Money is fucking retarded. how do we get rid of this exploitable artificial barrier?

money is fucking retarded. how do we get rid of this exploitable artificial barrier?

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Poorfag detected.

for once op is not a faggot.

Money is fucking retarded. We should use hash coins.

By posting pictures of Serj on Malaysian Llama shearing websites.

You want to get rid of money?
Go to school and get some student loans!!!! Haha! Ba-doom chink! Am I right fellas? Huh?..... fellow millenials....

You sound retarded. Human race been using some form of money since the dawn of man, whether seashells, fire, weapons, or paper. You are not going to change anything. Nothing is going to change for you. You been alive like 16 years, best bet is to fucking get over it.

Watch the last part of that 9/11 Zeitgeist movie. But it'll never happen so go make a lil money and jjoin bc at least you can save and have a few good years before you fucking die if you're lucky.

That artificial barrier is called work ethic.

Guy wants to charge me 500 to clean my AC condenser unit outside. Id do it myself but im not allowed because im not "certified"

All they do is disassemble, use special soap and a gardenhose, reassemble. Shit is easier than PC building. And dentists get paid way too much for what they do. And fucking coffee is 5 dollars a cup? What the fucking fuck. Everybody tries to rip you off under the guise of "Hey man I gotta run a business"

FUCK YOU. We have all the resources, and don't help one another because of fucking artificial made up, real-life monopoly. Fuck monetary systems. All they do is create greed and allow imbalance in quality of life. Assholes make a lot of money, and honest people get fucked. It would naturally be the other way around without it. Good people would be helped and assholes will be told to fuck off.

No it wouldn't you fucking idiot. Cause most people are sheep, it takes one asshole with a silver tongue.

Jonathan, is that you?

>posts something serj would say

wp

Money is a necessary evil for the advancement of society. You'll never have enough chickens and goats to barter for heart surgery.

OP here. Thats the shit I'm talking about. The resources are not the limit. The artificial limit is the limit. It's fucking retarded. We are literally putting ourselves in our own way.

Invent Star Trek replicators. As long as scarcity exists, money, the means of rationing scarce resources, will exist.

We don't really have scarcity. Assembly lines literally pump out so many computers, ipods, slabs of wood, we have to throw away the excess.

Life is easily maintained these days.

I'm pretty sure it's the opposite, without money to motivate people to provide for others no-one would do anything for anyone else except for their own families then we'd back to tribes and whatnot.

Assembly lines are able to make things because they have money to pay for the people and resources to make things. Your argument is extremely flawed.

S A G E

I smell communists....

no. People don't run on money. We run on food and shelter.

No. Money isn't motivation unless you are a greedy, flawed individual. You think musicians say "I can't wait to make bank off this tune"

Lets say we did away with money tomorrow, bartering is new system of transaction. Prized resources are now food and water. Farmers are suddenly kings. But farmers need help to harvest their crops. That help gets paid in the harvested goods. Crops produce limited amount of food, resulting in scarcity. Now people are trading their gold for tomatoes. Oh wait, nobody wants the gold because one cannot survive by eating gold.

Barter works when nearly every bit of land is growing food or raising edible animals. But we have cities, crowded cities, with no farms around for miles. Millions die of starvation, disease runs rampant. I'd give 'no-money' USA 6 months before its down to 200k people and mass-graves are on every corner.

Watch Mr. robot

A mix of Super AI(benevolant) managing the world, full automation and becoming a post scarcity world. A sort of Robo communism. But good....

>uses 'musicians' as justification for an argument

Actually yes, musicians do seek to make money from their work. When I stumble upon a catchy riff, my first thought is, "Damn, that hook is MONEY."

Good. The population needs to be reduced. Passive eugenics must be implemented because there are way too many morons.

No shit, gold will be worthless because it IS worthless. It's a shitty soft metal. Cities will realize how much they fucking suck, those giant peices of asphalt housing millions of asshole investors and businessmen, and other salesman-merchant-types who shouldnt exist.

