User, why is it immoral to be attracted to teens?

user, why is it immoral to be attracted to teens?

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Nothing in this world is intrinsically moral or immoral, the concept is a creation of humankind.

15+ is totally fine to be attracted to, we just have laws against it because they're stupid fucking teenagers

It isn't. You shouldn't beef them though. They're people, just too young to make a sound decision.

because you're a pedo.

Depends on how young.
If they don't have the mental capacity or maturity to operate an automobile, they certainly shouldn't be able to consent to sex.

good gravy

and 16 isn't too young to make a sound decision? (half of US)?
15? (many other countries)
14? (some countries)
13? (a few countries)
12? (some mexican states)

the line for what is immoral, what is a mental disorder, and what ought to be enforced by gunpoint and years in prison, is puberty.

>sex
OP didn't ask about sex.

Age?

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> Anonymous 12/11/16(Sun)01:29:
moarrr

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well the thing is, there actually is no law, in the US at least, setting a minimum driving age. There's minimums for public roads, 15-16, but on private property? no limit.

They're not legally allowed to give consent for anything else, that's why all forms require the signature of a parent/guardian for minors. It's not too much of a stretch to put legal limits on the age they can give sexual consent

>pleb

who is this?

Well, it's still the same reasoning.
We see youth and innocence as vulnerability, and most people feel obligated to defend all children, even the ones that aren't their own.
And when it comes to teenagers, they're on that cusp between adulthood and childhood, so most people default to the behavior you exhibit towards the latter.
That's why attraction, which is the precursor to sexual aggression, especially in men, to teens is considered taboo.

amazing reference.
I'd have fucked her from season 3 onwards.

Quite the opposite, they're allowed to give consent for EVERYTHING else, EXCEPT legal contracts.
what else can't they consent to doing?
and many of the activities they can consent to are WAY more dangerous than sex.

>Implying that wasn't shot in front of a green screen

>Implying that that car wasn't controlled via a remote

so can they have sex with parent/guardian approval?

...they can shoot guns and kill animals with approval, why not have sex?

No.

totally agree

>That's why attraction, which is the precursor to sexual aggression, especially in men, to teens is considered taboo.
shouldn't you be on tumblr?

That's an amazing ass!

Pretty much anything, since the debate is whether or not they can make a sound decision, and you can't consent if you can't make a sound decision. Any crime committed by a minor needs special circumstances for them to be tried as an adult, because society has decided that they can't make sound decisions at their age. When two minors have sex, it's between two people who can't make a sound decision. When a minor and an adult have sex, it's someone who can make a sound decision and someone who can't, so the adult is guilty

I've always thought that calling someone who is attracted to teenagers a pedo was a way of lessening the meaning of pedo. I see a pedo as someone who preys on children and there's a huge dichotomy between 6yos and 15yos, one that covers everything from informed consent to their bodies being more prepared for it. I know that through most periods of time that teenagers married even leading into the 20th century. If you think about the shorter lifespans people, especially settlers, lived then I supposed it makes more sense to marry at younger ages. Now we often live into our 80s and 90s and there's less of a rush so people's minds have shifted.
I don't know, society always has a hair up its ass about something and that's the natural order of things.

They can. If no one presses charges then it's fine. If their parents don't approve then it's statutory rape charges and off to the prison showers

you wanna post more?

And they magically gain the ability to make a sound decision at 18? That's simply not the case. Some NEVER gain that ability

Except if anyone even finds out, all that has to happen is ANYONE not approving, not just family, every single human who knows the relationship exists. All they have to do is tell the police, and it's over.
I'd be fine with allowing consent of both parties and parents to be a requirement. But that's not the law.

..except in mexico, when dealing with really young people, like 12-13, then parental consent matters in a legal context.

Since we can't interview every single person and determine their individual maturity level, an age had to be agreed upon. 18 happened to be that age.

dno. 26 year old with 18 year old gf

It should be legal 16 and up.

>arguing laws
>on Sup Forums
you people are so fucking stupid sometimes...

Not for sex it's not that age.
Even in the US alone, some places it's 16, some 17, some 18.
Then we start talking about the rest of the world, where it goes down to 12 or puberty.
Who's right?
Are the US states set at 16 babarbic?
Just Mexico at 12, but not Brazil at 14?

We have a good line tho: puberty.

Perhaps I should have chosen my words more carefully.
But people cannot help but impute a predatory nature onto anyone that "hunts" so to speak among the youth.

Morality is a construct of behavior designed by culture to live by a set of agreed rules to live civilized among others.
It is not immoral to think anything, but often considered immoral to act on those ideas as it concerns direct interaction with others.

Its fun and funny so fuck why not your stringent adherence to the rules is why you dont get no pussies dawg

>Who's right?
>Are the US states set at 16 babarbic?
>Just Mexico at 12, but not Brazil at 14?
take a fucking long, hard look at mexico...
and long, hard look at brazil...
you honestly think fucking 12 year olds is really benefiting either country? you really think they have a better quality of life?

