Why did this get so much hate?

Why did this get so much hate?

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Plebs couldn't understand the puré Kinôgraphié of Zack Snyder.

Man of steel is pure perfection

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Because it's bad. Even that poster sucks a whole ass. It's amazing what passes for a movie poster now.

It wasn't that good

People don't get it.

no quips

I liked BvS a lot but MoS is an irredeemable piece of fuck.

I forgive for you know not what you posted. In time, you will join us in the sun.

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The quip fueled marvel mind can't understand the symbolism

Ebin

too smart of Disney fans.

same problem every Zack Snyder film has.

Shills

The MoS and BvS is good is the best meme this board ever created, I don't even know when they're being serious or just trolling anymore.

not a meme it's the truth.

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Because it's absolutely shitty adaptation. It's much better than some shit like Thor2, IM2-3 etc and pretty decent capeshit. But all Kents were portrayed so awful it still hurts.

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as someone responsible for pasta, i can't either

because of the muh destruction and muh kents are wrong (they're not, no matter how hard their words get twisted around)
which is funny, because neither of those things make a movie bad

It's just the tornado sequence that memsters like to harp on.

It's not terrible but it's oddly paced and a bit glum.

6/10.

I genuinely love them. But people get so butthurt about these films for some reason, so it's fun to watch them react to Snyder-cult-like posts in anger. Win-win situation.
Plus, the meme version of Snyder love helps a good movie to spread.

>literally plot holes: the movie

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people were expecting it to be a Marvel-tier, hollow, production-line quipfest
But Snyder surprised everyone by dropping pure, refined Kino onto our plates

It's funny how people mentonied quips, but MoS and BvS also had quips and jokes in dialoges. It were just so bad and awkward that nobody remembers them. Don't even try to defend Goyer's script, plebs.

memes

Like what?

It's a terrible movie.

The plot is pointless and full of holes, the characters are dour and depressed all the time, the story makes exactly the same mistake literally every bad Superman story makes (making him an allegory for Jesus), the symbolism is hamfisted, the subtext doesn't exist, and Superman doesn't actually have a character.

It's a bad movie. That's literally all there is to it.

all superman movies had that parallelism to different ends

all
of
them
(except maybe three and four)

>full of holes

Such as?

> the characters are dour and depressed all the time
That's not true.

>making him an allegory for Jesus

That's what he is, the thematic core of Superman has always, always been the balance of godlike power and human fallibility

>the symbolism is hamfisted, the subtext doesn't exist

This is a tautology.

>Superman doesn't actually have a character.

I don't know how to argue this one, you seem to not have watched the film at all.

Debatable.
And even if it's there in 1 and 2, it's not HAMMERED INTO YOUR SKULL WITH THE FORCE OF A THOUSAND SUNS like it is in Man of Steel.

>plot holes big enough to fly a fleet of space dildos through

>Why did this get so much hate?

Because apart from some of the actors doing the best they can with the shitty materiel they had, the movie is pure shite.

It starts off by trying to make Jor-El into some fucking action hero riding a dragon (!) on Krypton, and it continued in that same contrived way throughout the entire film, which of course includes the hilarious scene with Kevin Costner as Superman's dad telling him to let him die just to make a totally pathetic point...

Only part of the movie I enjoyed somewhat was the fight in Smallville (at least I think it was), the drawn out and totally tiresome fight against Zod at the end had me tune out completely, oh, I have an idea, let's crash through a building, and again, and again...

The story was something out of a ten minute fan-fiction contest with it's insanely forced plot devices.

Oh, and that fucking blue-green tint on every scene.... wtf...

its not 'hammered' in man of steel, the only reason people even bring it up is because of a few visual cues. if not for those, no one would have noticed because the vast majority of people simply don't know about those kinds of things, which is fine

its fascinating to me that people complain about jesus behind clark when he's at a church looking for guidance but don't complain about the cross behind the priest
all of these complains are completely overblown

Does literally anyone except hate The Dark Knight Returns?

Of course, except for the edgy babbycore faggots

This. I don't think Sup Forums itself knows when it's being serious.

>insanely forced plot devices.

Can you provide some examples?

>contrived

Why did you use that word? What do you think that word means in this context?

>Such as?
Admittedly, it has been a while since I've seen the movie, but a few come to mind

>Why did it only take Zod and his army a few minutes to master the same powers it took Superman an entire lifetime to figure out?
>Why did the girl Kryptonian want Lois Lane on the ship?
>Why couldn't the Kryptonians terraform LITERALLY ANY OTHER PLANET?

>That's what he is, the thematic core of Superman has always, always been the balance of godlike power and human fallibility
That's not Jesus, though. You're thinking of Moses. Which is what all good Superman stories try to draw parallels to. Superman isn't Space Jesus, he's Space Moses. Similar, but the delineation between the two is crucial.