Then you are a fucking asshole. Music should be made to change people's minds. Food should be made for nutrition. Goods and Services should be made to help people, not to take advantage of their time/money/life.

Yes we do. You want that 1-in-a-million 10/10 bitch? Guess what, so does every other man. You want that house on the beach? Guess what, so does everyone else, and there's only so much beach. Just because people aren't starving in developed nations and things are *less* scarce than they were 50 years ago doesn't mean scarcity doesn't exist.

And show me some evidence they throw away new computers and ipods. Yeah, they end up in a landfill in China once they're used up and nobody wants them anymore. But if that's the "lack of scarcity" you're talking about, you're welcome to sift through the trash with the chinks.

Now if you were talking about food waste, I'd be more inclined to agree. But money is hardly a barrier to eating your fill in America. Even a hobo can panhandle a few bucks and get more calories than he can burn from the value menu.

In any case, just because some things are abundant does not mean they are not, strictly speaking, scarce, i.e. of limited quantity. Nor does the lack of scarcity of one thing have anything to do with the scarcity of another. Money exists to ration those things which *are* scarce, and to eliminate it entirely, you'd have to entirely eliminate all scarcity.

Food and shelter that is bought with, you guessed it, money.

>But user, I can build my own house and grow my own food

Build your own house out of what? Lumber that you cut? From trees that are on someone else's land? That you pay for with what? Your collection of Magic: The Gathering cards?

ITT: Poorfag wants to do away with money because he has no marketable skills to make any.

gee, that sounds serious, billions huddled together in concrete jungles to produce nothing other than exchanges of information?

sounds like a deprecated, ill-fated concept, now

I agree, music is an esoteric thing that transcends money. But if you dedicate your life to making music, one must find a way to benefit from it, because you can't feed yourself on the blissful revelations of a stoned audiophile. Music is work, work deserves compensation.

Money allows for competition

Ricky?

you dont have to be compensated instantly. without money, we would have passive compensation. everybody does their job and shit gets done without fictitious floating numbers.

Money allows for people to improve their lives without the immediate means to pay for it. Like I said above, you will never have enough chickens and goats to pay for a heart transplant. And potential doctors will never have enough chickens and goats to be trained in complex medical procedures. Not to mention, the tools and supplies needed to perform medical procedures won't be produced without money. Money allows for the advancement of society, because it is intangible, yet valuable. As soon as you make value tangible (ie: this goat is worth 10 chickens, one chicken is worth a two jugs of ale, etc), then everybody goes back to focusing on survival, rather than innovation.

>So many ipods that they're thrown away

iPods would have never existed without money. Prove me wrong.

Yes, you do have to be compensated instantly. Because without money, there is no credit. A barter system doesn't care about what you MIGHT have one day. Bartering is "what do you have NOW to compensate me for my goods and/or services?"

I agree
is me

Also, money allows for competition
>competition improves things

wrong on all counts, coast is neither static, quantifiable, nor uncreatable

fiat currency historically has been a useful medium for exchange, we acknowledge this and move forward with expanding the idea of resource allocation to be more equally distributed and globally inclusive, digital currency of today is the prototype for a 'new' medium

Trees that you ask them to have you dumbass. You dont need green paper to cut down a tree.
10/10 bitches are different for everyone. Not everyone wants a bitch or a beach house or a mazeratti. The evidence is that people are still selling old as fuck electronics on ebay and amazon. The food we waste in america isn't nutritious fuel, more like tounge-crack, like pastries, boxed and bagged foods, fast foods, pizzas, beer,, shit like that.

I wouldnt say things are scarce, and I wouldn't say they are abundant either, but they are definitely closer to abundant, especially if we implement passive eugenics and teach people the value of healthy eating/ not throwing shit away.

