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ITT we discuss anarchism.

I can explain how my brand of it, anarchocommunism, works.

I can also explain how if you support the establishment thats farming you right now, youre brainwashed and essentially thanking your rapist.

Instead of babbling nonsense, post tits

Why is it nonsense?

I bet you don't even have an understanding of What anarchism is.

How much weed did you have to smoke to think Anarcho-anything works in real situations.

People don't want to work without cause. People want to be led. Law without leadership is meaningless.

I know what anarchism is:
Stinky people with dreadlocks smoking pots

Led my left nut, fuck that

>itt ill explain How your brainwashed

Thats How brainwashed ppl work.

We Are born tabula rasa (blank slate) and What a person turns out to be When grown depends on his environment more than anything.

If the ppl of Modern society were raised in an anarchist society, they'd be anarchists.

Just like now they're fascists. ( more or less)

How much weed did you smoke to think your subject would be taken seriously on Sup Forums?

Obv troll is obv

>Anarchist
>society

chose one

Last time i started this thread we got to like 200 posts.

Ppl either Are interested in a better way or pissed off because they believe there isn't any.

Society =/= government

I choose a society without government, not one without ppl haha.

Chill man, not pissed, just waiting on Spiderman to save us.

How do your opinions differ from those of a classical marxist-leninist?

AnarchoCommunism is the biggest joke I've ever heard.

>society
>noun
>the aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community.

>ordered community
>ordered

anarchism = no order

The part where society is evolving into a communism.

I believe anarchocommunism is a blanket term for a myriad of different societies.

Were evolving into a world where We're not being fucked by the government and corporations. Anarcho(without authority) communism(without private property). How each community decides to set itself up is how i differ from a Marxist.

>fascists
Fuck off. Honestly fascists are better than the useless people that insist on government being evil and brainwashing

Also, the amount of generations having to be raised in an egalitarian anarcho society in order to wipe traditional beliefs that "brainwash" kids into not working for profit would be completely unreasonable. This is the same reason that communism and many far left ideologies won't work in modern society.

Far left societies require traditions to be drowned out by more beliefs. So, unless you somehow get a batch of brainless nobodies willing to work for absolutely no profit, who will at no time fight over resources, then sure, Anarchocommunism works, and there won't be any needed hypocrisy by needing to brainwash those people. Otherwise it has just as much relevance as stories of an utopia from greek times.

But please, mister. Counter me to the point where I can't refute any further

Anarchism meaning no authority. Especially no centralized authority. I do not envision my ideal society as one without order.

What if someone commit a crime?
Who is going to punish him?

Checkmate. You need some form of authority.

no one will commit crime because law is abolished

Dont mind if i do

Point blank fascists Are by far not better than "useless insisting on government being evil and brainwashing" people.

To mention maoism, and nazism is more than enough evidence to prove that but, modern America (im sure wed all prefer that too doing whatever we want 6/7 days of the week and working half the day on the seventh, for an equal quality of life) could also be included in the list of fascist countries if you really wanted it to.

And yea it might take a few generations. And it would get better with each one.

And sure there might be some violent ppl. Guaranteed to be. But with an increase in commonly available resources that becomes less prevalent. And without a military those ppl will not have the capacity to fuck shit up enmasse.

No to what that other guy said.

The community that is hurt by his actions. Thats why its "crime". If it doesn't hurt anyone then ppl mostly won't even give a shit if say hes;

Smoking a joint

Tripping

Fucking a dude

[insert victimless "crime" here]

Etc.

So you basically want a place where people can be robbed, children can be raped, and murders happen every day? That already exists, it's called Africa and there are plenty of wonderful dark skinned gentlemen that think like you

I think that guy should read a bit more about the philosophy off anarchism. His hearts in the right place though.

Africa isnt really an anarchism. The ppl, land and economies have been hugely effected by the colonialist policies of foreign powers. The situation is so bad there not because they generally have no or temporary government but because of the meddling (to put it lightly) OF governments.

I mean a real crime, like nigga raping and killing.
Who punish him? The community as a whole?
And if someone in the community do not agree with the punishment?

