What the fuck happened to Liberalism in America?

What the fuck happened to Liberalism in America?
When did American liberals turn into a caricature of themselves?

Used to encourage science, now go against basic biology by claiming there are multiple genders/sexes
Used to be fore equality and anti racist, now have no problem with racism towards white people and turn a blind eye to it.

Used to value facts and evidence, now any black person killed by police is now due to "systematic racism" they won't even bother to look into the shooting other than blurry or partial videos of the event.
Used to be able to debate and articulate their points, but now uh you're racist and homophobic and islamphobic, can't even debate without baseless name calling

What the fuck happened to this semi decent political ideology? How did it become a farce?

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SJW bullshit i'd suppose, it's created quite a rift

Decadence has made them weak

they were always pushing for this stuff

War had made the ww2 generation strong minded and willed. Without real adversity are men will be weaker and we will be come even more of a joke

Two party system fucks shit up yet again.

There used to be two somewhat centrist parties, one a little more right than the other.

Then the hard right crazies decided they really wanted to be part of government, and hijacked the conservative party.

The crazy lefties saw this and said "fuck, we should do that" and now they're trying to hijack the liberal party.

In the end, nobody wins.

The Occupy movement posed a massive threat. It was hijacked by the establishment with identity politics in order to destroy any credibility and momentum of an anti-wall street transformation of the democratic party and American liberals.

Everyone who doesn't include this is wrong. Identity politics is a way for leftists to feel like they're being leftist while only being so in unimportant ways that won't threaten our actually extremely right wing establishment.

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It serves the double purpose of dividing the liberal movement into several pieces without a cohesive mass.

Really a fucking brilliant piece of social engineering.

Britbong jumping in.

I studied US Politics for my degree. From what I saw throughout my studies was that there's been plenty of those who wanted equality, who voted for Obama to finally try to heal the racial divide.

That didn't happen. Instead, the divide is greater than ever as those in the vocal minority took that opportunity to turn against the many whites that voted for Obama and said that they were racist. That they were sexist. That they were homophobic. That they were transphobic.

There are those that are going to hold those views, and never let go.

But those libtards forgot that the success of the anti-slavery campaign in the 1800s and the success of the recent homosexual marriage laws, is that they relied on building bridges and new relationships.

It relied less on saying 'if you're not with us, you're against us', and more 'are we not a brother and a friend?'.

So instead of getting the majority on their side, they pissed them off. And when they lost, they blamed them, saying that they were racist, sexist, etc...

Nope. They reacted against the rhetoric.

Correct, you also might find this interesting.

Here is what happened you stupid fuck, you went full retard and now your gotta pay sucker

This is what I have begun to notice as well, domestic politics isn't and never has been about being overly aggressive and stonewalling, you have to be open to negotiation and carefully persuade people on the fence to your side.

We let the media give voice to mainstream fantasists and mentally deficient trollops with FB and Twitter accounts.

And it snowballed into this mess.

I'm just going to claim I identify as an asexual tolerant liberal who was triggered by right wing intolerance for my views while I beat the fuck out of the next one who physically attacks me for saying something that "triggers" them.

Smells too much of conspiracy theory and not enough of indoctrination. Tumblr was a fantastic echo chamber that allowed these views to develop, as are many college campuses.

Furthermore, I believe that 'liberal progress' has been pushed by companies trying to gain great PR, rather than enact actual change. I think South Park got it right that language gentrification means we talk about racism, sexism, etc without dealing with it.

Finally, people distrust the media for looking like it pushes an agenda. Look at BBC's latest article on female competitive gamers. Two of their quoted sources have said that their words were taken out of context, but the BBC really needed a bad guy and the gender bias within competitive gaming suited as part of their whole 100 Women feature.

All this ties together to make people distrustful of liberal values. The wage gap might be a real thing, even if it is much smaller than the much touted seventy seven cents to the dollar. But because that fact gets constantly pushed around, then constantly debunked, it makes people skeptical of the rest of the rhetoric.