It's the age that a person is accepted to have the ability to make a sound decision and be responsible for their actions. The reason it's lower in places in the US is pragmatic. There will be people in relationships where one is 16, one is 17, and it shouldn't turn illegal once the elder turns 18.

>your stringent adherence to the rules
what the fuck does "rules" have to do with anything, "dawg"

He thinks if he could screw underage girls he'd have a better chance at getting laid

There's plenty of countries in almighty civilized europe where the AoC is also 14.

close-in-age exemptions are entirely different. The ages I mentioned are the age where no restictions like that are in play, where the partner could be 90. That's right, most US states allow legal sexual relations between a 90 year old and a 16 year old.

>There's plenty of countries in almighty civilized europe where the AoC is also 14
way to avoid the question. gg.

Everything my nigs listen close and ill put you on game hommie

Age Countries (links are to sections on this page)
14 Albania, Andorra, Austria, Bulgaria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Estonia, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Liechtenstein, Macedonia, Montenegro, Portugal, San Marino, Serbia

I think the quality of life in lots of those countries is just fine.

Mexico has its own problems, that some states go 2 years lower than that isn't a contributing factor.

teens are like a wet coat of paint on your car. it looks just so beautiful, but if you take it out for a drive without waiting you'll fuck it all up.

>Albania
>Bosnia
>Estonia
>Hungary
>Serbia

>the quality of life in lots of those countries is just fine.

The 'lots' being mainly Austria, Germany, Italy, Liechenstein, and Portgual.

Don't even try to claim the quality of life in those countries is shitty compared to anywhere else on earth.

This is exactly why religion is so fucked up. People have followed it so long, and forgotten the basics. To think something does not make it immoral. To take upon a physical act onto another person that is the act of immorality.

To lust after someone's wife you're allowed to think whatever you want, but should you make an attempt to fuck her, and she agrees, then you've both done an immoral act.

This is how fucked religion has become, people following the traditions teaching people to fear God leads to generations of people carrying on the traditions, and not understanding the basis of its meaning.
You're not sinning by thinking, but considered sinning when you physically doing onto others that "immoral" act.

yeah, i['m sure life there is just so fucking perfect, simply due to the fact that they get to bang 14yos

which, btw, is completely irrelevant, since OP never mentioned "sex"

You're the one that started with the idea quality of life and age of consent have any relationship whatsoever, by claiming that because mexico and brazil have shit quality of life their age of consent laws are questionable.

>implying OP actually wanted to discuss it and not simply try to get a pizza thread going

Until OP started arguing about whether minors could consent or not

>implying we know who OP is
>implying arguing consent even matters
>implying everyone just doesn't pretend to be experts at everything in life anyways

>You're the one that started with the idea quality of life and age of consent have any relationship whatsoever,

prove to me that they dont...


>by claiming that because mexico and brazil have shit quality of life their age of consent laws are questionable.

i suggested that mexico is so fucked up, that they don't really give a shit about its people or its children. thus no protection for preteens.

but if you honestly think 12 year olds are perfectly grown up enough to take dick, they i'm fine with that.

i'm not going to sit here and try to prove you wrong.

because i know, at the end of the day, there is literally no point to it.

there's no point to anything on this site.

only to kill time...

So much quotation of deleted posts. Great, I missed it. Oh well, I missed it as usual (well not really, I usually don't). But I was busy fapping elsewhere. Likely no loss.

>prove to me that they dont...

because of all the countries that are set at 14 and 15 and have excellent quality of life, and all the countries where it's 18 but have shitty quality of life.

12 is just barely old enough and whether it's ethically and morally acceptable is a valid question, however it shouldn't be a legal one. The line where it's enforced by men with guns and years in a cage should be puberty.

low res pictures anyways.
and showing absolutely nothing worthwhile.

How many of these people who think the age of consent should start at puberty have actually been around girls age 12-15? They're naive, immature, and vapid little pricks

>because of all the countries that are set at 14 and 15 and have excellent quality of life, and all the countries where it's 18 but have shitty quality of life.
post hoc ergo propter hoc

>They're naive, immature, and vapid little pricks
so are a lot of girls in the 20s

>The line where it's enforced by men with guns and years in a cage should be puberty

Based on what? Your sexual attractions?

What? I'm not saying there is a a correlation: there simply *is* no correlation between age of consent and quality of life.

>The line where it's enforced by men with guns and years in a cage should be puberty.

if a chubby 9 year old starts puberty earlier than her peers, you think she's perfectly suitable for deep dicking?

The consensus of the APA on what constitutes a mental disorder, which arises from the fact that's where the line is defined by nature; sexual attraction naturally begins at the age reproduction is possible

only by other 9yos

Precocious puberty is a medical issue no more relevant to the discussion than bringing up the condition that leaves you with the body and mind of a toddler in your 20s.

Legal age here is 15.
Just putting that out there.