>its not 'hammered' in man of steel,

Come the FUCK on

The worst thing here that Henry CAN act and be perfect Superman, but Hack and Goyer didn't let him. What a waste of talent and charisma.

Because older folks wanted Reeves Superman era of feel good Americana culture. Instead they got a good action flick, with shitty religious symbolism and amazing destruction porn that gave them 911 ptsd. Compared to the genre, MoS is good warts an all.

>Why did it only take Zod and his army a few minutes to master the same powers it took Superman an entire lifetime to figure out?

They were highly trained soldiers and had a functional Kryptonian scientific base to help them along. Clark had squat.

>Why did the girl Kryptonian want Lois Lane on the ship?
Because she was the only potential leverage against Clark. They knew about the article, they knew there was something between her and Clark.

>Why couldn't the Kryptonians terraform LITERALLY ANY OTHER PLANET?

Firstly they needed the Index of Kryptonian genetic data. Secondly the attempts by the Kryptonians to terraform barren planets had turned out to be unsustainable without the assistance of Krypton.

>the delineation between the two is crucial.

Can you explain the nature of this dichotomy, and what missteps MoS made such that it referred to the wrong flawed human being granted the power of God and tasked with leading people to salvation?

>You should have left those children drown to death son

Sup Forums is 60% women now

This is a meme. The truth is Jonathon didn't know how to raise a superpowered ch8ild. That's why he said 'Maybe'. He doesn't have a clue, because he's a human being, capable of ignorance or mistakes.

Or, maybe, he is just an asshole.

Reminder that MoS is absolute capekinography.
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No, it's the other thing. It's central to the plot.

Most people misinterpret that scene.

>referred to the wrong flawed human being granted the power of God

That's the difference, right there. Jesus wasn't flawed. That was kind of his whole shtick.
Jesus was born into greatness and remained perfect through temptation. Only once, EVER, did he question his own morals, and by then it didn't really matter anyway.
Moses was born under unusual circumstances, but he had greatness thrust upon him in a way that allowed him to still occasionally succumb to mortal fallibility, which he did do many times. In fact, he wasn't even allowed inside Israel, the land he lead his people to for 40 years, because he was too imperfect.

Basically, Jesus never walked away.
Moses could have walked away, and did a few times, but always returned to fulfill his duty.

It's human fallibility in the face of great power that makes Superman a compelling character, and fallibility is the one quality Jesus never had.

not that these are holes because some of these are explained in the movie

zod and his army didn't master the powers, even as a kid superman displayed both powers and the ability to use them, we even get the scene where zod is confronted with the earth atmosphere and he had the same experience young clark did

the only thing faura and namek display is being superstrong, none of them displayed a mastery of the full kryptonian power as zod did later with the "i was bred to be a warrior/ i've spent my life honing my senses"

lois lane had been the one who leaked the story about superman and the kryptonians wanted to see what she knew, she explicitly tells clark that they went into her head in the same way zod did with clark to see what she knew

i don't remember but the line was something about how they needed a foundation and earth fit the bill. to them humans were completely inferior so they didn't care

jesus is moses. literally the same core story with a few updates. in fact, the new testament directly compares jesus to moses for legitimacy and contrasts him to make the point of divinity
i mean, moses is literally messianic, he delivers the israelites, and so to was the future messiah supposed to deliver them as well

Anyone with a brain in their head would have praised Clark for saving a bus full of drowning children whether he has superpowers or not. A dozen families still have their children because of what Clark did. That is the most important thing and if you don't agree you're a pile of garbage.

"People hate what they don't understand."

>Jesus wasn't flawed. That was kind of his whole shtick.

That's completely untrue. He gave into wrath with the moneylenders in the temple. He gave into fear in the garden of Gethsemane. He expressed pride more times than you can count. His whole schtick is being the human element of the trinity, with all the fallibility that entails.

again, why aren't you complaining about the cross behind the priest? what is it about that specific still in a two hour movie that triggers you so much?

which again, every complaint about character moments in the movie is always in the middle of a scene while completely ignoring the conclusion of these scenes.

>Anyone with a brain in their head would have praised Clark for saving a bus full of drowning children whether he has superpowers or not.


>Everyone obviously thinks what I think! If a character seems to not think like I think, it must be bad writing!

Go back to your feature-length live-action cartoons.

>she explicitly tells clark that they went into her head in the same way zod did with clark to see what she knew

Why would they even care?
And Superman was completely helpless on board their ship anyway, AND they didn't need him alive to get what they wanted from him, so "leverage" is a pretty flimsy excuse too

Do you know that Johnathan and Martha Kent is representation of kindness selflessness and humanity? Why the hell Johnathan is egotistical asshole?

So saving drowning children is a bad thing? Ok. Good luck getting a decent human being to agree with you on that.