Thus why Michael Gove can say that people are 'tired of experts'. No, they're tired of perceived bias.

You should know that conspiracies and social engineering are a regular part of American politics. The political establishment has various means of social engineering, all brilliant, all pervasive and capable of being pushed from multiple sources of various kinds.

Collusion between media, politics and intelligence is not something you can write off in our nation, it is a verified fact of our society that has been revealed multiple times when trying to achieve multiple goals.

I believe that the best way to get someone to do something is to say 'you can't do that'.

Fuck me, are people eager to do things out of spite if you do that. Whatever it is, they'll do it.

'You can't go to the moon'. Yes I can.

'You can't go to war in Iraq'. Yes I can.

'You can't vote for Trump'. Yes. Yes I can.

Hillary was less of what she can do, and more of what you can't.

To further drive it home for you, identity politics and general SJW ideology is very unpopular in the US and very divisive that often loses ratings. It didn't change in response to the market, the change occurred and then certain sub-cultures of America followed suit.

It's more complicated than that buddy. The means of controlling a population, choosing a goal and then conditioning them to accept and go along with it are well established and effective. It's application of social psychology on a massive scale.

I didn't, just that I believe that indoctrination was a better answer than a conspiracy. If it was conspired by the powers that be to have Hillary win the election, they would have done it.

liberal politicians sold out and now represent far right ideologies as part of their globalist worship

Give me a goal that of social engineering.

Believe it or not, they tried as hard as they possibly could. You're really good at this, but there's something you miss by not growing up and living here.

Our nation makes efforts to rig elections in other countries and a large part of it is done by using social engineering aside from the actual use of voter fraud. It doesn't work 100% of the time.

You should have seen it. The change in our media from 2011 on was absolutely mind bending. SJW ideology was peppered in everything, from every media source and every position of authority.

Sorry, give me a goal that you would want the people to go along with, and I'll give you a basic outline of how it would be done.

To a degree, I agree. Nothing pushes people more to rebel especially in "the land of the free" telling them "YOU CAN'T DO THAT."

i.e. don't have sex, don't drink, don't smoke, etc.

And it still is! Every Yahoo! article is full of that shit. I know, right? Shame on me for viewing Yahoo! as a place of news. Maybe that's why they're going down the drain, but I quite sadly believe pandoras box with this SJW shit. Third wave feminism has catered to the lowest common denominator.

There's no denying of the media leaning liberal, but most people in the media are college educated, and if they're like my university, usually have some component of their course dedicated to women in history/politics/journalism etc or alternative diversity course.

Additionally, owners of newspapers have agendas, like Jeff Bezos who has contributed to Democratic campaigns before.

And believe me I know. Having Obama weigh into Brexit pissed Brits here, and we had a massive pro-Remain media campaign here. That pissed people off enough to vote Leave.

Again, don't tell people how to vote. Give them the information and treat them like the goddamn adults they are.

It's not an accident. Fucking has a type of original sin and people still aren't suspicious of SJWism. Original sin is a fundamentally important facet of mind control. Instilling guilt in people is a huge part of controlling them.

crazy, i was pretty much having this same conversation to a roomie last week. its the fact extremism has become the new norm with social media, go big or go home. im 33, an atheist with an art degree and have always been more open minded. liberal you could say, but my god if now these days i dont find myself rebelling against the bullshit that is the new liberal agenda and its only been this bad in the last decade or so.now, far left or far right views are the only thing and is 100% ludicrous

Hello buzzword "white privilege".

>Used to encourage science, now go against basic biology by claiming there are multiple genders/sexes

This is the point I disagree with most. Supporting non-binary gender roles in no way denies biology. Gender roles are not biological, they are social.

identity politics happened.

Exactly. Male and cis too. It's meant to neuter the demographic with the most numbers and potential while simultaneously D&C. It's absolutely fucking brilliant.

