Why does Zack Snyder feel there needs to be so much christfaggotry in superhero stories?
>Men fall from the sky, the gods hurl thunderbolts, innocents die.
>God versus man; day versus night; Son of Krypton versus Bat of Gotham!
>'Cause that's what God is. Horus. Apollo. Jehovah. Kal-El. Clark Joseph Kent. See. What we call God depends upon our tribe, Clark Jo. Because God is tribal. God take sides. No man in the sky intervened when I was a boy to deliver me from Daddy's fist and abominations. Mm mm. I've figured it out way back, if God is all powerful, he cannot be all good. And if he's all good then he cannot be all powerful.
>And now God bends to my will.
>You were never a god. You were never even a man!
>If man won't kill God, the Devil will do it!
>God have mercy on us all.
>Now God is good as dead.
>Ding-dong, the god is dead.
>Mother of God, would you look a the time.
Matthew Green
probably because it made sense in context
Connor Gomez
Because its the easiest symbolism and parallel you can draw to Superman.
He just overused it as though he were the first cunt to ever see it.
Thomas Myers
all of that is terrio
Brody Turner
It's not that it doesn't make sense, it's that it's insanely frequent. There is SO MUCH it's distracting. He won't stop beating the audience over the head with the parallels. It's patronising and pretentious and sophomoric.
Wyatt Ross
Terrio wasn't involved in the steaming shitpile of christfaggotry that was MoS.
Gavin Anderson
so having allusions to jesus is bad just because? i mean hell, the movies are implying the bible is capeshit too
Charles Peterson
Alusion implies subtle.
Aaron Harris
not at all allusion isn't inherently subtle
Gabriel Nguyen
Hence implies, fucknugget. The amount Snyder overuses the trope it becomes supratext rather than subtext. I mean, is it really allegorical if you have characters outright asking "is he the messiah?"
Alexander Anderson
Because all movies obviously need some kind of subtext and the jesus one is the easiest for a hack to use.
Jayden Johnson
Is a trick to give faggots an argument to defend the movie if everything else fails
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James Perry
>Linking to an OP claiming he worked on the film
Yeah, cause we never get people making unfounded claims on here
Sebastian Long
hence no, that's bullshit. allusion can be subtle if you want it to be
yes, it can be even the allegory of the cave explicitly states its concern after having gone through the extended scenario. these things aren't mutually exclusive
the movies aren't saying that superman himself is jesus anyway, and no one complained when nolan made harvey dent a jesus figure
Julian Lee
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Carson Lee
>nolan made harvey dent a jesus figure
That must've been subtle because I don't recall any reference, unless you're grasping at it with the whole "he died for Gotham" thing.
Jaxson Gonzalez
No one complained when the Joker summoned the Deceptions either.
Because much like Harvey Dent being Jesus, that shit didn't happen.
Jackson Ortiz
*tips*
Isaac Stewart
Could you try to reframe your arguments more coherently? I see you're defending Snyder for making the most childish and simplistic Jesus / Superman "allusions" but you stumble.
Kayden Peterson
the dark knight had this whole thing about WHITE KNIGHT and DARK KNIGHT with harvey constantly referred to as the WHITE KNIGHT the city NEEDS
in the scene where harvey takes that one joker lackey batman confronts him about how he's putting his purity at stake, how he's risking the hope he represents for the city
ultimately what does joker do? he takes ultimate symbol of hope the city had and 'brought him down to our level'
batman kills him, guy is lain in a jesus pose, and batman turns the face, after which he takes on the blame for harvey's si- i mean crimes. i suppose that one is clever because it subverts the jesus trope. fucking watch that scene again if you don't believe me hell, even terrio said he had to avoid rewriting the dark knight
all i'm saying is that assertions the guy is making are not solid
yes, allusion can be subtle but they by no means have to be. also, allusions aren't bad just because they're obvious
Gavin Morales
>A Jesus pose You mean crucified...? Bullshit.
Ryan Baker
This. That's literally the only Jesus parallel the user draws and its false.
