Communism is inevitable, and it will prevail

Communism is inevitable, and it will prevail.
When do you guys think it will rise again?

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probably some infinite amount of time in the future, because, technically, it won't rise again

Soon after the second big facism in Europe.
And thats near soon.

Why anyone idolizes an ideology that led to the largest slaughters of one's own countrymen in history is beyond me.

So, people idolizing Fascism?

Communism is not inevitable.

The contridctions inherent in capitalism make the decline of the capitalist system inevitable. The system with it's goal of expotenitally growing profits, growth for the sake of growth in a sense, makes it unsustainable as well.

The issue is what will replace liberal capitalism. It could be Communism, but it's not inevitably Communism.

I was talking about communism.

In America, the Left is growing at a decent rate now.

SRA has grown by ~1k people since the election
Many of the Socialist and Communist parties have grown considerable.

Many of the young democrats are seeing the DNC's corruption and are shifting towards more typical DemSoc ideologies at minimum. Some have become Marxist instead, others Anarchist.

The Worker's struggle won't go unrecognized,
I'd give it another 10-20 years.

More like America with Trump in office for 4,
possibly even 8 years. Fascism will appear
in Europe again though.

>slaughters of one's own countrymen

You're thinking of Stalin and his corruption, his
heart growing dark and ruining the revolution
that Lenin had set up. Also, there are also
examples of Communism throughout history
that weren't authoritarian, like the Spanish
Anarchists in 1936. Anarcho-Communism.
Also the fucking fascists throughout history
that have killed an equal amount of people, if
not worse.

I disagree, but I see what you mean.

And Mao. Why the fuck do all you commies act like fascism is the only alternative to communism?

So the 600k to 3Mil who died from Communism in the USSR during the Purges out weighs the 6-11 Million Jews, Slavs, Gypsies, Reds, and others who died at the hands of the Nazi Regime?

Communism never works it cant sustain itself, name one country where it worked

Lazy parasites waxing philosophical about workers.

Well, if you go historically prior to the term Communism being coined, the Iroquois were very close to it.

One form of socialism is better than another form socialism.

The fact that your rebuttal to criticisms of communism is a criticism of fascism when I'm not a fascist really proves that your ideology sucks.

They didn't live in a modern and developed society. They were all farmers, hunters and gatherers.

How is Fascism socialist?

It''s not. At all.

Fascism is appearing in Europe because of marxist ideas and the SJW parade, plus the shitload of "immigrants" raping the ethnic population of europe and lowering average IQ, school scores and exponentially increasing the crime rate.

Communists are almost as stupid as Ancaps, and I sincerely hope on your behalf that you're just baiting really hard.

as soon as this asshole takes office

Every generation seems to have a few idiots who still believe it will work. Sometimes they rise to the top like in Venezuela. They they destroy the country and it's back to square one.

I was responding to the fact that you are claiming the Communism killed the most in history. While in fact it is Fascism that killed more.
Also, I'm not communist anyway.

When the number of people outweighs the amount of jobs for them. Also around when automation replaces human capital.

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>>They didn't live in a modern and developed society. They were all farmers, hunters and gatherers.

Still a form of Communism.

And if you want more technologically advanced ones look at Rojava currently.

Granted these were all short lived before being crushed by other imperialist forces but:

The Paris Commune
The Free Ukrainian Territory
The various Communes in Spain during the civil war

>"I disagree, but I see what you mean."

Could I ask why you disagree?

This whole "Communism is inevitable" started because of a misinterpretation of Dialectical Materialism (Diamat). The whole point is not that Communism is inevitable, but that Capitalist decline is inevitable. The obviously solution is to create a Communist society in which are free and equal, but this isn't guaranteed. We could end up destroying our planet before that happens.

Unless the politicians who claim to represent
the People actually do their job instead of
focusing what is profitable to them and their
colleagues.

That's a big underestimate of those who were
killed, and had their lives ruined due to the
Nazi Regime. Not only were people killed, but
their families were destroyed, Germany was
left a mess and people are still affected by it
today.

Those that failed weren't because of
Communism itself, but countries like the U.S
who lead an economic war because they
politically disagree with the far left.

You're blind.

Fascism is incompatible with Socialism.
>inb4 Nazism
The term Nazi DOES mean National Socialism,
but that's in name only, their economics weren't
close to socialism and claiming to be the
champion of the working class like Hitler
claimed to be was propaganda to get the
workers on his side.

Mao Zedong and Stalin annihilating their own populations? "muh 6 million" isn't even close.

If you feel it, it is true.