You drank the kool aid my friend. There's a reason why us and native ameircans are really the only cultures in the world to name more than two genders. It's because it's bullshit. A male lion acts like a male lion. A female lion acts like a female lion.

The only solution is to start WWIII.

This looks more of a social construct than anything.

ICBMs exist chief. It's no longer a viable option.

Right and lions don't have a very socially advanced society.

What if a male human wants to take on the gender role typically prescribed to female humans? What if they don't feel either role suits them? In a free, respectful society, you'd be able to take on aspects of one, both, or neither, whatever suits your comforts. This has no negative impact on you or I.

While I don't disagree with you here, the fact is almost no one truly gives a shit. Be whatever the fuck you want, just don't shove that shit in peoples faces all the while screaming fuck you. The 99% don't fucking care. The people inflicted with this are quite literally less than 1 % of the population and we have government fighting over this kind of shit? Meanwhile, wage gap, poverty, all the other real shit that matters for the 99% is put on the back burner. Seriously stop and think about it...THIS is the battle we'll stop back and reflect upon? Jesus H Christ...

Truer words never spoken: "Keep them focuses on the frivolous."

Also you're talking out of your ass when you say
>us and native ameircans are really the only cultures in the world to name more than two genders

Trans or third-gendered people have existed for a very long time in many different african and asian nations, and transgenderism is a topic gaining attention on a global scale.

Being a stay at home dad doesn't make you a girl. It doesn't happen man. It's absolutely bullshit. Granted there are a shitload of hormones in our consumer products and food, but there are still men.

Name those african and asian cultures.

Also, it's still only 3 out of 1000. It is abnormal and literally classified as a mental illness. Gender dysphoria is an abnormal mental illness.

When was the last time a transgendered person tried to "shove that shit" into your face? What honestly shoves that shit into your face? I think it's the media and Caitlyn Jenner mostly.

You see a person that presents as female? Refer to them using feminine pronouns, it's really that simple, saving any anger for when people are genuinely obnoxious about it.

It's not about our social structure, it's about the 23rd chromosome, the genes and hormones that come with it. A man and a woman are different physically and mentally.

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First three links mate. It's not like this is some liberal conspiracy. This stuff exists worldwide.

lmgtfy.com/?q=third gender in africa

Kill yourself.

I can completely agree when people are either one, the other, or something in between.

But the wolfkin, starkin, dragonkin etc, or those who want to be identified with special pronouns like zie, sie, ve, tey, e, or one they made for themselves are beyond me.

I've looked it up chief, read the wikipedia page on it. All the historical examples are about gods or hermaphodites.

It's not saying that there were men who weren't actually men, or women who weren't actually women.

Of course someone like you would use lmgfy.

Naturally it's the media. That and the ever-growing notorious online presence of social media/websites filled with self-serving bullshit. It really is the new norm, people shoveling this garbage so they can sleep at night for being so progressively righteous. No different than the BLM movement. If you're not with them, you're a racist. People are fucking losing their jobs for having dissenting opinions on shit and it's disgusting, yet, it truly is the new norm.

I mean a core disagreement between us is that people act a certain way because of biology vs society.

I think literally none of us in this thread are really qualified to make claims as to it being one over the other. None of us. That being said, I can make the claim that if a person wishes to take on different gender roles it's simply a nice thing to do to accommodate them. It genuinely causes me no grief, or inconvenience at all.

This isn't me conceding that gender roles are exclusively biological, it's just a different argument that that point could be moot.

Black lives matter.

HAH!

Yeah I mean I agree with that too. That is some Harry Potter shit and it's not something I can relate to at all.

This is the guy defending trans people. I won't defend otherkin lol

Poor times breed strong men, strong men create good times, good times breed weak men, weak men create poor times.

This roller-coaster isn't new. Wait for a war and it will sort itself out.

I am qualified. I went to college and was taught about this in a psychological and neurological context. Men and women are inherently different psychologically. The brain structure and the hormones in our body.

What you're parroting is politicized soft science. A male is a male, a female is a female outside of genetic diseases and deformities.

