune. But no one's keeping you.

What capitalistic relations are upheld with force? What role does force play in exchanging a piece of gold I mined for a pumpkin you grew?

Right wing motherfucker the world does not need your kind

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>What capitalistic relations are upheld with force?
Wage labor(if you don't work and try to get by through other means you'll either die of starvation or end up in jail), property rights etc.

>What role does force play in exchanging a piece of gold I mined for a pumpkin you grew?

That's a fantasy scenario occurring in what appears to be a pre-capitalist society where everybody's self employed, has nothing to do with real world capitalist relations. Real world scenario:

>What role does force play in a chinese peasant getting his crops enclosed by the state, forcing him to move to the nearest industrial city to toil for starvation wages, where if he strikes for higher wages he'll either be beaten or "dissapeared" by chinese authorities?

Not that user, but, theoretically, force could come into play.

Let's say for what ever reason you lose you job, and after running through savings, you are now unable to pay rent. So, how would the landlord deal with that? Evict you, possibly using force

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So you want freedom? Does that allow for private property rights? Because I should be free enough to tell others to gtfo of my land.

To get that property, i should be unencumbered when taking out a loan. Then, to pay off that loan, I should be able to trade my goods and services for a currency.

I also need to eat. I will trade some of my currency that I worked for and trade it to another for his goods or services in the food industry.

now if you want to not work and just walk around free, you can do that. There are plenty of homeless people that do just that. But why should I expend resources I acquired to help some one that doesn't want to contribute?

not suprised, i'm quite neutral

Are you me?

That's not theoretical, that's what actually happens IRL in capitalism

You cannot consent to losing your ability to consent. Logically, it is impossible to agree to a valid contract in which you agree to have violence done to you if you don't meet certain terms. If you own your body and have moral agency it is impossible to just relinquish that as a condition to a contract. Neither collectivism nor the social contract are morally or logically valid.

True.

Just using it as a hypothetical, as I am not referencing a specific incidence.

One point liberal, guess I should commit seppuku

No not that, I'd like the freedom to be able to fully develop as a human and act of my own accord instead of being told what to do all day at work. This will be done through common ownership of everything and abolishion of hierarchy.

Apparently im slightly communist. Fuck these tests they're retarded.

Sanders spotted. Greeting comrade

So many anarchist scum around... I feel almost comfy

Feel the burn, faggot.

How is this not valid?

>Wake up, apply for a new job.
>Happens to be in a Cooperatively run factory.
>Show up first day
>Takes getting used to
>Each worker has his say
>Go home
>Be able to do what you wish with your body


Also, where did I say anything about violence?
With holding resources due to not contributing is not violence.

As far as wage labor goes, your issue is really with the fact that we must do work to survive. Yes, you certainly will starve to death if you can't feed yourself. Preventing that is no ones obligation but your own. And I completely oppose the initiation of force that you described, just because someone uses force to make money does not mean that using force is inherent to capitalism. The interaction must necessarily be voluntary to be considered capitalism. You can argue the nature of property and wether property is theft but if violent force is being used, it is not capitalism.

That's called Social Democracy

Nothing communist about it

so no more efficient markets. How will things be farmed? Manufactured? Who will do the shit jobs no one wants to do?

You think people coal mine, collect garbage, work in sewers, do things that literally no one would do all day because they like to? Without being paid for it, shit would fall apart fast as it wouldnt get done. You can work and grow on your own. Start your own business. You can grow all day as a person, but if no one wants what you have to offer, you will need to get a job.

>>central organization
try again

I'm just going to leave this here

>capitalism historically has been a history of theft, coercion and enclosure
>"hmm yes, but that must've not been capitalism, since capitalism in theory forbids coercion"

Guessing you're trying to make that age old argument that capitalism is not capitalism but "crony capitalism" or "state capitalism", an argument I think is bullshit since we ahould be discussing the real world and not ideological fantasies.

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Maybe this is the wrong place to ask, but what writings relating to economics should I start with? I only have one that I haven't picked up yet, "Wealth, Poverty and Politics" by Thomas Sowell.

Well first of I don't think there will be coal mines once people outside the corporate elite actually have a say in forming their communities and enviroment. But obviously there will have to be a system of sort of deciding how to split up the unwanted jobs, if not at least there will be great progress made in automating such jobs. Either way it will be better than what we have now, where we're just forcing poor people to do it.

You start at the end of a shotgun. Less mouths to feed that way.

fuck money, get bitches

>majority of governments are right wing
>huuuurrrrr fucking Libcucks

Karl Marx - Das Kapital

That was a very proportionate response.

Though you might have to wade through many shitposts.

kys, faggot.

Whelp

I'll kiss you harder, faggot.

Anarcho-communist reporting in.

Or whatever I am.
Fuck Fascists

politics are a meme tbh fampai

Comrades! Another world is possible!

Yea. One is.

I hope this whole DisruptJ20 becomes bigger than expected. And becomes a proper revolution