Explain why Communism works

Explain why Communism works.

>Protip - You Can't.

Everybody is provided for.
Everybody is happy.
Everyone is very productive and creative out the goodness of their spirit.
People work hard because they want to help one another.

Yeah, in theory. Not in practice you moron.

How well did that work for the USSR?
Bread lines where a lot of people didn't get their share, horrible economy, horrible everything. Good theory, bad practice.

You still can't know if it works in practice as every form of communism taken in practice has always been manipulated by the leaders of the movements
>stalin
>fidel castro

marxism in its pure form has still never been taken in practice

Explain why Capitalism works.

>Protip - You Can't.

And that's why it fails.

Typical leftist argument; "b-but communism has never been tried!!!". It's been tried countless times and each time has resulted in famine, mass murder and economic downfall.
You can regurgitate the same old pathetic argument as many times as you like, it doesn't change the fact you are objectively wrong.

Either this is bait or you are mentally ill.

Dodging the question, american pig.

Boi if I'm working harder and did much more for my degree I demand to be paid more. I'm not gonna be paid the same and everything should be balanced with someone who didn't fucking finish their college degree. Fuck outta here with that bullshit

>American pig
I'm from the U.K
gg though

Explain why any ism works
>> pro tip, you can't

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> It's been tried countless times and each time has resulted in famine, mass murder and economic downfall

because

>every form of communism taken in practice has always been manipulated by the leaders of the movements

explain the why am I objectively wrong about the fact that an actual process of communism has never been taking place without some shit going on behind it and why it's pathetic as it's facts and not some "theory"

The explanation is too long, just look at the evidence.

The best countries to live in are those closest to capitalism

gg=pork

>not posting the gif version
Into the gulag you go.

The only way it will ever work is if you get 100% full participation and if every individual gives up their liberty to a government. Where they will give in and allow everything to be spoon fed equally. This will not work or will ever work in a society with millions yet thousands of people.

That's extremely ethnocentric of you to claim that any country that practices YOUR economic structure as being better.

it doesn't, it's a flawed ideoligy from the foundations

Eurotrash confirmed.

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a scientist and a garbage man should make the same wage.

/thread

Are you fucking retarded? The 5 biggest economies are all capitalist democracies

Guess what the 5 smallest are

Okay, since you are the one saying "real communism" hasn't ever been tried. Define communism for discussion purposes.

>ethnocentric
You clearly have no idea of what that means since i didn't mention or imply race or culture.

and it's not just my claim, it's fact. Which countries have the higher standards of living? Are they closer to capitalism or communism?

Communism/socialism can't work because you can't force people not to want more than their peers.

It is human instinct to have more than others to better your chance of survival and prosperity.

There is no such thing as a massive group of people, such as an entire country, who are all happy to be equals.

People have to adopt that ideal on an individual basis; it is not inherited.

Now I know you're trolling

I wish I could pin it, exactly why it doesn't work/has NEVER worked but I think there are a couple of things.

>Low level tier
Doctors should not be payed the same as burger flippers

>Mid tier
Nobody just "wants to work out of the goodness of my heart. Fwieendss" human nature is not like that. At least the observable majority isn't and communism seems to hinge on the idea we all become ants.

>High tier
Its foundation is flawed. People say 'Oh mah marxism pure anarcho capital ferrari has not been put into practice yet' but it is like trying to creawte the perfect poo it is just more iterations of shit

>The 5 biggest economies
>The biggest
from what point of view? I bet it's from the monetary power is it? Cause in 2016 you still balance the power of something about money not viewing how much that power is slowly eating the country from the inside starting from the lowest slowly crawling to the highest? Are we in 2016 or we still talking in 1950 like a dogshit enterpreeur in his fabric with 20 empoylees making fucking honey?

There's no specific version of communism, so of course whoever happens to in charge is going to implement it in their own way.
That doesn't change the fact communism is directly responsible for over 100 million deaths in the past century. You can shift the blame all you like but the fact remains that communism does not work.
Any country that calls themselves a communist governement simply is not. One exception being Veneuzeula; they're under socialist rule and have resorted to eating their own pets because of the lack of food.
Point is, communism has been implemented numerous times. each and every time failing miserably.

It would work if people weren't selfish cunts

Holy shit, you can barely form a proper sentence

What the fuck are you saying nigger

For communism to work a large majority of the population must be almost flawless.

This seems like a dauntingly unlikely scenario.

If you wanna kill yourself then its a good way to get systematically slaughtered by your own government. Other than that it just creates artifical scarcity and the state hordes food and resources for the inner party. Its human nature that it will always go incredibly fucking wrong.