OP here, I always considered there to be only to genders/sexes, if you have dysphoria and want to dress like a woman, take hormones and fuck men that's fine with me, I will call you a girl if you want. But what irks me is some American liberals refusal to accept that they will still always be a male. We just call them women to support them and help them cope with their dysphoria. Even some stars like Natalie mars have said they're biologically male and can never change that, then random liberals will agure against it like it isn't scentific fact for now (maybe in the future they'll be able to change your chromosomes I don't fucking know)

Yet the real question here is why are our fucking congressmen and women fighting over this shit? Why are sports venues being dumped from entire states because of a few peoples stances on it? Why the fuck are we getting our government involved when we have a literal million other more important issues to attend to first? Because it's a simple smoke screen to have the people fighting meanwhile the rich get richer and nothing truly gets accomplished. The simple truth.
...just as as long as you realize what this shit is.

Honestly I'll resort to the passive aggressiveness of lmgtfy if I think the persons being a dick. Referring to transgendered people as mentally ill is a dick move. Gender dysphoria is not considered a mental disorder anymore, transgendered people are mentally stable.

And because you're going to ask me to cite that too, google provides a snippet of the wikipedia article but there are more resources on the page as well:
lmgtfy.com/?q=is gender dysphoria a mental illness

>male is male, female is female
Agreed! Do I agree with the implication that a male shouldn't act like a female? Nope!

Real good thread.Fine points being made and some of the most constructive introspective looks into the faults of neoliberalism that I've seen in a long time.

Right. Even as a person that defends trans rights I cannot wait until we don't have gay pride parades anymore, we don't have/need LGBT safe spaces or even the discussion we're having right now because it just. doesn't. fucking. matter. Live and let fucking live.

The DSM V is still the manual fuckhole, it's a mental illness. Read that again and realize that you're reading comprehension sucks cock just like you do.

Obviously with the implication that the LGBT community is treated with the same respect you or I receive. Like this shouldn't even be a topic of discussion.

your* reading comprehension sucks cock.

What even is acting like a female?

What part of
>"gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition."
What am I getting wrong about that?

Sorry that was not what I meant to say, I should have said "take on a feminine gender role". Really any characteristics that are typically ascribed to the female sex.

This.

I live in Seattle, some would believe that we are the capital of showboating our far-left policies, i mean we have a socialist councilmember for christsake, but a few years ago we elected a new mayor, and it really only came to light after his election that he was gay, not only gay, but married to another dude.

It was kind of nice. It's like nobody even cared. That's what I wish for the future of LGBT communities aka people.

A girly dude is not suddenly a girl. He is still a man in gender and sex. I don't think you understand the huge effects that testosterone and estrogen have on our behavior.

That wanting to be a different sex or gender is a mental disorder. The distress that leads you to wanting to change is a mental disorder.

What happened is that a new generation of naive liberals (millennials) just turn 16-20 and has just started getting into politics, the only problem is that they have no idea what genuine bigotry is and automatically attack anyone who shows even the slightest bit of intolerance towards any minority, i.e criticizing Islam, pointing out that the wage gap isn't real, not wanting to bring Syrian refugees into your country. They are also super afraid of being called bigots and go to absurd lengths into proving that they're not. That's where all this "all white people are racist" bullshit comes from, with the white guilt, affirmative action and politically correctness. Sad really, they're essentially ruining their own ideology because of poor education. I wouldn't be surprised if whites eventually become the new 19th century blacks in the future in liberal countries like Canada, UK and Germany.

See another disagreement is that gender and sex are the same. I don't believe that they are, a lot of people don't believe that they are, and I don't think I can change your mind about it so I'm not really going to address it. Just know that a lot of people feel that way.

To be honest, I really want the whole 'family values' kinda politician to fade out. I don't care what you do with your genitals as long as it is consensual and of age.

I want to know what your policies are, your stances, your views on foreign affairs, and the vision you have for your community, constituency or nation. Beyond that, I don't care that you like Guacamole or Hot Sauce.