Theological philosophers have debated for literally millenia over whether the bit with the money lenders in the temple count as succumbing to anything, because they were breaking sacred law by being there in the first place.
The only time Jesus ever showed true, undeniable weakness was in Gethsemane, and he still went through with everything. "Remove this cup from me *if it would be thy will*". Walking away never occurred to him.

>Do you know that Johnathan and Martha Kent is representation of kindness selflessness and humanity?

Not in this movie. In this movie they're uhman beings.

>So saving drowning children is a bad thing?
No, but any parent would be hesitant to tell their kid that it's a good thing to put their life at risk for others. It's part of the protective instinct.

really don't know, it's my favorite cape shit since Nolans batman and Iron Man 1. It's much better than BvS even

Different guy but if your kid (not biological) has superpowers, saving folks brings in the govt whom will starting asking questions and eventually take your child away. Kent was simply looking out for his own. Sidenote: they should have had him(kentSr.) say son I will do anything to protect you.

>No, but any parent would be hesitant to tell their kid that it's a good thing to put their life at risk for others. It's part of the protective instinct.

You had really shitty parents growing up.
Know that.

Yeah, lets make two good people who teach their superson to save and inspire people no matter what and make them self-doubt egoistical jerks who don't know capabilties of their son for years.

Bullshit, Jesus flipped his fucking shit in the temple by all accounts, it was definitely a moral slip.

And if anything your second point emphasizes a reference to Jesus over Moses because the second most significant element of Supermans' thematic makeup is his reliance on father figures. First Jonathan, then the hologram of Jor-El, Clark, until he becomes a fully fledged superhero, is pretty much always just doing what he's told. Not just in MoS, in every incarnation.

>Why the hell Johnathan is egotistical asshole
in man of steel? when?
you mean the moment he tells clark that he will change the world when he grows up?
you mean when he tells clark that its not just their lives and the lives of their community at stake but the whole world *will* change because of him?

because every decision around clark is not even about his own life or the life of his family but the whole world.

>put their life at risk

SUPERMAN

BECAUSE "NEW COMICS FANS" OR MORE LIKE, "TV SHOWS FANS" WANTED TO WATCH A MOVIE MORE LIKE SMALLVILLE... THATS WHY NEW FAGS ALSO HATED SYDER'S LUTHOR.

Let them drown, Clark. Fuck these kids. You can accidently show yourself to the world which isn't ready. Hide for years and don't help anyone except random strangers on your way.

why wouldn't they? fuck, they directly say what they wanted in the movie. i don't how this is a legitimate complaint

yeah he was helpless, so what? they wanted information on where to find the codex, and only later find out that they don't need him alive

you're applying future knowledge to a moment past, which is complete bullshit given you're trying to prove how fucked up the movie is

The underlying psychology of snyder's pa kent is, "because I am weak, therefore you must be as well. Let people die. Let kids drown. Let me die. If you don't, you'll just cause worse problems down the line. You're a good son."

You're not disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with the entire school of evolutionary biology

>let's take the ABSOLUTE COINCIDENCE that a superpowered alien JUST HAPPENS to travel across the infinite depths of the cosmos and land in the field of a childless couple who JUST SO TURN OUT to be the greatest parents on the planet, absolute paragons of truth and virtue and the 100% optimal people to raise a super powered son

>and instead make them some realistic human characters

I don't know what your problem is mate

I'm going to tell you exactly what John Kent should have said to Clark about the situation.

"I know I've told you many times not to reveal your powers to anyone, but you did the right thing saving those other children. You're a hero now, and even though you disobeyed me you made the right decision."

The movie is all fucked up but if he said something in the vein of that it would have improved the scene greatly.

shut the fuck up, you're giving people fucking fuel, that was never the point of any of the scenes in question

>every kryptonian born on this planet will be a literal god
>TERRAFORM THIS PLANET IMMEDIATELY

>Bullshit, Jesus flipped his fucking shit in the temple by all accounts
The debate there lies in whether or not he was justified in doing so. Sticking to your morals doesn't mean you have to be passive all the time.

And calling back to figures was a big Moses thing too. King Ramses, then his mother, then God himself

You must be surrounded by shitty people, user, if you think, that asshole parents are "realistic", while best parents in the world don't

Capeshit will never surpass this scene

Jonathan doesn't have a fucking clue what's going on. He doesn't know if Clark is invincible. He might be vulnerable to fire, he might be vulnerable to electricity, he might be vulnerable to some sort of magical green space rock. A parent will always fear the worst for their child.

These are all correct.

