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Why couldn't they have gone just one more year? That would've been cool

c'mon why couldn't they have waited 9 more months

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Iommi had cancer and also has back issues. He just can't handle the stress of touring anymore.

Lemmy a shit.

last year they did they last show here in Brazil, my mom was a big time fan of their sound since she was 14yo and discovered their LP in some shop, she's almost 60 now... It was one of the best shows and days of my life to bring her to their show.

feels man

Best classic rock band post-Beatles. These guys were so creative in their time. This is kind of sad that I can't see them ever again.

Now that they're officially kaput, it's time to stop joking around and admit that Vol. 4 is their masterpiece

I got to see them last year. It was so cool, and they're not too bad at playing still for 70 year olds

It sucks that Bill and Ozzy couldn't bury the hatchet just for this one last time. I would've gone when they came to Aus last year if it was the complete original lineup. At least I got to see heaven and hell before Dio died.

Black Sabbath [Warner Bros., 1970]

The worst of the counterculture on a plastic platter--drug-impaired reaction times, bullshit necromancy, lengthy solos. They claim to oppose war, but if I don't believe in loving my enemies, then I don't believe in loving my allies and I've been worried that something like this was going to happen ever since I first saw a numerology column in an underground newspaper. C-

Paranoid [Warner Bros., 1970]

They do take heavy to undreamt-of extremes, and I suppose I could learn to enjoy them as camp--the title cut is certainly screamworthy. Anyway, I've always suspected that horror movies catharsized things I was too rational to care about in the first place. C-

Master of Reality [Warner Bros., 1971]

As an increasingly regretful spearhead of the great Grand Funk Railroad switch three years ago, in which the critics defined Grand Funk as a good ol' white boy blues band, even though I knew of no critics, myself included, who played the records. Grand Funk are American--dull. Black Sabbath are English--dull and decadent. I don't care how many rebels and incipient groovers are buying. I don't even care if the band actually believes their own Christian/liberal/Satanist muck. This is a dimwitted, amoral exploitation. D+

We Sold Our Soul For Rock 'n' Roll [Warner Bros., 1976]

By concentrating on songs (of the 17 cuts on here, 11 hail from the first three albums) and omitting such pro-tempo-formula-virtuoso moves like "Rat Salad", this collection makes for a fitting mock nostalgia document. Four songs are taken from the band's fourth LP, cleverly titled "Black Sabbath Vol. 4", which I never got around to putting on back in 1972. And you know what? I'm still not sure I've heard anything on it. C+

Everything Rocks and Nothing Ever Dies [1990s]

What the fuck is he even talking about?

He's saying metal is for children and it's time to grow up and listen to music for sophisticated adult patricians such as the New York Dolls.

>caring about Christgau's opinion

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How everything is terrible and you should grow up and be a boring boho fuckstick like he is

go to bed bruno

In Christgau's World (TM), a bunch of cheese-ass Rolling Stones ripoffs who dress like women and play cookie cutter Chuck Berry piano rock are the heaviest band of all time.

>New York Dolls
>Patrician
Aside from giving Nicki Minaj and Soulja Boy A's, this is hilarious too. The man discredits and makes a joke out of himself very easily.

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no, to depressed to sleep.

He was raised on mid-20th century postmodernism and he thinks metal is a retrogression back to European classical music traditions that rock-and-roll was supposed to have made obsolete.

In short, he takes the lyrics of Roll Over, Beethoven a little too seriously.

I understand that people don't like metal, but to not like Black Sabbath? How? They were the pioneers of it. I'm not a big metal fan, but I love Black Sabbath.

All the critics in the early 70s shit on Black Sabbath and Grand Funk Railroad because they were all New York Bohemians who couldn't understand the working class roots of their music.

They liked the Rolling Stones and Led Zeppelin on the other hand because those bands always had a bit of an artsy Bohemianism about them.

Lester Bangs came around on Sabbath eventually

Good, metal was a mistake anyways.

He did, and Christgau eventually warmed to GFR after they got Todd Rundgren to produce.

Grand Funk were every critic's favorite punching bag before Black Sabbath happened. They were probably the first major American rock group to come out of the Midwest instead of California or the Northeast and their blue collar music and fanbase were pretty hard for most of the boho critics in Greenwich Village to digest.

