>the fbi can hack anyone that uses a vpn or tor
>literally anyone
Just Google "fbi tor warrant"
I'm so triggered.
Privacy or anonymity isn't probable cause. The principles behind the 4th and 5th amendments are being ripped to shreds.
We need to get the public to know the seriousness of this, and constantly remind politicians.
>those who are willing to give up essential liberty for a sense of security deserve neither.
This single warrant to hack millions has no legal boundaries. You're not safe anywhere.
I can't believe you fucking normies don't even care about this.
You are the downfall of our society and freedom.
I have nothing to hide.
Same. Stop doing illegal shit you degenerates.
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hahaha FBI has зеро пошер in my country!
See
You'd probably let them scan your mind "for your own safety too".
You don't have to break the law for them to hack you. You don't even need to be in America
You've never Googled how to make a bomb, never streamed a show, never Googled anything sketchy that could be misconstrued as probable cause?
What about the people who will manipulate the system to find your fetishes and secrets to blackmail you?
Name 5 non-illegal reasons for using tor/vpn and I'll post my asshole
>if Sup Forums can name 10 illegal uses first I'll post my gf's asshole
Viewing pictures of this guys underage girlfriends asshole
user where in Delaware are you from? And why do people still read the news journal?
Don't post your asshole degenerate.
Normal People use TOR
They protect their privacy from unscrupulous marketers and identity thieves.
They protect their communications from irresponsible corporations.
They protect their children online.
They research sensitive topics.
They skirt surveillance.
They circumvent censorship.
Activists & Whistleblowers use TOR
When groups such as the Friends Service Committee and environmental groups are increasingly falling under surveillance in the United States under laws meant to protect against terrorism, many peaceful agents of change rely on Tor for basic privacy during legitimate activities.
Human rights activists use Tor to anonymously report abuses from danger zones.
Human Rights Watch recommends Tor.
Tor has consulted with and volunteered help to Amnesty International.
Global Voices recommends Tor.
Tor can help activists avoid government or corporate censorship that hinders organization. In one such case, a Canadian ISP blocked access to a union website used by their own employees to help organize a strike.
In east Asia, some labor organizers use anonymity to reveal information regarding sweatshops that produce goods for western countries and to organize local labor.
Journalists and their Audiences use TOR
Reporters without Borders.
The US International Broadcasting Bureau.
Citizen journalists in China.
Citizens and journalists in Internet black holes(Tunisia, Yemen etc.)
Business executives use Tor
Security breach information clearinghouses.
Seeing your competition as your market does.
Keeping strategies confidential.
Accountability.
The Military use TOR
Field agents.
Hidden services.
Intelligence gathering.
Law enforcement officers use TOR
Sting operations.
Online surveillance.
Truly anonymous tip lines.
Distributing cp
Accessing restricted/private information
Organizing violent acts
Organizing other illegal activities (irl)
Requesting illegal substances
Attempting to distribute illegal substances
I've never googled anything sketchy because I'm not a tard.
>wikileaks
>shitposting on Sup Forums
>communicating without the government knowing what your saying
>So People can't dox you for your opinion
> For organizing anti-government protests in secrecy
Now post asshole
>non-illegal
It's just one of the thousands of articles about this.
duckduckgo.com
You've never searched anything that someone could blackmail you with?
>activists and whistleblowers use toe to break the law
>chinks use it in chink land
>canhucks use it in syrup land
>government organizations use it
Nice text wall, some people probably believed you just because "hurt durr lotsa werds = alweys rite
You don't need Tor to protect your privacy from marketers or corporations.
You don't need Tor to protect your children (lol).
You don't need Tor to research "sensitive topics".
You don't need Tor to skirt surveillance or censorship (and shouldn't be able to skirt the former).
>Wikileaks
Fled the country
>shit posting on Sup Forums
Only not illegal (mostly) because Sup Forums is Sup Forums and nobody cares
>gubmint reedin mah emales
Illegal
>because other people might hack me
Yeah, call the police, THAT is illegal
>if your protest is peaceful you have no reason to plan in secret
And you think ad hominems are valid rebuttals.