Dude, you must go with authority or at least democracy, anarchism is for kids.

Now hold on there mister, youre basically right About democracy. This is going to get semantical but bear with me.

On a very local scale voting will be nessaccary for the function of a community and would naturally bee used to settle minor or otherwise unresolvable issues. There would however NOT BE an overarching or centralized authority to make decisions for ppl on thier behalf. In a way, you could call anarchism a very direct democracy and youd be right. The lines can be a little blurred at that point on the political spectrum. Its just in common vernacular ppl wouldn't understand what is meant so you say "anarchism"

How so?
Majority of fascists (or better yet national socialists) are happy to work for the betterment of their nation. Yes this takes some pretty deep drilling, but that drilling leads to a better life for majority of the society.

And please explain to me why America is apparently akin to Mussolini's Italy to you. I'd love to know how you confuse capitalism with national socialism with interfused ideas of capitalism.

Furthermore, what stops people from not working on the last day of the week? Is there punishment? How is food regularly available through this system? Wouldn't majority of everyone's week be merely tending a field to feed their family? Where would technological advancements come in a society that doesn't fund sciences? Do you expect masses of scientists to work their lives, possibly starving, to advance society for no reason but the vague "to help everyone"?

Also
>without a military
So now we are talking a global Anarchocommunist movement? How the fuck are people from globally different backgrounds supposed to work together, without profit, without true reason, when they can't already with both?


Fuuuuck, I want whatever you've been smoking. Hit me up.

Direct democracy, I'm OK.
Eventually your little community will start to commerce with the near towns, instead of bargain for each bucket of apples, you make a stable and lasting agreement.
You also need someone who enforce this contract.
Eventually another community will decide to take your land, you have to make alliances with friendly towns and organize an army.
Eventually....

Oh wait, already happened in ancient times, it's the bird of civilization.

Anarchists are just sick of modern society and want to rebuild everything from scratch, amrite?

What do you mean by drilling?

I think punishment could be imposed but by far would bee unnecessary. With the high and easily attained quality off life in an anarchism ppl would be willing to give a small portion of thier time to help out. Especially considering the local based and tight social cohesion that comes along With anarchism.

And there's no reason resources can't be pooled from a number of communities for research considering the abundance were talking about here.

And i say they can With both. Its just taking a while, unfortunately. Sociological change is slow and takes time to really set in. The move toward anarchism is evident and accelerating however since the advent of the internet and the correlating spread of information and ideas.

And lsd bro. LSD+meditation.

Yep. We think With the history books, we can learn from and not repeat our previous mistakes.

And i think as well the "negative aspects of human nature" like the desire too kill conquer control etc. Arent held by the common populace at large. Perhaps inn the beginning off civilization the things government did was a manifestation of these desires in the ppl. But now the opposite is true and we see governments starting wars while the bulk of its constituents protest or at least disagree with it. Most ppl want a happy family life. Standing armies want war.

Bampin for freedom

Some of your community will end up with a very charismatic person who will want more power.
There is no escape, evil exist and anarchism is a too shallow ideology, can't deal with evil.

Hi again. You might remember me as the guy in the last thread who was totally dissatisfied with the answers you provided for your political beliefs, though that probably doesn't narrow the field very much. How are you tonight, man?

Thats a big assumption. It takes more than charisma to create the fourth reich.

Also yea evil exists. It uses the government and huge corporations given free range by the government as tools to fuck the ppl. Sure you'll still have the evil.

It'll just be limited to like groups of three dudes with guns that are constantly being hunted instead of soldiers and executives that are praised for being pieces off shit.

You'd have the same problems but they wouldn't be exacerbated by corrupt authority. Which not to mention is an evil itself that would be done away with.

AnPrim you fucking technology abusing cuck.

Oh i member!

Your the most cynical person in the world right?

Im solid man got a handle of decent whiskey and my tunes.

Hbu?

Anarchy means crossing when it says don't walk.

