Atheists specifically, and Non-Muslims in general, i have a genuine question for you

Atheists specifically, and Non-Muslims in general, i have a genuine question for you.
What will it take to make you believe that the creator of this world has revealed to Mohammad the truth about this life, the world, the universe, the truth of everything?

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if muslims keep killing people for long enough without getting nuked, that'll be proof enough for me that allah is watching over them

Can I see a picture of the guy. That would be some good evidence. Even if its drawn.

proof

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the bait was high enough quality to get you to reply

Since the war started in Syria, approximately 470,000 have died.

Of those, many are muslims and many are christians.

Also, check this out.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims_in_Myanmar

>The Rohingya Muslim are amongst the most persecuted minority group in the world. According to Amnesty International, the Rohingya Muslim people have continued to suffer from human rights violations under the Burmese junta since 1978, and many have fled to neighbouring Bangladesh as a result.
Muslims are definitely not killing as much as you think, way way less.

Americans are killing themselves at a much faster rate. for example.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Islam will prevail as the final testament of God until the end of times. Currently, it is the fastest growing religion, with double the rate of christianity's.

pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/

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Great question. I think the only way would be if you indoctrinated me from birth.

Many religions chose the idolatry path of practising their religion.


Idolatry is defined as choosing partners or associates with god, mostly influenced by paganism practices were they shaped clay and stones into their own personal Gods as they pleased.
Islam strongly forbids any form of depiction of Allah, he is the most gracious entity of existence, our minds stop at the thought that he exists eternally and everlastingly.


Anything that occurs in your mind, is definitely not God. He cannot be imagined. Heck, if i ask you to imagine a colour outside of the visible spectrum, can you? Then how about envisaging the image of the one who knows the trajectory and location of every atom in the entire universe?

So you're saying you have to make yourself retarded to believe in this dumb shit. That you don't think people are able to see Muhammed. I think I'll pass. Bacon is delicious btw.

That is not Mohammad the messenger.

That is clearly a work of art which has been fetched by a person like me and you who thought he could draw a man with some arbitrary given characteristics and say that he is Mohammad.


That is not very far from drawing a stick figure and putting a name on it.


Islam encourages us to be reasonable, how could we draw a picture of Mohammad if we have not seen him?

Even if we have seen him, the picture is only a work of an imperfect instrument which is the hand using imperfect utilities such as paint and brushes, how far can you use these to determine the facial features of someone who lived 1400 years back?

Be. Reasonable.

Maybe when it the religion becomes less of a load of horseshit and controlling than others.

>" Have faith that your father will make it", the wife told her husband. " He will be fine ".


You hear a phrase like that, why should the father have faith?


>The doctor said this operation 25% chance of success.


Can the husband have 25% faith and 75% percent non-faith that his dad will not die due to that disease?


Faith and belief are both a matter of trusting the unknown to be in your favour. I trust the promise that God have told me.


I undoubtedly trust Him, that if i was patient, that if I practiced kindness and excellence of behaviour towards myself and others around me, that if i don't transgress or oppress others or steal or murder, that he shall grant me eternal peace after i pass away.

so you're gullible.

Every government practices a level of control over its people.


This control is branded and coded with positive lines. Speed limits are there to deter people from speeding and causing fatal accidents.

Punishments are there to deter people from stealing or being corrupt.

Here's the question, is everyone 100% abiding to these rules? Including the workers and employees and members of the wealthy portion of the country and the royals of said governments?

You cannot guarantee that.

You also cannot guarantee the fact that there isn't a single government who has at least one flaw or one inhumane act that is still ongoing either small scale or large scale.


The same goes for almost all modern Islamic countries. Control is being practiced and some of that control is unlawful and backed by the agenda of the leaders while hiding it under the cloaks of the religion to further strengthen their "right" of making such judgement. Especially when the population itself does not have a complete comprehensive idea of the actual rulings imposed by Islam itself.


Here you are selectively judging and criticising the actions of individuals like me and you, and based upon that you are creating a bias against the religion which these people follow due to a level of hypocrisy between actions and beliefs. You are totally right.


However, that doesn't strip the religion from it's right to be defended by those who seek no personal agenda or other forms of gratifications.

Islam becoming the only religion in the world 800 years ago.