Explain why capitalism works.

>protip: you can't

>implying that there's no other system possible to get more from life than to work a job and make everything to get as much money as possible to convert in things and ideas

>Using questions to try and 1 up me
>Not displaying any real facts

Good try user

It's already been answered ITT, faggot.

Show a little cognitive recognition and figure it out. Sure, he types a mongoloid, but it's understandable. Don't be ignorant.

This user touches on a very valid point.
However you cut it, society will always find away to set itself in to heirarchies. Egalitarianism, like communism, is great in theory. But it's just wrong. We aren't equal and that's that.
So to give a society the means of production has proven detrimental due to a classless society being impossible to achieve.

Explain why I shouldn't put a free bullet into every commie and nigger I see

>protip: you can't

It does work. It's just horrible for everyone involved.

Communism is dictatorship with a nice tone to it.

>what is brexit
Try harder with your low tier insults

Maybe one day it will work. But that day is not today

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every capitalism explanation
oh I forgot the other one
>muh fish and chips + much dosh

How brain dead are you?

Capitalism is based on the assumption that a large majority of humans want a big shiny cock just so they can have a bigger cock than somebody else.

A large majority of humans want a big shiny cock just so they can have a bigger cock than somebody else.

I mostly agree, but you are wrong about egalitarianism.
It means equality of opportunity, which is entirely possible. It doesn't mean equality of outcome (equity).

and capitalism works so fucking well
with all those people dying everywhere and war and famines and climate heating and all that. you fucking moron. all of you. so busy beating on alternative ideas (yet idiotic, but thats intrinsic to authoritarians) you cant even look at how fucking stupid, unsustainable and uneffective capitalism is. if there was put as much energy into implementing world wide communism as there is energy put into sustaining nations and capitalism we would live in utopia shortly after.
to me communism means living to better standards, to overcome the "naturally grown" systems and ideas of humanity and to create systems and ideas that are sustainable, rational and fair.

communism has failed at the hands of hard working factory workers and violent insurgents, does anyone actually think college weebs have a chance at 'worldwide communist revolution'?

and how much are you? I bet more than me anyway so I won't bother any more

Egalitarianism covers equality as a whole, not one specific sub-category.

Then you don't align with communism, you align with the people

Wanting what's best for the world ≠ wanting communism

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Yeah. Capitalism is fucking horrible.

it's not horrible it's just the reality we're living in at the moment

It's not implying any of that. Money is just an abstraction of power, safety, and comfort.

Because money can buy the most elegant house, or the finest art, or the highest quality food, or the most attractive prostitute, or the fastest car, then it is technically all those things at once.

You fail to see through the literal and into the abstract.

Everyone wants something literal that money repesents abstractly.

I'm not sure why I'm even bothering to try and explain this to you.

Yes, but this is what you're getting wrong.
Egalitarianism is about everyone having the same rights (oportunity). It's not about everyone having the same wealth (equity). It's an individualist point of view, which intrinsicly recognizes the differences amongst any two individuals and aknowledges that they won't have the same outcome because of it.

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The fallacy with communism is the belief that it would work if it were only larger. The issue is that the ideal is noble, but execution is impossible. Building a system with enough oversight and government in order to make it work would be such a drain on resources that communism itself is not sustainable.

The reason capitalism works is that it is all self adjusting. The individual sets the prices, and it requires little oversight. The problem people have with it is that through competition almost everyone ends up dropping prices to just over cost, so there is little profit for anyone other than those managing everything. But extreme success will always exist for those select few regardless the system of government chosen.

On the plus side, this competition keeps cost of living very low, and citizens, even poor ones, tend to live very well. One of the big upsets between the USSR and USA during the cold war was the color TV was a luxury few had...but during documentaries about the USA in USSR (they were films shown in color in theaters) to show the disparity between classes...USSR citizens noticed almost all of the lower class had a color TV. So capitalism has its issues, but it is the most cost effective form of government.

>it's just the reality we're living in at the moment
What reality? Where you want everything but need nothing because you're a second-year college student that thinks he has all the answers to all the worlds' problems?

I'm 28, so about 5 years ago I was where you're at. I thought I had all the fucking answers.

Then I got out into the real world. Supported myself. And I realized two things.

1. Liberals are fucking nuts
2. I didn't know shit and 80% of what I learned in college is pointless, outdated or useless in the real world

You keep posting about how evil capitalism is from your Apple iPhone, Sup Forumsreh.