I loved zerzans origin off the 1%. But do disagree with the notion that to live as anything other than Hunter gatherers is to eventually doom ourselves to the onset off government. I think we can learn how to avoid our previous pitfalls.

And ik your fucking with me but there really is a case to be made for anarchoprimitivism.

You cuck.

Thats illegalism. Its an offshoot of individualist anarchism. Just one shade of anarchism.

Yup. That's me. Working, like always. Just had a breakfast sandwich, so I'm pretty much set for the night.

The maoists were totalitarian left and Nazism is a seperate ideology from fascism, retard. The actual fascists were Italy, Bulgeria in the 30s, Greece in 1922, 1935 Hungary and so on. To call the USA fascist is delusional given the allowance of diversity in parties, and the fact we're not a total military state centered only on war and violence. Use your head before applying labels, Mr. Pseudoanarchist.

>not a military state centered on war

Has our military not, since this country Has existed, perpetually seen action? Wars, undeclared wars, "peacekeeping" missions, etc?

Does the military get brought in if a protest starts having too large off an impact?

Does a third of tax dollars go to the military?

Our freedoms are constantly shrinking and the police's power is constantly growing.

The popular vote is uncounted toward the presidency.

You call all this a socialism?

Mr pseudofascist?

>youre brainwashed and essentially thanking your rapist.
anarchos that are into this more than they are the monotonous bureaucracy of IWW party meetings are usually the ones who end up switching to tankies
This is the one context where monotonous bureaucracy is a good thing

Mmmmm breakfast for dinner. Thats always nice. I like to cook my eggs in bacon grease. Throw some cheese and some bacon/ham/bologna on there. Yea. Haha so why is it man cannot live in harmony with himself and God today?

Tankies?

The various subfactions of the left can be discerned by their stance on certain historical events
The word "tankie" entered into usage during the hungarian crisis of 1956. Within communist parties, those who supported sending in the tanks became known as "tankies".
In modern parlance, Tankie refers to folks in the left who fetishize the soviet union way to much, and believe it could have done no wrong.
And somehow a lot of anarchos end up tankies. It's weird.

I never claimed to be a fascist, I myself am more moderate right. You on the other hand, are part of an ideology that combines political terms that are mutually exclusive. Not to mention, prevalence in wars doesn't equate to a military state, the popular vote doesn't count because we are not a direct democracy, the government we exist in is a presidential constitutional republic not ancient Athens. Furthermore, any suppression of rights is more likely to be advocated for by people whom agree with left-wing social progressivism, a la gun control.

Yea I've never encountered that but, im not a tankie. I don't support communism.

Well, not yet. The tankie does not support communism, or at least thinks it impossible for non-slavic peoples.
It's not communism he likes, but mosins and ushanka's, and as an added dressing he adds a political ideology.

Well, there is no God, and harmony is just pretty dissonance, but I'm a hater, so, eh. You want to really get into it, I would say the reason that man can not exist in harmony is that without the social contract mankind is nothing more than a fucked to death pile of flaming caca. But now were talking Rousseau vs Hobbes here. You strike me as more of a Rousseau. I'd like to say I am more of a Voltaire, but, that's a little too close to tooting my own horn for me to be comfortable with.

HAHAHAHA wtf is a presidential constitutional republic??!!?? And yea "right wing Moderate"... Hahaha

>ITT ill explain to you how your brainwashed

I believe in guns. Most anarchists do. Its how wed break the chains of government. Its how wed protect ourselves from ppl that want to cause suffering and fabricate weapons.

The "new liberal left" are not anarchists. Idk wtf they are. They're hipsters i guess idfk.

You seem to really like the us. Idk where to start. Can you tell me why you think your not in a human farm? At least a third of your paycheck...gone. Can't even have a toke. Cops can literally do whatever They want legally with just a slight stretching of the truth, i mean the offenses against the American ppl go on and on. How Can you support something so completely and obviously corrupt?

>wtf is a presidential constitutional republic??!!?
a republican government in which a constitution is the basis of national law and the head of state (or the executive branch of government is a president.
This is high school social science.

