Was there a more abysmal period for music than the early 2000s?

Was there a more abysmal period for music than the early 2000s?

The late 2000s

Nu metal seriously wasn't even that bad.

Well you had this, post-grunge, and the commercial R&B traces from the 90s

no user, besides deftones it really was that bad.
all this shit sucked too.

The early 00s was like the post-rock renaissance

It was that bad. You only liked it because you were an edgy teen back then.

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My
Fucking
Dude

The Sickness was a fun album. Toxicity was a fun album. Fundamental Elements of Southtown was a fun album. If you were actually a teenager in the late 90s and early 2000s and aren't a jumped up little pretentious prick nutriding on Sup Forumscore (which was an oldfag inside joke, btw), it's easy to appreciate nu-metal in its time and place. But please, continue what you were saying. You're so much more sophisticated and cerebral than the dumbfucks in every single generation before you. DISCO SUCKS.

>Was there a more abysmal period for music than the early 2000s?
Right now.

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And then you grew up and realized how awful and cringe-inducing that music was.

Nu metal was mainly shit besides Deftonesand SOAD. But there were some great singles.

The millennium was a cool time to grow up. You had Girl Groups and Boy Bands, very sugary pop. On the other side was pop-punk and nu-metal, and then hardcore rap became mainstream. The top40 was a cool place back then compared to now. A LOT more variety.

So I'm guessing you never had that "aha" moment when listening to those albums and thinking, "wow, this music is actually pretty bad".
I definitely get nostalgia for certain records of the era, but it's still shitty music.

The mid-2000s

Because Green Day.

Yes.

>The millennium was a cool time to grow up. You had Girl Groups and Boy Bands, very sugary pop. On the other side was pop-punk and nu-metal, and then hardcore rap became mainstream

Old 80s veterans like Madonna and RHCP still plugging along and producing hits as well.

You're actually just in an equally immature phase of life where you think everything you used to like was shit before you "grew up" and got so wise and learned. It's like when a kid grows out of Saturday morning cartoons and then shames their younger siblings for watching them. When you get over your "OMG that was so embarrassing" phase, you'll look back and realize that hundreds of millions of people didn't spend 10-20 bucks a pop on those albums because they had no redeeming characteristics.

Yup. Also forgot post-grunge being really popular. Indie bands also started to get mainstream traction. I remember I listened to basically only top40 radio back then because well, I was a kid. And you'd hear N'Sync, Evanesence, Nickelback, Santana, The Strokes, and Eminem all on the same format.

You can say "but user all that is pure shit" well maybe it is, but the top40 has always been mostly shit, at least it used to have more genres covered. Go to billboard today and see what I mean.

Most SMC cartoons were legitimately awful shit though.

Is it possible that the only thing wrong with music in that era was that it was when heavy commercialisation inebriated the up and coming generations (Gen Y/Z, Millenials) and in doing so took a more hefty portions of the market, leading to supression of more alternative sounds and the shallow roots of what we would consider "the abysmal" pop culture we live with today..?

The 2000s were a pretty shit time to be a kid. It was all 911 and ringtones. And uninspired, flavourless rock

because we're in such a better age for music right? mumble rap, vaporwave, whatever type of metal suicide silence is considered... this will all be looked back on with the same contempt

it was hit and miss, but it definitely gets more flak than it deserves

OOO AH AH AH AH

And everything was in shades of beige and orange.

now

I never did figure out what was going on on that album cover.

Right now.

Underground music was still alive in the early 2000s. You can't say the same for the last 6-7 years.

well, i did have an "aha" moment and it made me realize "cringe" is socially constructed and doesn't mean "bad". different sorts of music are to be taken different shades of seriously, and deep down it's all just putting on a show, yfm?

The internet was a mistake

NEVER MADE IT AS A WISE MAN

The underground still exists, it's just oversaturated at this point. Which kind of means those talented musicians buried in there are more underground than before

It still exists, but is it going anywhere? Is it worth listening to? Will it hold up? With the likes of James Ferraro, Ariel Pink, Grimes, Dean Blunt, Angel Olson, Car Seat Headrest, etc at the forefront, my guess is no.