Unless the politicians... profitable to their
colleagues, we can't trust things will change
without violent revolution. Sorry for not completing
the statement

The communist who says, "no, that was not real communism, which lead to millions of deaths, my communism is different!" is exactly the type of person you don't want to lead or follow. That type of person is a tyrant, motivated by niave good intentions which would end in blood.

How about some actual evidence?

>That's a big underestimate of those who were
killed, and had their lives ruined due to the
Nazi Regime. Not only were people killed, but
their families were destroyed, Germany was
left a mess and people are still affected by it
today.

About 100 million people has died from communism. Once again, "muh 6 million" ++ isn't even close.

This is overly simplistic and fails to grasp the material reasons for why the Russian and Chinese revolutions descended into authoritarianism.

Hint: you can't try to skip the capitalist phase of development.

Stalin didnt go "corrupt" read some fucking books that arent fucking propaganda.
Yes, some of the things done un the Urss were poorly done, but Stalin wasnt a devil. I dont feel like expanding more, but if you have a questions about him, I'll gladly answer if I can.

I find it hard to believe communism will take the same form it has had in the past. I mean are we aiming for reindustrializing europe again so the european workers can control the production of goods? While the climate is being obliterated? I mwan even this wave of fascism is more like a charade of fascism, there's no peoples movement behind the organizations like in the 30's.

>rise again
it wouldn't need to rise again if it was so fucking superior.

Mao and Stalin killed more people than Hitler.

Right and arguing for communism in the modern day while using a native american forest people as your example is ridiculous. Rojava is supported by western governments, it is not self sufficient. It has only been independent for a couple years.

You dumb fuck

Read this book and still be a communist. Grow the fuck up.

You're pulling these numbers out of your ass.
Where are you getting this 100 million number
from? I need a credible source.

This has been true for quite a while now. The only result has been more suffering for the working and unemployed poor

Sure, bud

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join the call?

Stalin didnt go "corrupt" read some fucking books that arent fucking propaganda.
Yes, some of the things done un the Urss were poorly done, but Stalin wasnt a devil. I dont feel like expanding more, but if you have a questions about him, I'll gladly answer if I can

The Democratic People's Republic of North
Korea calls itself a democracy. The name says
it is, therefore it must be! That means all
forms of democracy throughout history
are like North Korea.

certainly more people have been killed to protect capitalism than were killed to found communism

Mao zedong? Stalin? They massacred their own population.
lmgtfy.com/?q=death count of communism
Not going to spoonfeed you any more.

Something will kick off soon, I'm sure. People are getting fed up.

NO TRUE SCOTSMAN NO TRUE SCOTSMAN WORDS DONT NEED DEFINITIONS STALIN WAS A GENUINE COMMUNIST I SWEAR

I know this is Sup Forums so trying actually deeply analyze the material reasons for why X and Y happened is typically discouraged and a re-hashed cookie cutter explanation is encouraged, but for something complicated like this, you should probably actually think about why the bureaucracy of the USSR solidified like it did into a power bloc.

Instead of being a retarded edgy faggot who supports communism to be edgy and different, maybe learn about the benefits of capitalism, how it actually works, and how it providedes the most wealth to the most people. Capitalism may be imperfect, but communism is just just flawed as fuck.

reason.com/blog/2013/03/13/communism-killed-94m-in-20th-century

You fucking idiot do you even realise that communism is a stateless society?
Communist advocate for a society and without state and classes and to get there there is a transitional phase called the dictatorship of the proletariat where the low class gets the power from bourgeois hands. Fucking read some books you idiot.

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Communism provided a lot of wealth to the communist party, so basically it's just as good as capitalism

>"Capitalism may be imperfect, but communism is just just flawed as fuck."

Could you explain how actually?

Comments like these help me realize how retarded /b is. Jesus, pretty much everyone here is an autist.

Lol it never works you fuckhead. Nothing you say will change that.

Yeah. I mean how will any form of social peace last when jobs are quickly dissapearing in a society where you need a job to survive. I'm thinking states will respond with more militarisation of society or with programs like basic income. And a proletariat without a workers movement will turn to religious like death cults like jihadists or trump for salvation

then get out normie

Don't you have some baby's blood to drink

But we have historical examples of it working.

You need me to explain how communism is less efficient than capitalism at improving the lives of nearly everyone in a society? Really?

The worst part of Communism is that people are ignorant torwards it.
Sad they are mindless drone staring at their phones 24/7 being fed with Ads to feed their filthy consumer habits.

>benefits of capitalism
see

Fuck, you are trolling, almost had me, user.

Also several anarchist collectives too

Too bad mean ol capitalism doesn't allow any other game in town

Terminally ignorant crapitalists get out

Yes. When it was done in say the Paris Commune, it greatly benefit the people. Same with the Ukrainians and Spanish before they got raped and slaughtered by capitalist forces.