How many times have you heard "ahh fuck it, I'll throw it away and buy a new one." With razors, phones, sandwiches, electronics, even fucking cars. Instead of repairing, maintaining, a well created product, we pump out garbage which we then throw away. Its fucking retarded and money (profit) is the direct cause. An artificial game is the cause of all the bullshit in the world. Don't get me started on profiteering off wars and government, laws, and politics.

Spend it all on useful shit and self sustain without it.

yeah, I was replying to you in an effort to expand upon one of the few correct statements in this thread, not to correct and/or argue against you.

Theres more than enough money to give every person one million dollars.

>What would you do if everything was given to you that you would ever need want or desire?

fuck off you 12 year old

lol - get a load of this alt cuck. life is going to pass you by - your peers are going to make money, raise families, buy real estate, new cars, Christmas presents for loved ones, vacations, and you'll be sitting in your ghost ship squat, with your white boy dreds, spray painting anarchist symbols in shitty parts of a city non of your peers will ever visit or see.

Go fuck yourself, cuck.

>trees that you ask for

"Hey, can I have your trees to build my house?"
"Sorry, someone else already asked for those trees"
"But but but I needs them"
"What will you give me for them?"
"A song? Maybe a dance?"
"Sorry, the other guy is giving me 30 barrels of ale and 4 cows"
"But but I no has things, I have the mind-changing power of music"
"Too bad it didn't change MY mind... Stay the fuck away from my trees you shiftless nothing"

/thread

He thinks money is the only barrier kek

>passive compensation
You know what the problem with this is? Even if you don't do your job, you still benefit from other people getting their shit done.

Compensation needs to be "active" enough to encourage people to achieve, and "passive" enough to ensure that even the poor benefit more from participation in society than rejection of it (i.e. crime). We have enough "passive compensation" already, at least in pretty much any developed western nation.

Enjoy life?

>poor fucker detected

No you don't get free compensation because if you don't do shit for anyone, nobody will help you.

If everybody had a million dollars, inflation would skyrocket. Supply/demand = Econ 101

"I has a million dollers now!"
"So do I!"
"Can I has food?"
"Sure"
"How much?"
"A million dollars."

/thread

>*shoots u then hauls off ur wuudz*

now that's what i call a deal

That was a fucking example you moron. And it IS finite. The Earth is finite. Therefore the coast is finite by definition because even if the entire Earth was beach, it would still be finite.

Thinking of selling my p-car. How much retarded will you give me for it?

>is promptly lynched

No money doesn't mean no justice.

No-one ever said the system is perfect. Society advances to overcome these sorts of obstacles.

I take it you read the second line and fully agreed with the statement, which is why this post only mentions the second

>Not everyone wants a bitch or a beach house or a mazeratti.
How the fuck does this have anything to do with anything? So scarcity doesn't exist because some people don't want a thing?

communism. Libertarian (social) socialism, mutualism, syndicalism

this made me laugh harder than it should have

Check my ride homey.

No actually I didn't. Why would I read something from someone stupid enough to say the coast is infinite? If you want to be taken seriously, how about respecting people enough to not say such blatant lies?

>tfw a nation of law requires men to to interpret and enforce them

Sorry old boy, but we are the law, and your lack of generosity back there just landed you in the dirt

How to tell when someone has no money.

Anyway, you're suggesting getting rid of money in favor of bitcoin? How the hell is that getting rid of money?

It has a nice interior.

I wouldn't reply to someone who insert words into a post, AND LOOK WHERE I AM NOW

/thread

> You sound retarded.
> Human race been using some form of money since the dawn of man.

Ever heard of bartering, genius?

It won't be bitcoin, and it's not getting rid of money, it's decentralizing the exchange process to prevent unfair allocations. (federal printing 'system')

It would take a global initiative to spread to all, but it's predicted

Are you referring to the "venus project"?

The only problem with that is it would never work if everyone was in it. It would have to be select individuals and also come with a culling method to remove certain impurities from the society. To keep it functional and nice for all.

