Let's be serious here. Why are Anglo empires much nicer than the empires of everyone else in the West? Especially if you count Japan, South Korea, and the Philippines as part of America's. Spain in particular fucked up its empire.
Let's be serious here. Why are Anglo empires much nicer than the empires of everyone else in the West...
Jaxson Taylor
Isaiah Morris
>Especially if you count Japan, South Korea, and the Philippines as part of America's.
top kek
the phillipines is the only genuine american colony, you idiot
as far as development of native population goes, japanese empire, whose primary colonies were korea and taiwan, is unironically the nicest since it encouraged education in colonies unlike in most western colonies.
former anglo colonies except city states like singapore and hong kong are only successful today due to replacement of indigenous population through genocide
Charles Parker
change Israel to an Anglo colony
Ethan Wilson
>Implying Korea is nice due to Japan
Korea is nice due solely to American investment in it after the Korean War. If Japanese influence was important, North Korea wouldn't be a flaming pile of horseshit, since both were owned by Japan for the same length of time.
Easton Campbell
north korea became shit because it was taken by commie which japanese empire was preventing from spreading in east asia by even building the buffer state of manchuko. besides, south korea went south as well after independence (under practical american rule), and it only began economic growth, known as the miracle on the han river, after she normalized diplomatic relationship with japan in 1965 and started to get MASSIVE economic/technological aid from japan.
Alexander Williams
I was unaware of Japan's economic influence in South Korea post-Korean War, sorry. I take that part back.
Parker Diaz
>Spain in particular fucked up its empire.
>not France
Spain spent a shitton of money building and maintaining infrastructure in its colonies and they were actually pretty comfy places until the natives chimped out and turned them into a planetary-scale Detroit after their independence.
France, on the other hand, has mostly produced horrid, hellish shitholes.
Carter Myers
What's the nicest place Spain colonized besides the areas taken by the USA? Is it Argentina? How is it that an entire continent and a half went to shit after Spain left (admittedly Brazil isn't Spain's fault).
Gabriel Jenkins
Nowadays? Chile. It's got a GDP per capita above Poland, so it's low-tier European level. Argentina is about the same level.
>How is it that an entire continent and a half went to shit after Spain left (admittedly Brazil isn't Spain's fault).
Shitskins. Seriously, there is almost a direct correlation with the amount of indians and the wealth of a former colony.
Joseph Allen
>Chile. It's got a GDP per capita above Poland, so it's low-tier European level.
I had no idea about this, thanks.
Hudson Lee
I wonder whether we eat frogs because of French influence or something else, hummm...
Nathaniel Murphy
Uruguay, Arizona or Costa Rica are former Spanish colonies where life is pretty good. Anglo propaganda haa been successful to make people believe that being ruled by Britain means that your country will resemble New Zealand while being ruled by Spaniards results in Honduras. They conveniently forget what British rule brought about in Belize, Guyana, Malawi, Pakistan etc.
Nolan Harris
>whose primary colonies were korea and taiwan, is unironically the nicest since it encouraged education in colonies unlike in most western colonies.
>encouraged education
What encouragement of education?
Does it mean that a teacher wears a sword and teaches education?
Do you mean education to repression of Hangul?
Do you mean education to teaching Japanese instead of Korean?
Do you mean education that does not teach science and politics because japanese afraid of making only one university and promoting independence rituals?
or is it just a fiction in your head?
Cameron Phillips
Not to mention that the Japs only wanted their colonies as a massive front for their drug trafficking operations. Taiwan and Korea were pretty much opium, heroin and morphine production centers under the Japs.
Angel Allen
Japs tried to cuck korea and failed.
Michael Turner
>typical brainwashed korean can't face the reality
Thomas Ramirez
They succeeded. They were stopped only by the USA. Korea (and China) was helpless before the samurai.
Cameron Diaz
>Do you mean education that does not teach science and politics because japanese afraid of making only one university and promoting independence rituals?
where do you think the korean term 수소(suso = hydrogen), for example, came from?
it came from japanese term 水素(suiso), which was taught during annexation period.