I don't think everything I used to like is shit, but nu metal (more so than not) is full of repetitive garbage and bad musical experiments, aside from deftones, soad and those early korn albums.
I'm not embarrassed for liking those bands, I just can look back and see how awful it truly was.

Also did I mention the horrible use of brickwalling in the late 90s-early 2000s?

Yeah the vast majority of nu metal was contrived bullshit of the highest order but if you don't know why Korn's first album is god tier you don't know a fucking thing about rock music

COULDN'T CUT AS A POOR MAN STEALIN'

>is it going anywhere?
idk i just think this neomania, this whole mentality that only novel artists and trends are worth caring about and that there better be a new musical revolution every 5 years, it just needs to die down a bit so people can actually enjoy music again
Incubus second album perfected AND predated SOAD's kinda sound, you forgot that

Early Korn was way back in the mid-90s. The period we're discussing here was after nu metal had become formulaic dreck.

all art's contrived on some level but yeah korn was something special

By the early 2000s, Korn were putting out shit like Take a Look in the Mirror that consisted of cliches.

I was unironically listening to Voices just a minute before I ran into this garbage thread.

Untouchables was the first album where that started happening.

Popular album but it was critically panned and the band themselves disowned it.

Agree. Korn was sooooo fucking different.

Music is awesome right now especially with rap songs having insanely sick distorted bass lines that make gabber seem tame

Korn sucks how can anyone think some WASPy little fuck whining is cool

why do people think how interesting a band is depends on how "cool" their lead singer is

Masterpiece

Deftones are like the Elliot Smith of sad music to nu metal

problem is you had a lot of people who were popular doing it but did the edgelord approach, which kind of degraded the genre, at least in my eyes.

desu probably because music is really superficial at first glance in our generation

What are you, 17?

Nu metal and post grunge were mostly bland, awful shit that just happened to fit with the zeitgeist back then.

hip hop and r&b were crazy good in the early 2000s. you faggot white boys chose to listen to pop punk and rap metal instead

Destiny's Child were kind of like the last fling of oldskool R&B, a genre that's dead now (modern R&B is just shitty rapping over synths).

jokes on you the first CD I ever bought was pic related

The mid 70s.

>a shit ton of derivative, boring blues rock
>anglo-prog on its deathbed
>thriftstorecore galore
>"in the style of" records/comps
>watered down post-hippie "psych"

Thank goodness punk came along and blessed the charts with a swathe of great new wave bands in the late 70s and early 80s.

Not to overlook all the good stuff that happened in the mid 70s, of course, but you get the picture.

No chance the mid 70s was worse than the mid 10s. Not even a fucking chance.

I really do have to agree with you. Like, it's the birth of both punk and post-punk but that's after, not during it's time period. There's a lot of good Brazilian and German music in the mid 70s but those are most of the absolute highlights and the mid 70s have nothing on the seminal years of 71 and 79.

1970s power ranking from best to worst year:

1971
1978
1976
1979
1970
1975
1973
1977
1972
1974

78 shouldn't be that high because disco.

At least it was saved by some GOAT cartoons

>he fell for the disco sucks meme

Genuinely curious, what are the best disco albums ever, or is it not an album type of genre?

underground disco was good, mainstream disco was shit.

same thing that happened with uk dubstep and american popular "dubstep"

*puts on nerd glasses* Punk rock was officially birthed in 1976 and that's mathematically mid 70s right? So, give the mid 70s a little credit.

We can all agree that 1971 was a glorious year for rock-and-roll with some of the most seminal rock records of all time appearing that year. '77 was the year of punk, but that aside, the mainstream rock scene was very weak and there are few memorable albums from that year.

1978 was a super-important year because that was when the 80s was effectively born with the rise of New Wave groups, Van Halen S/T, Overkill, and Stained Class.

1970 wasn't quite as good as 71 although certainly Black Sabbath and the Stooges were highlights of that year.

1972 and 74 were very weak years lacking in any memorable albums, with 73 being a little better. 1975 was still meh, although a bit better, and 76 was the strongest year in a while, a lot of good albums out then.

1979 didn't add a lot of new sounds, more a refinement of the developments that happened in 78.

Disco is the SHIT you moron
The Disco Sucks meme is straight racism

There was a certain album released in 79 that had Banana Album Level impact.