>makes puberty the discussion
>"early puberty is not relevant to the discussion"

only accept what supports your argument, right? are you sure you belong on tumblr ;)

So once these girls hit puberty they can feel sexual attraction. That says nothing about their comprehension of the feeling or the actions they might take on that feeling. If anything it makes them more vulnerable than those who are prepubescent

why does your country have a legal age of attraction

irrelevant. old enough to bleed is old enough to breed.

Yes it is, because if someone has a condition that leaves them with the mind of a toddler in their 20s, then they can't consent and any sex would be statutory rape

By law if someone at age 20 had the body, and mind of a toddler with would be legal for that person to decide what they'd want, unless legal guardians had assumed legal authority to govern that person as unfit to decide for themselves.

If you're going to define it that way tho, you're left with that problem not having a clear line either: 13, 14, 15... 18... that problem never goes away.
So, what criteria besides age?

This happened a few days ago.
Btw nobody gives a fuck. Every other 8th grader on up fucking some dude that's 18 or older here.

Met one of my young teen cousins for the first time. She developed a crush on me, and she visited me and my mom this last weekend. Only thing is my mom had to go on a business trip so we were all alone. She kept flirting.. i ended up letting her sleep in bed with me because it was windy and she was scared. We cuddled altho i was still distant. Next day i took her hiking...she flirted more and said her hands are cold and to hold them. Things kept on progressing more and more. We got home and i sat down and she took her shoes and socks off..knowing that i have a foot fetish and put them in my lap. And i rubbed them. I still kept my distance but at night we were in bed and i was singing to her, we had a moment and we kissed. Things just kept progressing....the next day we went for a short day hike to watch the sunset over the city. And i couldn't resist her at all with her being all sweaty. We made out, touched each other and on our way hiking up i came up behind her kissed and held her and rubbed her, pulled down her shorts, bent her over and licked and sucked her holes for a few seconds.
After that i took her shoes off and sniffed and sucked her toes. I can't resist sweaty girls and i love feet.
Everything with her has been the best time I've ever had with a girl. She is so clean and tastes so good too.
We haven't gone further, but she's still here now with me, but my mom just came back tonight and my cousins leaving the day after tomorrow. Probably won't see each other until next summer or spring. I'm not sure. Oh she also told me she loves me. No idea what to do now besides just go with it. I mean i didn't want any of this to happen, but we get along great, have big things in common, have tons of fun etc. So whatever. Lol weird because i never even had sexual interest in her at all until i guess the feet thing lol.

Age of consent. Obviously.
Fuck, Sup Forums, I'm heading back to >>Sup Forums

>you're left with that problem not having a clear line
they made a clear line.
you're just all "THAT LINE SUCKS I WANT TO FUCK KIDS"

No, it wouldn't be legal. Mind of a toddler by definition is incapable of fending for itself on the point of basic survival, nevermind higher decision making
It is NOT legal to have sex with someone with the mental age of 2, no matter how old they really are

cool story bro

Because an age has to be picked. That's why the age of consent differs from place to place, they decided on different ages to draw the line. You can't measure maturity level, so you can't enforce anything based on that

.. and where the fuck did this come from? Who invited you to share this Indian-tier story? Fucking degenerate...

>Age of consent.
what does the legal consenting age of sex have to do with whether or not you can find someone attractive?

what, the line of 18 that half the US and most of the world agrees isn't right and has set elsewhere? that's the only other line i've seen suggested.

so then there's no problem that some places have picked 12 or puberty? ok

See, this is where things get a little complicated, seeing as the average person is incapable of making properly well-considered decisions until the age of 24, by which time the ability of cognitive reasoning becomes fully developed.

So, by this logic legal age of consent should be raised to 24, not remain 18 (or 16, or 15, or whatever)

the line exists in the locale you're in.
if you don't like the line they set, fucking move.
going onto Sup Forums and complaining about how it isn't a good line doesn't change a single thing, does it?

It decides if you're committing a thought crime or not

No legal guardians would have to have pre-arranged such legal authority. Age 17 and 18 are the legal ages of consent unless that person's legal guardians have specified otherwise. Presumably that would have happened earlier on long before.

>So, by this logic legal age of consent should be raised to 24,
and move the drinking age up to 24 also, since college kids are dumb as bricks and can't be trusted.

which is why the natural line of puberty is more appropriate

we're here because we're bored. debating which locale is correct in their determination is a perfectly valid topic for discussion.

double plus ungood

You'd never convince any judge anywhere you thought someone with the capacity of a toddler was competent enough to consent to anything.

>"But your honor, she said "goo goo" instead of sticking her tongue out!!!"

ah. just killing time until someone posts the child porn, right?
gotcha

There's no "toddler" law specifically. There's people with down syndrome whose guardians have to presume such legal authority on behave of the person unable to.

You are trying to vastly oversimplify a very complicated issue. It's not like they picked ages out of thin air. I don't know why the fuck Mexico picked 12, but the US has tried to balance scientific knowledge of cognitive reasoning with the realities of public school ending at 18 and adult life beginning at that point