I mean really, if Allah was real, why would other religions exist?

nothing, don't waste your time trying to convince us, mohammed went to heaven in a fly like horse, unless he and his followers were fucking high, it wouldn't be possible. then, muslims are related to jewish and christians, so it's basic math jewish=christians=muslims=bullshit

When pigs fly and not fry

>the truth about this life, the world, the universe, the truth of everything?

Ask Douglas Adams, he knows what's up.

Why do you post aya of quran on this board knowing it is filled with pornographic pictures? No real muslim would do this, OP is an imposter

I'm no atheist, but I see merit in Islam when I look at it for what it is. I would need some sort of an overt action on behalf of God. Something that can only make sense if God exists. That hasn't happened to me yet, so I cannot truly believe.

>gullible


Everyone chooses their way of life freely. I choose to accept that there has to be a supreme entity whom created the universe out of nothing.

I can understand and read the Qur'an, and i have not found the level of peace and self content anywhere else. Why do you blame me for believing in God? Why do you blame me for trying to live happily the way i chose until the day i die?

Judgemental attitudes are the fundamental cause of any radical behaviours. We don't judge, user, we don't

for them to come and prove it to me

What more signs do you seek? Do you expect a table to speak to you? Do you expect your tv screen to suddenly broadcast something only for you as a sign?

It is all pixels, 0's and 1's....

It was an entertaining book I admit.


However, my response to him in a serious manner, 42 is the answer he choose to make up for the storyline of his book, and it has no correlation with the true answer of that question which relates to us humans in this universe.

I'd want the world to look like the product of a competent creator. Instead we have a world where you have to sweep most of it under the rug to prop up a belief in a Zoroastrian-style God.

I will let this verse answer you.

Look up the water cycle and how it is involved with plantation across the planet then look up the origin of Oxygen in the universe.


How is this not competent?

I think the question is, "where does the story end?" In Mostly Harmless, 42 is the street address of the nightclub where they congregate when the Earth gets blown up again. And the Earth was blown up in the first place because of the belief that understanding the universe would make it spontaneously rearrange itself into an even more confusing form, and the guys who hired the Vogons thought knowing the question and answer simultaneously would cause that.
The real reason I believe this is because it's the kind of joke Douglas Adams would make: reaching the question, which is the end of the series, causes the universe to change from his dysfunctional fictional world, to the far more dysfunctional real world.

Atheist who grew up Muslim here.

I refuse to believe in an "omnipotent creator" who requires mortal validations such as worship, respect and belief.

Nah. Belief is. And ideology. That's why terrorists are almost exclusively muslim these days.

evidence

Assuming you are not a jiffy shill
Or a liberal faggot working for some paid psyops internet organisation, then my answer would be because the only true or close to true humble folk in your religion are the alawis

Who you demonize and attack
You are the bad guys (all other Muslims) and you don't even know it

You deserve the napalm and the fury of the world that is coming to you

Because you are stone headed useless bags of plasma with your stone age belief and idiotic system

Your fucking interpretation of faith is poisoned by the west more than 600 years ago

You are worshipping propaganda that old byzantinians installed in your lands

You are an idiot
A fucking idiot and you don't even understand it

The origin of oxygen? It's just the canonical second-to-last element from energy-producing fusion (the last being iron). But anyway, you're just proving my point: there's some things about the world that work out, and as long as you don't talk about all the things that don't, it looks like there's an artist's touch.
The thing you don't appreciate is that you're the one bringing to the table all this "oh boy look at all this teleology." It's not like the universe cares whether there's supernovas or some planets with just the right temperature range to allow water in three phases, and if life is gonna happen then it'll happen where things line up in such a way that it's possible---it's circular to get really precious about that. My stance is, if there were a competent creator, the world would be less horrible in the ways that really matter.

The war in Syria is because pieces of shit Sunnis like you can't stand living under a secular open minded alawi regime

This is why you sold your self to the western ideology

You deserve death, you and every member of your cancerous family

You fucking imbecile pile of insect shit, Mohammad broke all the idols except that of "allaht" which he kept until his death

Abu bake then broke it

You are idol worshippers, you fucking kneel to a stone cube

May it be as it will, but there is also no correlation between that muslim Falaffel-god and humanity. Or any other god for that matter.