I really hate people like you, you disgust me. You are literal scum of the earth, your no balls, low life fucking hobo who gobbles your father's cock on a daily basis when he gets home from work while your mother watches and your dog cums in your asshole. People like you deserve to burn with the kites and jews, you are worthless, just like them. You should consider suicide as no one cares about your princess faggot ass, you fucking queer, go suck a big floppy donkey dick you massive fucking cuck. You are a fucking dyke who protests along with your furry friends for gay rights while attending your furry convention you fucking nigger. You probably eat at KFC all day using your food stamps while you collect welfare from us white men. Fucking faggot, go complain about the wage gap some more you fucking cunt, you don't deserve shit you literal piece of human excrement. You deserve to die along with a the other races combined, fucking nigger.

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have a (you)

Nice m8. Lmao.

Nice use of Ad Hominem there. Typical of lefties once they've been proven wrong.
There's a reason the west is part of the first world and a lot of that is due to capitalism.
How can you lecture me about how unsustainable a political method is when you support communism?
I know your type, think you know what you're talking about but in reality have absolutely no idea. You prove that by calling us "authoritarians" simply because we disagree with communism. Do you even know what that is? The every single communist leader to come to power has been an authoritarian, yet you still support it? And I'm the moron?
At no point in history has there every been a sustainable, fair and economically viable communist country. Mao Zedong is responsible for more deaths than World War 2 alone. Yet, he's considered a Marxist revoloutionary. I doubt you have any idea who he though. You probably googled "what us communism", found the definition and thought 'hm, this sounds great. I'm going to advocate it!'
Get a fucking grip of reality.

the fact that you're explaining this to me when I already stated money as system and also that you think you wrote that in an "obvious way" makes me understand that not only you did not get the topic of the post but also that you thought to be smart pointing what you wrote out, so you don't need any more response as you already goofed yourself alone

(You)

neck yourself you massive flaming homosexual.
Go suck Bernies cock you sensative liberal faggot.
You probably don't have a father you fucking nigger, go collect welfare and foodstamps and get back to the kitchen you fucking sack of useless shit. Shouldn't you be folding my clothes and shining my shoes are you to busy rubbing your clit you massive dyke.
You literally don't deserve to live on the same planet as me you literal, sack of horse shit.
Go jack off to fucking ponies you fedora wearing weaboo faggot, go watch your shifty Chinese cartoons while your at it.

I wasn't talking about it in the sense you took it as. When I mentioned it, I was saying it like because not everyone in a society is equal (not relating to anything specific) communism can't work.

My god, not sure if bait or the worst edge I've seen in years.

This so much.
What "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" hides under the rug is the fact that you can't have an objective determination of what each can give and what each needs to take. And if you think you do you end up with gulags.

Capitalism is defined by freedom, pure capitalism is a free market, and free people.
You don't need to determine what each can give because each person will determine that by themselves, same with the needs.

In the end, the communism/capitalism discussion boils down to this theoretical question:

Should everyone be free or should everyone be well? I will always choose freedom.

Would it be easy for the government in power to control the ppl though? Every time there's been a communist country (I feel like I could be wrong) there has been totalitarianism coupled with communinism which gives comm a bad rep in countries like the US and U.K. And wouldn't the government not be equal to the ppl? (More powerful)
Just wondering what ppl here think

>You keep posting about how evil capitalism is from your Apple iPhone, Sup Forumsreh.
supposing Apple iPhone as an analogy, there's nothing wrong to criticise a system from the actual system (as there's no other actual way to do so)

neck yourself you massive flaming homosexual.
Go suck Bernies cock you sensative liberal faggot.
You probably don't have a father you fucking nigger, go collect welfare and foodstamps and get back to the kitchen you fucking sack of useless shit. Shouldn't you be folding my clothes and shining my shoes are you to busy rubbing your clit you massive dyke.
You literally don't deserve to live on the same planet as me you literal, sack of horse shit.
Go jack off to fucking ponies you fedora wearing weaboo faggot, go watch your shitty Chinese cartoons while your at it.

The pasta is strong with this one

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>as there's no other actual way to do so
So i guess we can't criticise fascism... retard.

Communism in its strictest ideological sense has never been attempted. Nobody knows if it works. Every "communist" government so far has been a front for a military dictatorship.

So that being said, would there be much of a difference between Socialism (or any other form of Communism and/or Marxism) and Anarcho-Socialism?

Yeah, it's because it's impossible to "attempt" communism without impossing it by force.