Yes you do need encryption that's now considered probable cause to keep your information secure and location secret.
Here's one that can appeal to you normies:
>using a vpn or TOR in a public Hotspot so other civilians can't see your Internet traffic (passwords)
got it, your just a troll.
My asshole is safe niggers
Unfortunately I am a faggot, there is no gf
Only Pedos and junkies use tor so who cares?
The only reason why people use tor is to buy drugs in a safe place. It should be protected.
Once you weaken the law, it is weakened permanently. You may not need anonymity now but one day you may cry out for it, by then it will be too late. Protect your rights faggot or when you NEED to protect them it will be weakened beyond saving.
>he thinks it's illegal for the government to read your emails
They'll have the key to the safe (emails, social media, etc.) if they hack your computer which they can if you use any form of encryption.
WRONG.
see
And the whole thread
It's not just tor. It's using any form of encryption.
Nigga if you don't like the way the government is going, and your idea is not popular, you have the honest option to trade up and go to an actually decent country.
I don't WANT tor to disappear in our US of A, but trying to claim it's "freedom" that's being taken away is subjective, and nobody outside of Sup Forums agrees with you.
>I hear sweden's pretty cool though :^)
How is it not freedom? You can express opinions without fear of being persecuted or reprimanded.
this bill has no boundaries.
What first world country is there that has freedom and isn't cucked by the us?
Sorry, the green text is slightly misleading.
Edit:
>Let's me keep the gubmint from reading my emails
Illegal
Why don't I just send you some anthrax in the mail? Oh yeah, government regulations keep the recipient safe from my malicious intent.
Unless what you are emailing is strictly ILLEGAL the government DOESNT CARE
They're too busy watching you masturbate youtu.be
What the fuck type babble is this? Mass invasion of privacy is WRONG. I like america because I have rights given to me from birth unlike any other nation, the government doesn't give me my rights it simply affirms it. Thats like saying well if a cop pulls you over he should be able to search your car for any reason don't like it? Leave america! No you dumbfuck I don't like it so I'm going to try and block this legislation so that our rights are continually weakened beyond repair by power hungry legislators.
Pfft Tor has made drug use a hell of alot safer then buying shit off the streets.
I live in a shit tier country where weed is illegal even though its harmless and I buy it through Tor which means I never habe too mix with drug dealers directly.
the classic orwellian if you have nothing to hide why do you care..... George Orwell predicted retards like you would come along. You are whats know as a useful idiot.
Russia, Japan, Sweden, Norway, Portugal, Switzerland, and China too.
Pro tip if you believe that China and Russia are really shitholes, you are already milking uncle sams balls
And I bet you also think noone "needs" a gun because the world is perfectly ok right?
Get the fuck out commie
>Pro tip if you believe that China and Russia are really shitholes, you are already milking uncle sams balls
You do realize that China has smog out the fucking ass right? I think that qualifies it as a shithole.
his "gubmint" can do no wrong.
Don't think TOO much his "gubmint" will protect us.
This
I remember my first college lit class, good times bro
Here's the deal, if you think what you're doing on tor is really justified, just keep doing it! Once you get arrested there should be a public outcry, then you'll show me how wrong I was :^)
Say hi to simple Simon when you head out to the quad brah!
>LA
/thread
if I ever get arrested for buying weed on tor there would be an outcry as to the waste of time and money going after weed smokers
ad homs are great! Just keep deflecting "brah" that psuedo intellectualism will show us!
Oh wait, you ARE using tor for a good reason right? Because if you were caught downloading cp instead that might actually have the opposite effect :/
Your problem is that you're protecting a platform which is LARGELY used for illegal means. Even if 1 in 4 use tor for a good reason, the other 3 are just buying heroin and selling national secrets. Hence why it's being REGULATED. Nobody is taking it away from you, cucks
They'll hack the computer and gain information until they can arrest you. You don't need to do anything illegal. They can misrepresent to make you look like the bad guy whenever they want.