He is a punk loving faggot hippie who admits he was never into metal yet bashes metal music with tons of prejudice.

Does Skynyrd fit into this category? Because I can't fucking stand Skynyrd. Am I a stuffy New York critic?

I always felt the problem with Grand Funk was that they didn't know how to make good albums pre-Rundgren. They were mostly a live act who could not string together a song in the studio to save their lives. Todd taught them how to make hit singles and that's probably why Christgau finally came to enjoy them.

Granted some critical favorites like the Stooges were better known for their shows than their albums, but they still had speed and dynamism on Raw Power et al while Grand Funk's early albums are very clunky and plodding.

All critics love punk because it's artsy and boho.

>plays 3 chords extremely fast
>cringey lyrics about how le society is bringing us down
>'artsy'

Nah, I feel the critics during the time are just doing it because its 'counter-cultural' and because their peers are doing it.

No and weirdly enough, Christgau did like Lynyrd Skynyrd.

Everyone liked Lynyrd Skynyrd

Fuck Christgau

You have to understand that most critics have a very limited idea of what rock music can be. They just can't envision anything more than three chord ditties about teenage love or whining about Republicans.

Christgau can suck my dick

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13 was okay and honestly they probably couldn't do better than that now. they're too fucking old

Basically the birth of Punk rock?

Ramones did what they did because of what you said.

Who gives a literal fuck.

Seriously fuck the New York Dolls, I never got why nerds and critics circlejerked over them so much, they're complete shit. The Stooges and Black Sabbath still hold up today, but the Dolls are complete ass, always have been.

>13 was okay and honestly they probably couldn't do better than that now

Now? They ran out of ideas after Sabotage, at least as far as what could be done with the original lineup.

Reunion tour when?

Easy--most rock critics were based in New York, they could relate to the Dolls and the Velvets but a band like Grand Funk Railroad who came out of the Midwest made no sense to them. It was like a foreign language.

Funny because Grand Funk Railroad still holds up nowadays, while most of the early punk stuff has aged horribly.

Christgau isn't a hippie though, actually he disliked hippies and thought they were delusional and wanted to run from society and hide in their little exclusionist communes. He also said that the political side of 60s rock was overrated and that punk is far more effective at politics than Jefferson Airplane or Joan Baez were.

Does that mean their break-up is a marketing tool for their sudden comeback in the next 5 years?

Thanks for clarifying that, however in terms of the music itself, without the intentions and philosophical side, he makes Scaruffi look like a genius with his kind of reviews.

I wouldn't say a song like "People, Let's Stop The War" has held up desu.

Also Kiss stole the intro to Footstompin' Music and used it in Detroit Rock City.

by then, at least one of them might be dead so it is highly unlikely

>New York Dolls blatantly rip off the Rolling Stones to the point where David Johansen even copies Mick Jagger's voice
>flash forward a few years
>the Stones reverse rip them off on Some Girls

Like poetry.

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Sabbath must have seemed pretty jarring in 1970. All that creep, dark Satanic stuff bursts forward onto an optimistic hippie dippie music scene. It was kind of like in Poe's "The Mask of the Red Death" where the monster arrives at the ball and the prince says "Who dares let this blasphemous mockery in here?"

So most of the established critics just plain couldn't understand that music and didn't want to deal with it.

Q: One thing that intrigues me is how you arrive at conclusions about certain genres of music. For example, you openly dislike heavy metal. Why is that?
A: Because it's symphonic bombast without the technical complexity of classical music, although there is a lot of virtuosity. I can say one thing--I'm 72. This isn't the time for me to start liking loud guitar solos. That music is so masculine in a retrograde way. I don't like it. it's a very 19th century idea of power.

Okay, that answer makes sense, maybe if his reviews were that concise I wouldn't have a problem

>brand new album is completely ignored
>waaah they broke up

There's nothing cringier than men who can't wrap their heads around the appeal of masculinity. These people honestly shouldn't exist. Evolutionary abberations, every single one.