>1972 and 74 were very weak years lacking in any memorable albums

1974 had Kiss S/T and Get Your Wings

2000-2006 cartoons were indeed goat

But 2006-2009 cartoons were shit. SHIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.

I'VE GOT THE SPIRIT

Kiss is garbage, although ok, I guess Aerosmith are alright. Still, their magnum opus was their 1976 release.

>'77 was the year of punk, but that aside, the mainstream rock scene was very weak and there are few memorable albums from that year.

Remind me again of what albums were out in 1977?

Trans Europe Express
Before and After Science
Suicide s/t
Heart of the Congos
A fucking amazing album called Alien Soundtracks from Chrome

Can I have an example? That actually sounds cool.

Mostly bland buttrock albums like Love Gun and The Grand Illusion. Hardly anything good was out in 77 which can explain the sudden explosion of punk. I guess if you had to pick a decent mainstream rock album from that year, Animals might be your best bet. Hotel California came out in late 76, so it doesn't count as a 1977 album despite ruling the charts for almost two years straight.

Aerosmith were starting to go down the drain and Draw The Line was mostly shit. Judas Priest were still in diapers and Sin After Sin is a very spotty album that's not as good or substantial as the two surrounding it. The Rolling Stones and The Who didn't have any albums out this year. Rumours is gruesomely overrated.

Hotel California is bland buttrock too.

>Rumours is gruesomely overrated.
You had me till that.
Apologize.

Looks like we've entered another cartoon darkage ;_;

Nah, you can hate the Eagles but that album captured the zeitgeist of that era perfectly.

THE GIRLS COME EASY AND THE DRUGS COME CHEAP

>and 76 was the strongest year in a while, a lot of good albums out then

Rocks, Sad Wings of Destiny, Hotel California, Fly Like An Eagle, Destroyer, 2112, Ramones S/T. Not a bad crop of albums, although Desire was pretty weak coming after Dylan's artistic triumphs in 74-75.

Rush - 2112
Stevie Wonder - Songs Key of Life
Heart - Dreamboat Annie
Boston - s/t
Bowie - Station to Station

Let me guess.

You judge the 2000's from the perspective of kid/teen you, only focusing on the most played radio hits and things you'd generally listen to from that time period.

You judge today's music on all the underground and obscure shit you listen to now that you wouldn't even begin to think to look for in that period.

As has been pointed out, airplay-wise it was probably a much better time than now. The amount of variety in the top 40 compared to "Slow melancholy song about aging, etc." or "RNB song about clubbing etc." or "Light poprock song about that girl" repeated 13 times isn't exactly the pinnacle of music.

Even Metallica to an extent since that was the last time when they made a pretense of being a contemporary music act.

Oops you already had 2112

Heart and Boston are shit though.

Still a lot of buttrock like Styx and Kansas, but the good albums that year were enough to overshadow them which was not the case in 77.

>1978 was a super-important year because that was when the 80s was effectively born with the rise of New Wave groups, Van Halen S/T, Overkill, and Stained Class

Journey and REO Speedwagon also made their mainstream breakouts that year. Not that that's a good thing, but they were definitely important in shaping 80s music.

Marquee Moon?

Those albums go in the trash.

As for 1979, it's as I said--mostly the class of '78 refining their sound. Several groups who had mammoth hit albums in 77-78 (namely the Bee Gees, Eagles, and Fleetwood Mac) came out with disappointing followups, while Kiss and Aerosmith, the two mid-decade titans, continued their downward spiral. The first appearance of post-punk also happened in 79.

It's apparently an angry midget wrapped in a sweater.

>Good Charlotte
>Blink 182 finally being good
>Sum 41
>The Strokes
>Fiddy
>Slipknot
>The BEST marylin manson album
>SOAD stopped sounding like shit
>any of this is bad

wew lad

>90s band goes to shit as soon as the 90s are over
Duh?

When people say "early 2000s", do they mean the entire 00s decade(2000-2009) or do they just mean the early part(2000-2003) of the 00s decade?

I'm asking because people usually use "early 1900s" to refer to 1900-1909

Korn stopped being any good after Issues, but they remained hugely popular until about 2005 thanks to enough momentum and the music styles they'd spawned dominating the charts.

Marilyn Manson also lost it after Holy Wood, another 90s guy who couldn't survive the transition into the 2000s.