Sounds like a youthful phase to seem cool. Ik what your talking about. Im not, nor will i be that.

Im a passionate fairly well read, anarchist. Not some punk.

Let me ask you this, how can you comment on something you seem to know so little about? You don't even know what a presidential constituional republic is, so what makes you qualified on talking about this country to the depths that you do?

I graduated. Never heard of it. Read polysci textbooks. Never heard off it.

Are you under the impression the government gives a fuck about the constitution?

Come on bro.

Im implying, a "presidential constitutional republic" is a made up fancy word to convince ppl they're not in a fascist country that simply tries real hard to act like its not what it is.

The government doesn't regulate free speech, the government does not violate the sanctity of one's home through quartering, the government allows blacks and women to vote, we can still drink, Hell, congress even agreed on an ammendment that regulates their pay, and even president elect Trump wants to introduce congressional term limits in the fabric of the USA. The only most violated ammendment is II, which is the fault of the libtards, save for Bush senior in 1989.

Since when did jargon that wasn't post-structuralist become a "youthful phase to seem cool"? "Constitutional Presidential Republic" is the opposite of that, it's a term you memorized because you have to for some undergrad level class with a professor that gives even less shits than the students.
>polysci
what does the poly stand for
I assume polymer?

God Damn man. Harmony is pretty dissonance? Where do you Come up with this shit? Thats impressively cynical.

Is there nothing to be said for the strong possibility that without a government creating anti social encouraging socioeconomic conditions, a social contact would be unnecessary to restrain negative behavior because there would be significantly less of it?

You're fucking retarded, because fascism doesn't condone multiparty states, nor does it allow seperate entities to regulate the figurehead's power like in the case of the president's relationship with congress.

It does indeed regulate free speech. Thats why i have to go elsewhere than YouTube too listen to my favorite anarchist band. Why the same shit is always inn the news.

And drinking is horrible man. Id be dumping this whiskey down the drain if i could toke. They took away your food bowl and won't let you outside but because They throw you a bone your content? On the basis ppl do not need governed i state ANY laws restricting my behavior are a violation of my natural right to do what i want so long as it doesn't interfere with others capacity to do what they want. They've gone far beyond that line.

Jesus christ give me a break. Ive been drinking since the start of this thread. It stands for political. I read the books. Didn't go to college. I maintain Its a bullshit term.

It makes the joke of a democracy we live in seem less oppressive by giving the reader the impression his dissatisfaction with society stems from his misunderstanding of It.

The government is fucked up and needs to go whatever you call it.

You have no proof of the government getting away with free speech regulation; in fact you proved how it's still in tact with youtube. If it did infringe free speech, youtube would not be allowed to release opinions that differed from those of the state as youtube is an American company, yet you listen to an anarchist band.

My inability to listen to that band is the proof.

I think Its pretty clear Thats a front. A showing. The ppl that run the world do what they want. Then they make It look like thier money isn't the only thing that matters by moving a bunch of papers around in the government. Then what they want to happen happens regardless.

"Oh Thats a conspiracy!" "the government doesn't act in collusion with corporations and the military and penal system..."

No...

There's a lot of bands that have fuck all on youtube, does that mean it's the government's fault too? Meanwhile people are slinging shit at all political parties including the ones in power on that site and other sites on your what appeares to be an American server which they could just as easily censor. Why don't they censor it?

You think that's a front, but how about you step out of the theoretical realm with actual proof?

Gotta keep up appearances. Theyll get into more shit than Its worth censoring ppl that still support the government regardless of what itdoes. But few will listen to a censored anarchist. (you). Besides there are a lot less of us.

Don't you think that considering there's, by your account, few anarcho-capitialists (not real anarchists btw) that's more the reason why we don't hear from you assholes much?

Do we live in the same world???? Have the rich consistently gotten richer and the poor poorer? Freedom limited? Police power increased? Auto and now health insurance made mandatory? It wouldn't matter what i cited to u as proof. You'd eat up whatever bullshit explanation your farmers gave you.