Agreed but I can empathize with the original decision. Also not sure if you guys knew this but they rushed the film something due to losing rights if a film was not made.

literally everyone and me included would have liked the film if it was even remotely decent. The trailer has an amazing feeling to it even though you can already get a bad taste of blurry blue filter. The final movie itself is an irredeemable piece of shit, I don't care about superman killing people, I don't care about kent being a morron, I don't care about lois, I don't care about plotholes, it's just a boring piece of trash, cgi filled to the brim as if an hour long sequence of building destruction simulations would make up for a movie

not at all, not at all

and fuck you for being the kind of person that twists shit around to fit your agenda
that's not what jonathan kent said at all
even if you ignore the rest of the scene, the word MAYBE is in no way equivalent to YES LET THEM DROWN

a guy looking down and uncomfortably saying "m-maybe" is in no way the same to a guy shrugging his fucking shoulders and saying "yeah, fuck it, who gives a shit"

especially considering that right after that he explains how his existence affects everyone, which gets to the
ACTUAL POINT OF THE SCENE
when clark demands answers to why he is the way he is

>hey dad, I pushed a school bus full of kids out of a lake and saved them all

>HOLY SHIT YOU RISKED YOUR LIFE NEVER DO THAT AGAIN

I mean, I get that a writer can't write a character more intelligent than he/she is, but all of snyder's characters have been complete retards.

why? seriously, why?
so we can have a character moralize and make you comfortable for it?


there's nothing fucking wrong with the scene as it is, yet somehow the guy committed an unforgivable sin for expressing his discomfort with the situation he was in
especially considering that clark didn't even know he was an alien yet

the scene is pa kent SCOLDING HIS INVULNERABLE SON for exerting effort to SAVE DROWNING KIDS.

It doesn't matter what he actually says in the scene.

Yeah, he should have said something like that. But he didn't feel that way. He was wrong not to feel that way. But being wrong doesn't make his character badly written.

It absolutely was the point. What was the point, then, cuz?

I guess we've reached an impasse, then. If milennia of theological debate hasn't concluded one way or the other whether evicting the moneylenders was giving way to rtage, and whether or not that was sinful, then we're certainly not going to do so here on a Bangladeshi tapestry-weaving forum.

The best parents in the world literally are not realistic. Expecting people who've never raised a child to do a perfect job of raising a child is unrealistic. My parents are great, but they're not perfect. But even so, I'm not talking about my parents. I'm talking about parents in general. If you put a parent in a Saw-like situation, press button A your kid dies, press button B half a dozen stranger kids die, they'll push button A every single time.

he wasn't fucking scolding the kid

watch the fucking scene
first, he ditches the situation with the mother and the kid because he sees the state clark is in
when he gets there he starts talking then immediately tones himself down and tells clark that he has to keep this a secret (completely true to comics btw)
after which we see clark struggling with the idea of how to act to which takes us to maybe,
after which we see him soften his voice, move closer to clark, and explain the situation
we see clark getting more restless until it gets to the point where clark questions why god made him that way, where we see jonathan realize that he has to tell clark the truth, then cut to the barn
no kid who gets fucking scolded by an authority figure gets to actually have a back and forth with that authority figure

Well, comic version of Pa Kent were smart enough to learn about his alien son capabilies. Also, sefleness.
Fuck dozens of kids, Clark, you PROBABLY could hurt yourself a bit.

Johnathen Kent is supposed to be a good father that instills morality in Clark. He's supposed to tell him that saving people in danger is the right thing to do. Instead we got a man who can't even tell him that saving drowning children was a good thing to do and that he shouldn't be ashamed of that.

the point of the fucking scene is that clark is distressed at entering more and more into the implications of his existence, which leads to the inevitable moment of truth at which jonathan tells him he's an alien, and tells him that he has to spend the rest of his life looking for his purpose in life


this is basic scene reading 101: the last moments of a scene are the conclusion everything prior are moving towards

Heres the point you're missing though. Snyder feels clark is a weakness/flaw in superman. That superman's attempts to be human are to his detriment. So he built ma and pa kent around making clark the weakest person possible so he could "die" and superman could just be superman all the time.

The problem with all of this (apart from it being the type of shit eight year olds think is cool) is superman without any humanity or humility is just a figure that would crown himself god-king of the earth.

>Well, comic version of Pa Kent were smart enough to learn about his alien son capabilies.

This is not a comic. This is a film. It's a whole different thing, user.

>Fuck dozens of kids, Clark, you PROBABLY could hurt yourself a bit.

It's not about immediate harm. It's about attracting attention. And he's right, the story of him saving the kids was a crucial step in Lois' process of tracking him down.

>The movies will never be as good as those badass posters suggest

I was so hyped for MoS before it came out. I thought we'd finally get a good Superman movie that went more into depth about how he just wants to be a normal dude but is thrust into being Earth's hero because of how Jesus-like he is.

Then when I saw how shitty and how much of a mess it was I was just angry. I'm still disappointed that those movies failed. Sigh, ah well.

Son, I understand that actual subtext and overtones are beyond you, so can we just stop?