Henry Cook
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Jordan Perry
Huh. I guess if you want it to be a crucifixition pose it kinda is. The rest of his plot still doesn't remotely fit though.
Lincoln Taylor
forgot to add: after harvey's death, the city passes the dent act, which keeps with the jesus trope of having the death have some sort of effect and meaning for the community dent death actually means something because hope remains in his untattered image, and the city cleans itself up. hence the tragic nature of the story, purity maintain through a noble lie
Hudson Jackson
>10 references to God >In Genesis 1 we find the phrase "God said" 10 times
Hmm, I wonder..............
Kayden Turner
>Any death with repercussions is an allusion to Jesus You're fucking grasping at straws. One pose doesn't make the rest of your argument make sense.
Ryder Young
because you don't need 1 to 1 equivalences for allusions and parallels to fit. the presentation of ideas is coherent
Logan Peterson
jesse should be the next true detective tbqh senpai
Jacob Martin
I'm not asking one to one, I'm asking for more than falling in a vague crucifixion pose. Dent isnt a Christ figure beyond making a sacrifice. By that argument every character who ever died in any film is Christ. Its not enough of a coherent argument to hold water. Trying to equate this which you're really having to force to Hack Snyder is fucking laughable.
Lucas Rodriguez
>>Any death with repercussions is an allusion to Jesus except its not what i'm saying at all. even the joker says that the fight between him and batman is for gotham's SOUL and his ace in the hole is in breaking hope people have through harvey
i've already proven the jesus pose, connected it with how batman flips his face to the pure side and batman's comment on how the city 'needs its true hero, *I* killed those men'
Brandon Reed
>tfw I actually like the symbolism in Batman v Superman even though it may be a meme its refreshing for capeshit
Lucas Stewart
i BELIEVE in harvey dent
i'm presenting evidence, and all you're saying is 'lol no' and of course i'm not saying any character who dies is immediately a jesus figure.
Jacob Diaz
But you're making a bunch of claims and sauyi g that it makes it Jesus like, but it doesn't.
Dent wasn't persecuted for doing the right thing by the people.
Jesus didn't have a polar opposite Dark Jesus.
A reference to a SOUL doesn't make the characters involved messianic.
Yes, yourpve proven the pose. That's it. That's all. Nothing else holds up in support of your Dent is Jesus crap.
>BELIEVE FFS really? Have you never seen political posters? Belief =/= Religious Shut the fuck up, your theory is shit except for a fucking POSE
Isaac Hall
because it's the only symbolism plebs have access to anymore
Alexander Thompson
>Dent wasn't persecuted for doing the right thing by the people. irrelevant >Jesus didn't have a polar opposite Dark Jesus irrelevant
one to one equivalences aren't necessary
i just googled dark knight harvey dent jesus and a bunch of shit shows up that goes even more into it than i have. i only notice certain things because of my interest in ideology
the point is that it's there, i'm not saying its deep or objectively good, all i'm saying is that there was deliberate intent from the filmmakers in how they presented their story
i've backed up my claims. the statements of yours i've pointed out above pretty much prove that this isn't you're forte/are of interest. that's fine, but this is how this shit works
Tyler Martin
>These points are o ky relevant she. They are in support of me, but otherwise I ignore them Were done kid. >I've backed up my claims You haven't, you drew together a series of separate facts in support of a final answer THEY DO NOT SUPPORT
Isaac Evans
how does dent not going through that ordeal invalidate what i'm saying???? by the way, you know how does go through a turn in public opinion in the dark knight??.........
jesus didn't have a polar opposite well, he had a tempter and if i remember right, there's a character in the dark knight who was always having moments where he was trying to convince other characters of something....
i have backed up my claims, you haven't actually countered the connections i'm drawing.
its the confluence of all of these things that support the idea that nolan was working with some theological ideas in his story.
and do you really think den't jesus pose is pure coincidence? and you have the gall to talk down to me in light of that?
Sebastian Gray
This
Snyder wanted to make sure that the audience gets it.