ANONS GATHER IN THEIR MASSES
JUST LIKE BITCHES WITH FAT ASSES

EVIL FREAK THAT WISH DESTRUCTION
SORCERERS OF KEK'S CONSTRUCTION

IN THE THREADS, FOR SAUCE THEY'RE YEARNING
AS THE PORN MACHINE KEEPS TURNING

DEATH AND HATRED TO MANKIND
POISONING THEIR BRAINWASHED MINDS

OH LORD YEAH

OP'S A FAGGOT, YEAH I SAID HE'S GAY

DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S MAKING THREADS FOR

BE-ING A NIGGERFAGGOTS NEVER BEEN ALRIGHT

SOME-ONE SHOW THIS PLEB THE DOOR

Cute

For a lot of people, heavy metal is today's real rock-and-roll, the music of the people. It's basic, it's rude, kids love it, parents hate it. But a closer look reveals how stupid and delusory it is. Metal is not basic. It cultivates a pseudo-virtuosity that negates content. The dreams it promulgates are foolish and often destructive. Eighty percent of the "people" who like it are male and 98% of them are white.

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I need more of these

he is just acting out his internalised footfaggotry

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13 was great album and Underrated imo. happy they know when to call it quits

not suprising kek

I've done entire songs about various subjects. Probably autism desu

Eh, just felt like a bunch of outtakes from MOR and they had to use tons of studio doctoring to cover up Ozzy's shot voice.

More like Dad Sabbath.

Yet Christgau inexplicably thought Motorhead were pretty good.

Must be why your mom always plays them while I give her the ol heavy metal

Sabbath isn't Metal.

Well Motörhead isn't Metal. It's really hard rock.

Bullshit. The term was coined in relation to Sabbath and their contemporaries.

The term has evolved.

Hand of Doom has gotta be one of their best songs

Yeah they are, their debut album is the first album that you can still recognize as heavy metal

For such a band that have been around for a long time, it surprises me that only four, five albums are worth listening to.

Seven

Help me understand something. They looked like 80's hair metal bands, but a decade earlier and played blues rock? What could be so special about them? Just by looking at them, it seems that they're insincere and not worth listening to.

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ozzy > dio

It's genuinely mystifying

>Well Motörhead isn't Metal. It's really hard rock.
Try telling people in 1980 that.This fine "not metal" delineation didn't exist. Even Nugent was metal.

If Sabbath isn't metal then what was the first metal band?

Clear Light

The term "metal" was thrown around pretty liberally in the 70s-80s to reference any band that had a sound primarily based on riffs and solos. Many of Christgau's reviews/columns from that time do this, although he always considered Aerosmith as hard rock even though they were riff/solo based.

Metal is based on classical music scales and can have variable time signatures while hard rock is based on the blues scale and is always in 4/4 time.

Not at all true. Punk rock largely dispensed with any kind of blues sound. Also most people consider nu metal as a branch of metal rather than hard rock, and it just has power chords with no solos.

>Metal is based on classical music scales and can have variable time signatures
So early Black Sabbath isn't metal? Nor is Kill Em All?

serious answer, either blue cheer or vanilla fudge

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Some Sabbath songs are very bluesy, especially Fairies Wear Boots. The real distinction between metal and hard rock has more to do with the use of distortion than what says,

Obviously some metal is blues-based and some hard rock is not. Also metal always has riffs (not always solos though) but hard rock may be either riff or power chord based.

As I said, Aerosmith were one of the main influences on 80s rock and all the 80s metal guys worshiped them, even though they weren't metal and have always been considered as hard rock.

Like all developments in rock, metal was primarily made possible by technology advancements, namely effect pedals and more powerful amps. It wouldn't have been possible to play metal riffs in Chuck Berry's day because there wasn't any way at that time to get those sounds out of a guitar.

yeh i agree

80s metal was defined by the high gain saturated-preamp sounds that you started hearing around the time of the first Van Halen album. The "screaming lead guitar" sound was delivered on tap from that generation of amps for the first time.

In the 60s & 70s to get that you had to have big high wattage amps and really overload them to get a METAL sound. Also pickup makers like Dimarzio and Seymour Duncan mainly catered directly to bands to help with that stuff. And probably specially built preamps could be obtained but you had to know the right people.

Ayyy

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