"No user, its not that everything is getting worse from when your parents grew up... U know, unlike they did, that youre living in a presidential constitutional republic...everything's fine... Make sure to explain that to youre children so me and my friends can control 60% of the wealth. And then the government will be something else. Never a front to convince you your not a piece of human livestock."

anarcho-capitalism

You don't hear from us, because there isn't many of us. Because most people prefer too take the red white and blue dick in thier ass rather than fight it. They tell themselves comfortable lies and bullshit philosophies and go to college and agree with each other on all the important parts. Its sick.

Yea...

Is my cynical friend still here?

So instead of appealing to a logical argument, you dump ancap rhetoric that doesn't have much to do with answering my question; way to establish credibility for your cause.

I'll agree with you on the college part, but you've yet to impressingly substantiate yourself.

Your both completely unopen to my belief. If by a miracle i was too speak so eloquently as to convince you of the possibility of living without being fucked by the government and economy it wouldn't matter. You'd both forget about it By tomorrow and thank God for birthing you in the US.

Do either of you actually have any interest in anarchism or are you so educated you automatically know better?

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Define you "two," if you mean the supposed entities that have been arguing with you about proof and censorship, that's just me. I know a degree of anarchism, and I also know about the right-wing offshoot you practice. Suffice to say I am by no means an expert, nor do I claim to be. It is however noted that actual anarchism never succeeded in their socialist revolutions or did not live very long as a group following their civil wars. Anarcho-capitalism has yet to surface as a substantial entity. Today I argue with you to asses the validity of Ancap doctrine in conjunction with assessing how well you can support your original post. So far I see you're not doing an excellent job as you've either deflected, implemented fallacies, and only appealed to Pathos and brushed on Ethos, yet won't solidify your statements with Logos. It's not that I'm more educated, it's that you suck at arguing.

That is funny...

And im talking about a global revolution.

But now Im going to bed.

Especially since the only ppl still in this thread are closeminded and simply talking shit. Enjoy that red white and blue cock in your ass.

Till next time b!

Fuck off then you illogical fake.

Anarchy is for simps.

So have I. Don't make me much less coherent.
Sure, the government is fucked, have I said otherwise? It might not be "the government" that is fucked, but governing and governmentality in general.

But there's nothing particularly shocking in saying such, really. What is useful is not pronounciations, but analysis. I don't care to hear that the government is fucked, I want to know what techniques, what bodies of knowledge, what methods it has to propagate this quality of fucked-upness. And in general, I find it very useful to that end not to accuse everyone else of being brainwashed.

Just because your a anarchist doesn't mean your communist there are a lot of different ones.

Aight, I'm taking over the position of thread anarchist. I go to the meetings and meet the community and pay the group dues. And I drink the copious amount of drinks that all these activites involve. So ya'll got questions about anarchism, I'll answer them.

If someone commits a crime then he will be send at a his Local Law Council where every citizen of the area will vote in order to what the punishment will be.Anarchsim does not mean no Laws it mean no masters you fucking pricks.

9/11 was an inside job.

Well really its about who has the force in a society to carry out a punishment. They make the rules and enforce them its the same thing with anarchy. Which wouldn't stay free long and would turn into a dictatorship. Im all for anarchy in principle and it can work in a small community setting but large scale im not sure. Because of humans basic nature to want to control, and the fact that there is always a power structure even in friend groups.

Better dead then red

Oi! You fuckin cuck, what makes you think that ancom can work when ancap is the future? How will you answer to Ancap Bird?

There was a time when we anarchists of the old sort of could think of ourselves as the future, to the point of tacitly accepting dialectical explanations of our superiority.
Hubris is a character flaw, bruv.

Are you anarcho-communist, anarcho-syndicalist, minarchist, ego-anarchist, individualist, anarcho-naturist, social-anarchist, collectivist anarchist, insurrectionary, Syncretic, anarcho-primitivist, eco-anarchist, anarcha-feminist, anarcho-pascifist, Post-anarchist, or anarcho-capitalist.

I would like to stay and argue this, but I've got things I need to do in 5 hours.

Anyway, g'night and sleep tight