Why Trump is here to make America great again my friend

faggots dykes and trannies should be put to death

100% totally agreed. "Family values", which is just a more PC term for "Christian values" need to stop getting priority over other value structures in this society.

most sensible statement made all night

You're the reason we have gay pride parades btw

What do you people even mean by this? What makes you a male in sex but not in gender? Like what does that even look like?

Don't play the uneducated card either, because I learned this same view in class, but it was not elaborated on.

You either die a hero, or you live long enough to become the villain.

>Hates trannies, faggots and dykes

>Posts of Sup Forums, filled with cissy, trap and lesbo threads.

Fuckin' Sup Forums

It's simple, that's called a trans woman. Someone who is born biologically male, and wishes to take on a feminine identity and gender role.

everyone just read the last few responses and you see why this shit gets so much attention. will argue semantics till you die

Yes, now we just need a Canadian and some European Trumps and we're set.

So less than 3 out of 1000 people.

Yeah I can't imagine you'll run across many transgendered people, or that you'll even notice them.

So then why the fuck are we even talking about this? It's a non-issue. For all intents and purposes, men are men and women are women over 99% of the time. This is why I don't identify as a liberal anymore.

>What makes you a male in sex but not in gender?
Nothing. Sex and gender is the exact same thing. SJWs have just hijacked the word gender and made up a fake definition for it so that trannies' feelings don't get hurt. Just like what they're trying to do with the word racism for black people right now.

oh fuck you motherfucker dont ever call us a 'nonissue' when a dear friend of mine was beaten within an inch of his fucking life bc of this so just bc you dont feel the hardships of living this life everything is peachy keen from the bottom of my soul please just die in a ravine

It's easy to debate since it effects such a tiny minority, makes your morality feel good mannnnn

It's because when you do you should be nice to em that's all! They run into intolerant people every day, just try to not be one of them and we're good lol

Right, this. This is why you should be nice to nice to transgendered people, they have incredibly high rates of suicide because of the intolerance and harassment that they face.

Leave her alone

>go against basic biology

uh hermaphrodites have been a part of accepted biology for literally thousands of years

are you sure you arent the one who is against science?????

SJWs are too loud. Regular lefties are getting drowned out.

I'm not going to laugh in a trannies face, but don't try and re-shape all of our social conventions over less than 1% of people wanting a pussy instead of their cock.

Name me one other fucking situation in which less than 1% of people having a view gets this much attention outside of it resulting in death and violence for the rest.

I don't, just don't expect everyone to fold to your special snowflake bullshit in a submissive state. If I call you guy by accident, you need to accept it.

Liberalism showed its true colors when Nancy Pelosi was voted to Speaker of the House.

The Occupy movement was a joke and only idiots think it made any difference.

Okay then they are both genders or their own, you biologically still cannot change your sex/gender or claim to not have one, that is what I was getting at the obsession with making new labels

this is actually part of an ancient plan by capitalists to keep the emphasis on identity politics instead of politico-economic monopolies

1800s: argument was reframed from poor vs. rich to black vs. white
early 1900s: argument was reframed from poor vs. rich to man vs women
late 1900s: argument was reframed from poor vs rich to black vs. white
early 2000s: argument was reframed from poor vs rich to american vs terrorist

its weird how you make these broad statements

can i see your peer reviewed studies?

the occupy movement reframed the argument, that alone is enough

If someone is so fragile that they kill themselves because someone called them the wrong pronoun or something, then that's their fucking problem. They need to grow so balls just like the rest of us. Why should 0,000001% of the population dictate how 99,999999% of the population speaks? They need to appropriate our customs, not the other way around.

First of all, that is not liberalism. What the U.S. have now calling themselves liberal are all a bunch of socialists, but, as usual, americans can't name things right, can't identify things right. Can't do right.

some balls*

Oops.

I don't think anyone is going to support you on this who isn't already a vicious psychopath