Wrong. Generosity is not the nature of man. If generosity was the law, people would be taken advantage of. Where is the line drawn? Who decides how generous is enough generous?

"I'm going to take these tomatoes"
"Leave a few, I need them to feed my family"
"But I need them to feed MY family"
"But I grew them, and I've given away plenty already. These tomatoes are SCARCE"
"Sounds like you don't want to be generous, I may as well kill you."

A third party approaches...

"Hey, he needs his tomatoes to feed his family"
"But I need them too"
"Then you should probably trade him something else that he can feed his family with"
"But I don't have anything, and he's supposed to be generous"
"So are you"
"But I don't have anything. The snow ruined my cabbages"
"Then fuck off"

/thread

Alright, you got me, you didn't say the coast is "infinite." I don't see how not being "static, quantifiable, nor uncreatable" makes it not scarce. Oh look, you did it first, because I NEVER SAID IT WAS any of those things, though it is, in fact, quantifiable. I said it was scarce. Because it is.

Who did you steal your computer and internet service from?

E.D.G.Y

Porsche is best. OP is a retard or Soros shill.

That's not exactly how it works. Competition means they'll try and give you the cheapest to produce product for maximum value you'll pay for it. It doesn't matter if other company sells same product for 5% cheaper, 95% of people don't go to the second store in order to buy the cheaper one so the competition never escalates.

Money removes intent of good from everything. It is replaced with greed and the unspoken laws of demand.

During and after a time of war people have made the best out of everything, the greed has much less power than in time of peace. People have made the best and longest lasting products during those times.

Auto workers like to be paid in something other than raspberry preserves.

I just started watching trailer park boys on netflix. It's fucking amazing

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I wanna fuck fat Sarah. White trash at its finest.

Point was it's not technically scarce if anyone who actually wants to be on a coast could theoretically do so, even if it meant building a raft house out of plastic junk for everyone on earth.

I mention quantifiable because there's a quote that the size of the coastline depends on the scale in which it's measured, obviously it can be rounded

In other words, the money would spread to the exact people who have it within months.
That's not exactly how it works though is it. Food could only cost a fraction of the million, electricity and taxes and all would take the exact percentage of the income they take now.

The only good way for these things to work would be a massive government regulated system where products are developed, produced and distributed by the government in order to keep their price to a bare minimum.
They could do the same with electricity, clean water and everything else really, with the automation technology of today.

Furthermore, the strain of "millitary expenses" on all the countries is really holding humanity back from being a space-faring people. We could be out there if we didn't fuck it up down here constantly.

>intent of good
Human beings aren't inherently good or inherently generous. Many of our instincts contradict each other, e.g. fight OR flight. Getting rid of money won't change human nature, and it won't make people generous or good.

I'm just at the season that starts out with Ricky accidentally accepting the film crew to come back

Killing yourself usually helps

Prepare to be bombed you commie bastard.

Trading of goods and/or services

You realize money is just a credit note for goods/services traded right?

He gots a point, all in all, only you can look out for is you in a mad world of division and competition

It's not a rule that it be, but it's been pretty damn consistent so I get where the feeling comes from.

Use lolis instead

>depends on the scale
What the fuck is this shit? So if there's a thousand kilometers of coast somewhere, there's also a million meters or trillion micrometers, and that somehow makes it unquantifiable? Yeah, that's not what unquantifiable means.

That would make it money worthless. Ever heard of inflation?

We cannot. There would always exist some form or version of it.

Welp, get certified

That's one of the reasons I like living in Europe. Here in Germany university is free, but you'll get a student loan (for living expenses and shit) and only have to pay back half (or less). Without interest.

Are you saying that like that's a bad thing?

He wants to get rid of money. Do you really think he's thought about it enough to realize that?

Young Yulya? Daughter?

Relax commie user. It will be alright. God-Emperor Trump will make it so.