Ethan Wilson
>It's Korean vs Jap thread now
OH BOY HERE WE GO
Grayson Cook
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Christian Hernandez
Many western academic terms are derived from Japanese-made Chinese characters.
So what??????? It's just that you did modernization first
If Korea was succeeded in modernization, Korea would have made it.
Nicholas Williams
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Michael Edwards
Money, a better class of scum for colonists, and perfidiously cucking the natives instead of straight up trying to rape them to death
Cooper Anderson
Yeah the lower class for Britain was far better then the other powers then say Spain or Portugal alongside them being much more neglected.
Grayson Williams
I mean Britain's beinguch less neglected.
Juan Cook
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Cant see how it did best pham tbqhwy
Charles Cook
>Korean and hangul repression
In the initial phase of Japanese rule, students were taught in Korean in public schools established by ethnic Korean officials who worked for the colonial government While prior to this schools in Korea had used mostly Hanja, during this time Korean came to be written in a mixed Hanja–Korean script, where most lexical roots were written in Hanja and grammatical forms in Korean script Korean textbooks from this era included excerpts from traditional Korean stories such as Heungbujeon (흥부전)
In 1921, government efforts were strengthened to promote Korean media and literature throughout Korea and also in Japan The Japanese government also created incentives to educate ethnic Japanese students in the Korean language As a response, the Korean Language Society was created by ethnic Koreans
In 1928, as the assimilation policy began to ramp up, the first Hangul Day (October 9) was celebrated to commemorate the Korean alphabet
The Japanese administrative policy shifted more aggressively towards cultural assimilation in 1938 (Naisen ittai) with a new government report advising reform to strengthen the war effort This left less room for Korean language studies and by 1943 all Korean language courses had been phased out Although the government report advised further, more radical reform, the 10-year plan would never fully go into effect
In Korea during the second world war the use of written Korean in education and publication was banned by the Empire of Japan
For elample, Forced to change the Korean lastname to Japanese lastnameand hangul repression
but these did not cause a significant change in the use of the Korean language, which remained strong throughout the colonisation
>This is often called "內鮮一體"
Oliver Parker
you said that japan didn't conduct science education, while japan did conduct it, that's why there are still thousands of japanese oriented terms in korean language especially in the realm of science and technology.
it's a typical korean attitude to this issue.
>korean: "hurr japan didn't give education"
>japanese: "japan did give education and encouraged it, look at this textbooks and thousands of schools japan built"
>korean: "hurr b-but japan tried to kill korean language"
>japanese: "korean/hangul was taught in public educadtion, look at this textbooks and lots of publication in korean"
>korean: "hurr b-b-but that's not from good will"
>japanese: "so what? facts are facts, deal with it"
>If Korea was succeeded in modernization, Korea would have made it.
yeah, and indonesia would have been a superpower as well in such a universe
Brody Lopez
*japanese originated terms
Gavin Gomez
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Benjamin Ramirez
>Spain in particular fucked up its empire.
Spanish Empire was very well administrated and was wealthy as fuck. When they got their independence instead of having good rulers like the USA or being babysitted by England till recently like Australia or Canada, they were ruled by criollos (spanish born americans). And they were a disaster and mismanaged everything. But hey, it's easier to blame spaniards from today than their ancestors.
en.wikipedia.org
>The Balmis expedition set off from A Coruña on 30 November 1803. It may be considered the first international health-care expedition in history.
en.wikipedia.org
>They also established a minutely regulated regime of work, pay, provisioning, living quarters, hygiene, and care for the Indians in a reasonably protective and humanitarian spirit. Women more than four months pregnant were exempted from work.
We are the bad guys but belgians chopping hands never get any shit.
Tyler Edwards
>natives chimped out
Not really, peruvians for example didn't want to get their freedom. Iirc they were even forced to by other nations. Were the guys like Bolivar. Criollos man, ruined everything forever.
