Why do Eastern Euros get so angry when you mention the good points of Communism?

Why do Eastern Euros get so angry when you mention the good points of Communism?

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'cause they're too brainwashed to have an unbiased opinion on communism

Marxism is the ideal desu

it's just a shame true communism will likely never be implemented in the west. And if it is, it'll be just another rich dude who read the manifesto once and let power go to his head like Castro.

I also love when people harp on failed communist states but completely ignore the atrocities and countless people starving every day because of capitalism.

>i'm not gonna name any though because it'll get btfo in comparison to any commie deed

>he still got BTFO'd

Capitalism is infinitely worse than communism. If you disagree you're literally a socioeconomic cuckold.

Does seeing millionaires with nice cars and money out of the ass get you off? I bet you enjoy going to work every day to perform labor so that guy can make even more money to spend on cool shit like another car and an in-ground pool!

A potential Japanese, American, or British communism would be wildly more successful and in line with the Marxist view of history, which maintained that capitalism was one transitionary stage towards socialism and finally Communism. What happened in Eastern Europe in China was a leap from agrarianism to socialism without the infrastructure building naturally associated with an influx of capital, meaning things went about in an ersatz manner, and some pseudo-capitalism took place in these countries anyway.

Yet in spite of these setbacks I still think the legacy of the USSR is one worth defending. The pitfalls of socialism in the 2nd/3rd world shouldn't prevent us from pursuing it in the 1st.

It's funny whenever some butthurt Balt or Pole maintains some sort of authority, having "lived through Communism," as though his experience would match up to ours in any meaningful way.

spot the argument

All i see is crying from the moms basement tbqh.

The argument is that you are literally being robbed and are ok with that.

The benefits outweigh the downsides

Because Brazil is still an undeveloped country.
If you look to the developed world, the contradictions of captialism cannot hold much longer.

Because communism is impossible to achieve.

>good points of communism


Good points such as?

>Because Brazil is still an undeveloped country.
meanwhile the communist shitholes in SA are falling apart.
>If you look to the developed world
None are communists. What a surprise.

Any ideal is impossible to achieve. If you speak to loberts, we're still waiting on "true capitalism" despite centuries of political order that have actively promoted this ideology.

>t-this time it'll work

I'd assume it's because they know what communism is actually like on account of living through it.

Utopist english teacher pls...

Labor as a means of generating use value rather than exchange value, the latter of which is incredibly inefficient and takes an enormous toll on human livelihood and the environment.

>meanwhile the communist shitholes in SA are falling apart.
Their economies and infrastructure are just as crude, if not cruder. Plus they face external hostility at every turn. What to expect from a country like Venezuela, which exports oil and nothing else?

this attitude is what allows the bourgeois to continue exploiting the working force. "eh, it could be worse."

How about "it could be better"? I'm not sure what it's like in Brazil, but an average work week here is 40 hours, i.e. a majority of your time. Dunno about you but I think my labor + time is worth more than what I'm paid. Just barely getting by every week is a pretty shit deal for 40 hours of my time.

it's possible if there aren't capitalists actively trying to sabotage it

Wasn't real communism tho

40 hours isn't a majority of your time

>study arithmetic, working your way up to the big bad multiplication table
>jump directly to integral calculus
>fail the class

>WTF this is bullshit! we need to ban calculus so that I never fail again!

whale.to/c/Behind-Communism-by-Frank-L.-Britton.pdf

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>it wasn't true communism

I didn't expect communism.

youtube.com/watch?v=GSbe87Y65ls

Nor should you. Read Marx.

There are no capitalist atrocities.

Atrocities are things like genocide, like the Ukrainian Holodomor or the Chinese Cultural Revolution.

I lived in Communism and it is nightmarish. Everyone is afraid, no advertisements means no color or vibrancy in public. Without the motivation of reward for hard work everyone works as little as possible.

No thanks, i got better things to do.

Because communism is a disease of the soul

>tfw you realize utopian marxism is gay, would never work and will ALWAYS spell doom
>tfw you realize Stalinism is both the best and only universally applicable form of communism

Indeed. An attrocity is a deviation from the norm. Under capitalism, it's baked into the system. That somebody should go for want of food, education, or medical treatment is an indication that the system is working.

why do Russian have to suck communist dick? It hurt Russia more than any other country

Single mothers working full time jobs trying to support their children and struggling to get by every week isn't an atrocity? Elderly people being unable to afford their medications and unable to retire isn't an atrocity? The fact that it's illegal to feed homeless people in many parts of the country isn't an atrocity?

These are violations of basic human rights but ok.

also worth noting

I know a lot of the anti-communist rhetoric comes from Sup Forums spillover... you guys do realize the "ghetto black people" you hate so much are a direct result of capitalism, right? Crime exists because of poverty. Poverty exists because of capitalism. Nobody chooses to be a fucking crack dealer, nobody wants to do that shit. If you guys want to "get rid of crime" start by getting rid of poverty, something that has to exist in order for capitalism to thrive.

dumb fucking westerners

Oh yeah, just pul the Sup Forums card when you should be in there with your ideologue bullshit.