Only he did sha'a rabbuka later to push Mohammed into war of converting

Get the fuck out with your pseudo humble peaceful posts you fucking Zionist troll

Fuck your mother, you reading this making quran posts... Fuck your mother to death with a rusty knife

You are a brainwashed Zionist drone
I hope the alawis rain fire on you and all your kind

As soon as you stop raping little boys, faggot. (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi)

Found the Jew agent today.
Here Jew Jew Jew Jew, here Jew

Because you can't have a voice of your own so you just post a section of your blood book

evidence

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Um, you know the Taliban executed people for this practice under Sharia Law, right?

Do you even read your own wiki links?

>During the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (Taliban's rule) (1994-2001), bacha bazi officially carried the death penalty.[11][12] The practice of dancing boys is illegal under Afghan law, being "against both sharia law and the civil code",[13] but the laws are seldom enforced against powerful offenders and police have reportedly been complicit in related crimes.[14][15]

i know the argument you are using, and it is a poor argument because it can be used on any side of any debate.

"what would it take to convince you that god exists" is as pointed a question as "what would it take to convince you that god DOESN'T exist"

that's why the burden of proof is on the person making the statement. all statements are to some degree subjective.

tl;dr you will have to prove it to me mathematically. and no i dont mean some numerology bullshit. show me where god is in the realm of physics.

how do you know mohammad was not lying?

Nothing. Here's a very simple logic puzzle for you, that will show you why any Divine entity is impossible:

Suppose, one day, you meet God (or Allah, if you like); and he says to you "ask me anything you wish." So you ask him "are you truly all knowing? Is there no thing you do not know?" God (or Allah), naturally replies "There is no thing I do not know."

Then you ask "And is there no thing you can not do?" To which they reply "I am all-powerful, there is no thing I cannot do."

Then, you finally and humbly ask: "Oh, God (or Allah), could you create a stone so heavy that even you may not lift it?"

Think on that.

> implying that every sandnigger follows the same laws
Ain't that the main reason you bomb your own sandapes? Cause you disagree on what laws and religious practices should be in place? Also,
> implying sandniggers don't break the law
Shit bait is shit. 3/10 for being better than those nig lives matter threads popping up after those apes tortured that retard.

Every time I read a question like this, I wonder whether muslims are evil or retareded.

I hope that you never get to hear these words thrown against you.

And you should provide a source, btw.

Sunni's believe that overthrowing a ruler is forbidden even when he is unjust.

it is called "Khorooj 'An Al-Hakim". Literally: Going out against the ruler.

It is forbidden in almost all cases to prevent the harm and dire consequences that follow up (Political Instability, different groups claiming rulership over other groups, etc). We are asked to withstand the unjust ruler and be patient until he passes away or another line of more stable circumstances take him out such as him stepping down.

See: islamqa.info/en/9911

In the case where the unjust ruler is being strictly oppressive towards Muslims where they are provoked and transgressed against, Islam states that all other Muslims should act as one hand and assist those in need in times of oppression.


These two rulings have ignored in the case of Syria, no wonder why the situation has marched to the current events.

I Like Russell's paradox, and i think to a good extent it expresses what you're looking for mathematically if you are openminded.

thats retarded. if everyone was muslim things would be horrible

>Russell's paradox
no, not really anything to do with what i am talking about. i am literally just asking for physical evidence of god. anything that can qualify his existence as anything but supernatural.

fuck of sandnigger, your imaginary god is the culmination of all that is evil in the hearts of men, a bloodthirsty desert war god conjured up by a genocidal warlord who plagiarized most of it from the charlatans who came before him. I will never prostrate myself before such a vicious and terrible god as the one your slavish people worships.

Don't give atheists a bad name with drivel like this. Misusing words to create a logical impossibility isn't evidence against god.

underrated post

It's not misusing words. It's specifically using simple logic structures to show that ALL systems must have limitations, and that "limitless creators" are impossible.

infinity exists in math, and we don't know that it doesn't exist in the universe.

i guess the answer is that he cant create a mass that he cant lift because he can lift anything

it's a parlor trick. It attempts to refute omnipotence by supposing that a formal logical impossibility could exist in reality. transform the paradox to the following: "can you create a dog that is a cat?" And you see why it is a cheap trick and not a paradox.

Mohammad was a caravan trader until he was 40.

He has never sat down to a teacher, he does not know the arabic alphabet, and he cannot write or read.

He never was known for being a poet. Arabs have a massive unimaginable amount of poetic history dating many many years before Mohammad's life.


He was known to be an honest and sincere man, trusted by all of the Meccans on their belongings.