>Bolívar was born into a wealthy, aristocratic Creole family and, like others of his day, was educated abroad at a young age, arriving in Spain when he was 16 and later on moving to France. While in Europe he was introduced to the ideas of Enlightenment philosophers, which gave him the ambition to replace the Spanish as rulers. Taking advantage of the disorder in Spain prompted by the Peninsular War, Bolívar began his campaign for independence in 1808, appealing to the wealthy Creole population through a conservative process
Angel Scott
>Spain in particular fucked up its empire
They tried improving infrastructure, promote education, and improve Filipino representation in the empire by the 19th century, but due low funds, and geographical distance from Spain made it very hard to properly implement the new policies especially since the friars were still somewhat reluctant in teaching the language to the natives, since they were hesitant in corrupting the native culture like what happened in the Americas.
Ryder Myers
>Criollos man, ruined everything forever.
The criollos didn't identify with Spain, however; at least they didn't think so when it came to expelling the "Peninsulares" from the Americas
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In any event, however, there weren't enough criollos to effect independence and their "rank and file" were the mestizo halfbreeds. Although it is true that the pure niggers and indians tended to side with the monarchy and against the criollos, probably because they knew what they had in store for them.
Justin Walker
>Why are Anglo empires much nicer than the empires of everyone else in the West?
I think Indians have another opinion.
Ryder Sullivan
Loling at the Korean and Jap fight.
At least they know who's boss though... They both speak English
Bentley Sanchez
Anglo African colonies are really fucked up
Jamaica is a complete shithole
The rest of their Caribbean colonies are very poor and exist only as playgrounds for the rich and as tax havens
Pakistan is one of the most dangerous places in the world
India has the largest concentration of poor people in the world
Bangladesh is a nightmare
Burma is a hellhole where everyone is poor and ruled over by a military junta
The only Anglo success stories are America and Australia and Canada and New Zealand and that's because they genocided the native populations and resettled the land with Anglos
Austin Hall
India is very poor but they have nukes and a space program and booming industry specifically steel manufacturing and pharmaceuticals
If it weren't for China then India would be the next superpower
Matthew Robinson
>Spain in particular fucked up its empire
if they didn't reform so late we would be better off, that, and your meddling desu.
Jace Brown
>nukes
They are meaningless, isolated countries like Iran could be able to have them as well and let's not ignore North Korea.
Also this.
en.wikipedia.org
Connor Martinez
>genocide
there are literally no anglo countries where this consiously happened though
north american native population decline was due to disease, losing heritage intermixing with europeans and being generally outnumbers
in new zealand it didn't happen at all and maoris are still like 20% of the population
in australia you could half argue as there were attempts to kill native culture but even still there are more abos aound today that there ever have been at any point in history
the only place genocide properly occurred was tasmania
Jayden Hughes
>USA
>Not Pink
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Angel Perry
Okay so take everything else into account and you've still got the groundwork for success
They do need drastic population control measures though and yeah they're a long way off but they are still powerful
Mason Flores
As I said before, You have created a only one university for the demands of the Koreans, but it is the fear of independence and excludes science and politics
Following the occupation of Korea, the Japanese administration introduced a free public education system modeled after the Japanese school system with a pyramidal hierarchy of elementary, middle and high schools, culminating at the Keijo Imperial University in Seoul, As in Japan itself, education was viewed primarily as an instrument of "the Formation of the Imperial Citizen" (皇民化) with a heavy emphasis on moral and political instructionDuring colonial times, elementary schools were known as "Citizen Schools" (國民學校; gungmin hakgyo) as in Japan, as a means of forming proper "Imperial Citizens" (皇國民: Hwanggungmin) from early childhood. Elementary schools in South Korea today are known by the name chodeung hakgyo (초등학교: 初等學校) ("elementary school") as the term "gungmin hakgyo" has recently become a politically incorrect term
>The public curriculum for most of the period was taught by Korean educators under a hybrid system focused on assimilating Koreans into the Japanese empire while emphasizing Korean cultural education This focused on the history of the Japanese Empire as well as inculcating reverence for the Imperial House of Japan and instruction in the Imperial Rescript on Education, like this picture
>While official policy promoted equality between ethnic Koreans and Japanese, in practice That did not happen, Korean history and language would be did not taught side by side with Japanese history and language did not studies until the 1945s under a new education ordinance and that saw wartime efforts increased and the hybrid system slowly weakened
>As a result, Integration of Korean students in Japanese language schools and Japanese students in Korean language schools was failed
Also Korean and Hangul repression here