>centuries of political order that have actively promoted this ideology

Wat? Stop being retarded. Capitalism has been lambasted from all sides for hundreds of years. From the church which would rather have everyone poor, pliable and desperate for words of solace to the monarchs who would rather not have anyone else getting too powerful to the envious poor who would rather have everyone in the same dirt.to the communists who would rather distribute everything based on party affiliation

>it's possible if there aren't capitalists actively trying to sabotage it

They tried it in Israel. Still didn't work.

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>good points of communism

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I told you to return to Russia already, Ivan

what is la Commune de Paris

yeah it does, know why?

because the last time their farmers just kept on producing food that didn't sell they suffered from Dustbowl inadvertedly ruining the Midwest

go to school Sasza

I am wondered why eastern euros who had MUCH more freedom and wealth than us hate communism and a lot of dumb russians admire communism even though they lived MANY TIMES worse than polacks or hungarians or georgians or latvians.

Like really, commies murdered millions of your people and you like them. Meanwhile in other countries they murdered... thousands and people HATE them.

Because the few good points you could find if you looked really hard are completely meaningless compared to how monstrous and abominable the system was.

Go fuck yourself, scum.

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>Single mothers working full time jobs trying to support their children and struggling to get by every week isn't an atrocity?

If lefties didn't start this whole emancipation thing, they would be happily married. Or unhappily. But still taken care of.

>Elderly people being unable to afford their medications and unable to retire isn't an atrocity?

Those elderly should've invested into a cohesive and supportive family instead of socialist retirement plans.

>you guys do realize the "ghetto black people" you hate so much are a direct result of capitalism

They are a result of the enabling welfare state that made it possible to raise children on your own. Affirmative action killed any strive for betterment the blacks ever had.

>because the last time their farmers just kept on producing food that didn't sell they suffered from Dustbowl inadvertedly ruining the Midwest
non planned """"economy'""""

consider that monstrosity might have been on account of general European autocracy rather than anything inherent to Communist ideology?

It's not like famines, pogroms, and strife were rare in Europe before communist movements.

Because we lost far more than you did

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Exactly none of these posts provided a single argument. All of it is just mindless "HAHA LE COMMUNIST STRAWMEN" or "BUT WHAT ABOUT X".

>inb4 any variety of insults, of which not a single one will include an argument

14% of your people vote for commies like wtf

>they just dont get it

>great Irish migration
>the Irish have no fucking idea how to farm Midwestern America
>they just keep on planting and harvesting shit without a moment of respite for the soil
>and they cut all the trees
>there's already enough good for the market and the foreign countries don't buy it
>prices keep dropping
>whatdo.jpg
>let's farm some more

>suddenly there's nothing to stop the Midwestern wind
>suddenly the wind gets really dangerous
>fast forwars 2 years
>Midwest looks like "Dune"
>sandstorms all day everyday
>there's dust on people's desks in fucking Chicago
>it takes Roosevelt years trying to manually untangle this shit with commie-like programs

Not a thing, thanks god

Sanders 2020 bro!

pure capitalism is bad. that's why most developed countries (sans the USA) have a lot of restrictions that make life better for the average person, and it works (for now).
maybe in the future, we can have a society where nobody has to work because robots do everything. but we're not there yet

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Old fucks who are butthurt because they've spent their whole life building communism which isn't worth dick in capitalism

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Liberal democracies with a social safety net and a market based economy are objectively the most stable and prosperous countries. Radical leftism and radical rightism are retarded.

But you autists are going to argue until this thread has 400 or so replies and gets archived and nobody is going to change their mind.

It's more that the inherent autocracy of the system is made necessary by need to enforce the communist ideology.

>pure capitalism is bad

Pure capitalism has never been tried.

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Can we just agree that pure anything is just pure shit? Wont happen and never will in our lifetimes.
Stop dreaming about some fucking utopia.

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>I'm too lazy to read into anything so I'll just stick in the exact center and keep things the state they're currently in because I'm allright, Jack.

>They are a result of the enabling welfare state that made it possible to raise children on your own.
Then why is the black fertility rate below the replacement level in America? Why does the vast majority of money that single mothers get come from child support and not the welfare state?

>Affirmative action killed any strive for betterment the blacks ever had.
A lot of states don't even have affirmative action and they still have ghettos, like California, and the law required that affirmative action ONLY applies to equally qualified candidates. If someone less qualified than you gets hired because of their race, you can sue the company.

>radical ideologies work IN THEORY you just need to have faith bro!

>Affirmative action killed any strive for betterment the blacks ever had.

Nah. The War on Drugs was responsible for that.

t. jamal

>child support
>not welfare state

>like Commiefornia
>ghettoes

Ghettoes can work as long as the people in them do instead of leeching benefits.

>sue company for hiring a black man
>get villified by the press and possibly the judge if he is liberal

>this ideology goes totally agianst what my professor told me so it's radical

And the war on drugs goes directly against the free market. Capitalism ho!