(Thank you, I made if myself back in 2013)
neck yourself you massive flaming homosexual.
Go suck Bernies cock you sensative liberal faggot.
You probably don't have a father you fucking nigger, go collect welfare and foodstamps and get back to the kitchen you fucking sack of useless shit. Shouldn't you be folding my clothes and shining my shoes are you to busy rubbing your clit you massive dyke.
You literally don't deserve to live on the same planet as me you literal, sack of horse shit.
Go jack off to fucking ponies you fedora wearing weaboo faggot, go watch your shitty Chinese cartoons while your at it.

I really hate people like you, you disgust me. You are literal scum of the earth, your no balls, low life fucking hobo who gobbles your father's cock on a daily basis when he gets home from work while your mother watches and your dog cums in your asshole. People like you deserve to burn with the kites and jews, you are worthless, just like them. You should consider suicide as no one cares about your princess faggot ass, you fucking queer, go suck a big floppy donkey dick you massive fucking cuck. You are a fucking dyke who protests along with your furry friends for gay rights while attending your furry convention you fucking nigger. You probably eat at KFC all day using your food stamps while you collect welfare from us white men. Fucking faggot, go complain about the wage gap some more you fucking cunt, you don't deserve shit you literal piece of human excrement. You deserve to die along with a the other races combined, fucking nigger.

Yeah, at least marxism isn't oxymoronic.

(you) almost got quads

explain

Well done user. We all love your work and hope to see more from you soon.

There will probably be some libertarian who will reply to you and give their view on your question. My advice? Never listen to a libertarian on anything.
But I digresss.
Yes, I personally do think we need a government to keep the country from slipping in to chaos. Just look at how the middle-eastern countries were in the 60s/70s/80s compared to now.
It went to shit because their governments got fucked by so called revoloutionaries.
We as a species cannot be trusted to not have a body of government. If there is nobody to guide the populus, the populus will guide itself in to total socioeconmic breakdown.
Moreover, the west has become so reliant on governments that we simply can't not have one.

At least in a large sense. People deciding to completely live on their own away from society seem to do okay, but large communities do need some kind of rules and people to help guide them, while at the same time being open to what the people want and taking their interests into account.

>UK left europe
>brexit wasn't about the European Union

I fucking hate those who call themselves libertarians. I'd call myself one if they hadn't absolutely shat all over the label with their anarchist retardedness. IMO a constitutional republic is as libertarian as it gets.

Can't call myself a liberal either because leftists shat all over that label with their neo-marxism.

"social liberal" or "classical liberal" kind of work but almost nobody knows what they fucking mean so it's useless in everyday conversation.

Marxism and Socialism are what come before Communism. Marxism is a method of achieving socialism. It's more of a set of theories than anything.

Socioeconomic policies and practices are what make the actual thing, correct? Whereas Marxism and Socialism (more or less) is just a set of philosophies.

Classic liberals actually knew what they were fighting for, so in that regard I respect them.
But I totally agree with you about how millenials have just given bad names for pretty much everything.
Personally I don't call myself anything because I feel like it limits you, but if I had to call myself something I normally say centre-right.
Then people assume I'm a fascist because the moment they hear right wing they just think fascism because they're ignorant. Now people also assume it means "alt-right".
I nearly hate the alt-right as much as I hate commies.

Gotta say, honestly didn't expect this to be that productive of a thread. Was mostly expecting people to insult each other nonstop instead of actually displaying legitimate information and philosophy. Good job Sup Forums.

Fuck of retarded nigger faggot.

I suppose you could say Marxism is somewhat a set of phillosophies, but at the same time it's not.
Karl Marx was very very very pro-left wing. The irony of his legacy his he had no career in politics at all and yet thought he knew what would work.
He believed that in order to attain a classless society, capitalism must first be eradicated. That's about as philosophical as he got. The rest are a bunch of theories that don't work.
Socialism is a political stance which is widely viewed as a less drastic version of communism. People who say that are partly right, well, they are right but it's what comes before communism. Socialism and Communism are based upon political methods as opposed to philosophies.

Good ol' fashioned Sup Forums. Love you user

thats more like it!

Personally, I feel like any kind of ism is bound to be a failure, but sharing a lot of anarchist (mostly social-anarchist) beliefs, I could see where people think that Socialism could be beneficial, but at the same time, a free-trade society could also work (in theory). In reality it seems like any major or famous socioeconomic policy is an altogether fuck up of someone trying to do something good. Communism has a good intent but it's simply not practical, same thing with Capitalism, good intent to open up everyone in the sense that people can do what they want, but way to vulnerable to a hierarchical establishment.

Human nature. Thats why Comunism/Socialism sounds great on paper but is not applicably in real life.