I feel you OP, Communism is the only answer to our fucked up Capitalism. Anarchy would be even greater, but that's nearly impossible to implement.

I don't think anyone believes capitalism improves the livehood for all anymore user

>ran out of Lenin wallpapers that is below 2 mb,
this will have to do.

>benefits of capitalism

that's fucking funny dude, at the same time sad
that you've bought into this preconceived notion
that communism is automatically bad because
a communist did a bad thing. Also, give
examples that aren't cherry picked.
Reason com isn't a credible source, they're
already biased towards capitalism.

Communism can't come back if the marxists are dead.

My friends, I need to ask you one thing.
Crippled people, Old people, Mentally sick people, that can't contribute to society. Will you leave them to rot? That's what I would do.
My country's population is 1/5 old people, that cant contribute and live off my taxes.
They don't even contribute except to be lazy fucks.

>marxists are dead

um... there are marxists out there today,
you realize this right?

I'm not trolling.

Here are some historical examples:

The Paris Commune
Free Territory of Ukraine
Various Communes found in Spain during the civil war

All of these worked except that porky got a little scared of them and had them crushed militarily. They functioned well (as well as you can during a state of war) and showed great promise.

Communism has never really been implemented anywhere.

Tiny groups for less than 20 years is not a functional system for running a society you child.

>society can't defend itself from invasion
>taking it seriously

You won't ever be old someday?

>Anarchy would be even greater, but that's nearly impossible to implement.

Well I think we should see anarchy as something we create every day, rather than some utopian endpoint. We should always try to make our relationships with each other as non-hierarchical as possible, and the scopes of freedom as wide as possible

Maybe The Actions on J20 could set it into motion

Communism will never work because Humanity is flawed. All communist governments have ultimately been dictatorships and the people under those governments suffered just the same as before.
>meet the new boss, same as the old boss

>Mao and Stalin killed more people than Hitler.
And the US and our Puppets have killed more than Mao and Stalin

Yes
But I would accept my fate for the advance of society.
Only those that actually saved up for their future are the smart.
Old people should do stuff by themselves.
Not live off the youth.

YEAH sure, please tell us how communism is more flawed than capitalism, you probably dont even know what communism is, judging by the fact you go with "communism killed 409999983828 quadrillion people" you dumb fuck. You actually believe an article with no fucking sources just because It pleases you.
By the way, if communism is bad because It lead to some people's death, then your beloved capitalism is horrible too.
If you want some examples, search information about the genocide in Indonesia or the War at Syria.

These are all such small groups that it's effectively meaningless. It doesn't work on the scale of a nation.

the ideas of Liberty and Justice will never ever die and capitalism can't control itself enough to ensure that it won't create the next crop of Marxists

Since when did the US massacre 85-100 million people all together?

Whataboutism again! Holy fuck when will you realize that if you have to point to some other bad guy to make your bad guy look better in comparison that you have nothing to offer?

How about go straight to No Boss instead of taking a New Boss who claims that he will dissolve his position in time

You know the Paris Commune was literally a single city against the rest of the French Empire and invading Prussians, right?

Like the fact it lasted three months is a fucking testament. Militarily it shouldn't have lasted 2 weeks.

The Free Ukrainian Territory lasted 3 years despite being invaded on two fronts by both other Ukrainian forces and by the Bolsheviks.

Well your the one claiming that the Communists killed the most. I'm just showing that's false

The point of syndicates and communes are that they are local... you will never find a "anarchy-state" or anarchyland, but probably instead locally governed communities that cooperate within a network

Since its 'founding.'

This is the same kind of argument that Americans make when they say America can't have socialized medicine but there are countries much larger than America that have functioning social medicine

I think you're just brainwashed by capitalism and are grasping at straws

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>capitalist forces

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I said they killed more than Hitler and I explicitly specified own countrymen.

>This is the same kind of argument that Americans make when they say America can't have socialized medicine but there are countries much larger than America that have functioning social medicine

Except for I'm actually right. You're naive as fuck and probably will grow out of this phase.

Capitalists sure do make a lot of appeals to force

It's almost like their voluntary system isn't quite as voluntary as they claim

Democracy is the future you communist.

Cuba is a living example of the dictatorship of the proletariat, I dont understand how nobody brought It up

I see a pattern here... almost all of the countries
that are socialist or have some type of socialism
involved with them are/have been targeted.

kekd

So these "examples" got crushed by societies that were richer and more prosperous because they were capitalistic?

What, a great argument for communism! /s