You probably let your middle school teacher read your phone upon request too.
The war on drugs isn't worth taking away
Mass surveillance sweeps IS making Tor useless dunce. You still have tor guys it just doesn't work! I don't care if they get a warrant for individual cases. What I care about is Mass Surveillance under unwarranted pretenses.
Yep. The world is ruled by pedophiles and murderers with total control over our media and our communications and there's nothing any of us can do about it.
I have a solution of my own at least. An aqueous solution of ethanol, aspartame, carbon dioxide...
Yeah, but people buy weed on facebook because NEWS FLASH NOBODY CARES. You can call out the president online with your full name right on your damn words and AGAIN NOBODY CARES.
You're trading one devil for another, and people will always pick the devil they know. Your stupid opinions aren't WRONG in any way, they're just your own opinions, and like your own assholes, nobody wants to go near that shit.
You shouldn't be able to avoid surveillance? You should be raped by a hippopotamus
>if 1 in 4
way higher percentage than that number you pulled from your ass
What are you talking about
I said nothing even close to what you shat out
Wait, you can buy weed on Facebook?
Please continue.
Again, Once you weaken law, the rights you once had are not PERMANENTLY weakened. I don't care if I can called Obama a stupid nigger online NOW. That doesn't mean this mass surveillance wont and can't lead to possible censorship. Try and think a little into the future for once, I know facebook gives you all you want at a moments notice but there is a life outside the immediate present.
I wasn't being sarcastic. Your post reminded me of the article I read about how they're deploying stingrays at Standing Rock to hack people's phones, change their passwords, drain their batteries, etc. That in turn reminded me of all the shit I've been reading about pizzagate and the Democratic primary and it all paints a very grim picture about the world we live in and I kind of wish a government agent would come along and just double tap me.
Keyword
>If
Even if only 1 in 100 tor users are doing heinous acts, that's enough to sway public opinion against you. If the FBI catches one child predator because of their screening, they ARE the heros in the public eye. Even with you in the background shouting about "muh friedoms"
This thread is autistic. I'll let george carlin speak for me.
You don't have rights.
You have privileges.
Temporary.
Privileges.
I believe that being a pedophile doesn't make you a rapist or a monster but guess what? I'm not going to speak out because not only the government but THE PEOPLE OF THE USA starkly oppose that notion. And they have that right!
We don't pick the best possible presidents, legislators, or state attorneys, we pick the MOST POPULAR. USA isn't about doing what is objectively right, it's about appealing to the largest possible minority, and neither you nor I are apart of that minority :(
Those are valid concerns. However we can fight it.
I will die for "muh friedoms" you fucking ungrateful brat.
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By all means, go ahead my friend :^)
This.
illegal =/= immoral
Go public and make your final stand, see how many people line up in front of you to take that first bullet. See how many of your friends on tor speak up at your trial.
Then you'll have a better idea of how the world works
If they ever took Tor away and I could nt get weed I would kill someone.
Weed is my religion and I don't give a shit if people don't "get it" I as a human being have a right too access the Sirius consciousness through consumption of their gift of weed to the human race.
Weed has literally made me enlightened and when one smoke it I have access too amazing things.
It is my life and I have chosen too devote it to the advanced spiritual beings from Sirius.
>Go on make your final stand
>see how many of your 13 "colonies" will speak up for you
>took away tor
>can't get weed
Nigga... you know weed is everywhere, right?
>Open messenger
>pick one contact at random
>"yo, do you know where I can buy some weed?"
>50% chance you find a hookup
>50% chance of "sorry, no"
Kind of off topic but whats the best place to buy bitcoins? Im not sure which sites to really trust
>If they ever took Tor away and I could nt get weed I would kill someone.
You could start with yourself
Reputable (traceable) source then tumble them (virtually untraceable).
Google "(website) reviews"
Not in Australia in this shit little town I gots no hookups
The difference between you and the fathers of the United States is that they stood up to injustice, they actually did put EVERYTHING ON THE LINE to declare independence.
John Hancock signed his name extra big on the Declaration of Independence because he WANTED the king to know who was defying him, and you know what the consequence for failure was? Fucking execution.
There was no anonymity, no plane ready to fly him away to sweden if it didn't look good, he was ready to die on his hill
You're ready to shout at people online.
I'll give you the same respect as them when I see you presenting this argument on cspan, with your real name and face for everyone to see, not on Sup Forums as "another annon"
We'll there's your first problem, you live in a shit part of Australia (shit of the shit, so to speak)
its sad that we have cockless shitbags around that will just roll over like lemmings while uncle sam buries his dick, fucking millennials
Did you drop out after that? Seems like it lmao
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Still rollin, what else you got for me?
I know man, I'm tempted to go to the USA on a tourist visa and just stay there illegally as they have actual freedom unlike Australia.
So easy to get over the wall hehehe just get on a fucking plaaaaane.
Anyway but yeah how to get a job in the states without a visa. Impussable.
It's sad that we have lazy assholes who will complain about their country's core beliefs incessantly and still not want to leave it.
Ask the first Hispanic person:
>trabajar? Trabajo?
Easy as hell
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>However we can fight it.
I envy your optimism.
>country's core beliefs
gofuckurself,, you know just saying retarded shit and getting called on it isnt trolling
Itt basement-dwellers btfo and we all learn to hate America a little more :^)
They can't hack you if they don't know who you are
You know name-calling doesn't count as an effective rebuttal, ask Hillary how well her "deplorables" speech went for her presidential prospects
You literally just said that Uncle Sam is trying to fuck us
Oh, shit... did you not know? Uncle Sam is just an icon that represents the USA... and you just said it's trying to rape us, that's awkward :/
no its
8^)
What even is cspan
They know who's using encryption, and this bill allows them to hack any computer using encryption.
TOR is secure in that no one knows the sender and receiver at the same time (except you). However, it's no secret that you are using tor.
They'll hack you for using tor. Not for doing anything illegal.
Also, once they hack you, they then know what you're doing 24/7 with or without TOR.
>person is suspected of performing illegal activities
>uses loopholes to keep his nose clean
>Law enforcement uses covert tactics to build up a case on them over time
>bust them for unrelated minor crime/violation
>find evidence of much worse, previously suspected crime
>successful incarceration of public menace
Wow, dejavu archives.fbi.gov
It's almost like the government has always been doing shit like this, and they're just keeping up with the times, huh?
Welcome to Burgerland, buddy. Buy a tshirt
1st it doesnt mention tor once in this article, and b, I dont think many here know much about tor, its not quite as easily penetrated as people seem to think, you need to do some research on the lengths they have to go to when trying to catch a tor user thats using it correctly
No, they are hacking into your computer without you even having a minor infraction. If you use tor or a vpn they can hack you and obtain all of your personal information.
This is like going through a house because the blinds are always shut.
See
They don't need to Crack tor to hack your computer.
>Experts from the UC Berkeley Center for Long-Term Cybersecurity offered advice for the new Trump administration.
The nerds came up with it
/thread
right, but thats why this is so ridiculous, its like the article said, its akin to them saying well we know the thief is hiding on this block, so we have the right to search every home here with one warrant to find them just because we know there here somewhere
Exactly
You should listen to
After reading the article (which is very heavily spun in favor of the congressMAN) aaaaall the way to the bottom, you hear the actual reason they want to be able to "hack" millions of computers, and it's actually just to keep up with modern tech. It's fer BOTNETS ya dummy. Just make sure your congressperson knows you want them to specify that in the legislation and we'll be as gravy as thanksgiving.
>fuck Fidel Castro, dictator taking away people's rights
>take away people's rights of privacy
But that's none of my business
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.