From the age of 40 until the age of 63, he suddenly starts reciting this unique Qur'an, revelation after revelation.

He memorised all of it and never forgot a single letter, and it is recited in 7 different tongues to accomodate for the variety of accents the arabs had, and he had not mixed any of the tongues together.

The chronological order of revelation is not the final order of allocation for the chapters and verses, however it has been mostly decided as revelation as well; the way and order of all chapters.

When he died. Every single verse had already been written to various pieces of leather and bones and shields and rocks. During the time of Abu-bakr's ruling, it has been rewritten in large scrolls, backed up by a fragment ( bone, shield etc) which contains the verse and two of the companions who memorise the verse and it's location within its chapter.

Agreement of two companions and one fragment followed suit until the entire Qur'an was rewritten to these scrolls. During the times of Omar ibn Al Khattab, The scrolls were copied multiple times and sent to Iraq, Egypt, Syria, and Yemen.

During the times of Othman ibn Affan, he decided to complie it all once again with his own hands into a book rather than seperate scrolls. After he has done so, it has been replicated into other books and all the previous scrolls were burnt.

Eventually, we still have the Same Qur'an as 1400 years ago. Same language, same recitations, same order.
Oth

Then he's either not all knowing, or he's not all powerful, and thus can't be God

I have a pretty good idea what George Washington looked like, because a very talented artist painted him. Just because your fucktard religion doesn't like portraits doesn't mean that a portrait painter can't capture a person's appearance.

Simply, if God can't make the following work: "1 == !1", then he lacks either knowledge or power, thus cannot be God

>".......history establishes beyond the shadow of doubt that even the pagan Arabs, before Muhammad's time, knew their chief god by the name of Allah and even, in a sense, proclaimed his unity...Among the pagan Arabs this term denoted the chief god of their pantheon, the Kaaba, with its three hundred and sixty idols." (The Moslem Doctrine of God, Samuel M. Zwemer 1905, p 24-25)

YOU FUCKING KNEEL A STONE CUBE
YOU FUCKING HMAR

>even when he is unjust.
Yeah because your sister fattoushe isn't wearing a hijab in Syria and the government is ok with that. He is unjust

You are a fucking drone
A mindfucked drone

He never, ever mistreated Syrians, you propaganda shit bag

he doesnt have to be all knowing to create an infinitely large mass

>this unique Qur'an,

Unique?

UNIIQUE?

Quran

“Because of this, we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people." Qur'an 5:3

and the following passage from the Talmud, Sanhedrin 34a:

"For this reason was man created alone, to teach thee that whosoever destroys a single soul of israel, scripture imputes [guilt] to him as though he had destroyed a complete world; and whosoever preserves a single soul of israel, scripture ascribes [merit] to him as though he had preserved a complete world."

So such for "unique".

He copied his stuff from all kjnds of sources. He mjxed Arab tribal customs with half understood Chrsitianity, Judaism and Zoroasterism.

He was a plagiator and a hack.

How do we know that he was an analphabet? Because it says so in the Quran. How fucking convenient.


Islam is a backwards ideology for backwards people and it shows every time they trh apologetics.

The definition of God is that he doesn't exist in space or he isn't defined by time. Just like how a gamer developer does not exist in his own game

The laws that govern the heavy stone were created by God to govern the movement and motion of objects in spacial dimensions with a time dimension.

The game developer will have created a certain level of physics and mechanics which suit the style of his game's universe.


All in all, This is like asking the gaming studio Rockstar " In GTA, Could you create a stone so heavy, that even you may not lift it? "

The question is totally invalid.

And you know for a fact that the Jesuits, the Jews, the pagans, the Persians, the Byzantium empire, and the khawarej didn't change anything in it.

That's a common misunderstanding. Omnipotence is not equal to "can do anything" it is equal to "can do anything, which can be done in the definition space" The paradox constructs a formal logical impossibility which due to the definition space cannot be done, that's why there's a difference between a paradox and a formal logical impossibility. With the latter the flaw lies with the premises.

>> implying that every sandnigger follows the same laws
If it's banning homosexuality according to the Quran, then yes.

He was a fucking manipulator who married for money and exploited his kuraish bloodline to create a separate Jewish tribe


You fucking parasite, Beni hashem Is Hebrew for "children of the name"

Ha Shem literally means "the name"

Beni hashem are Jews
You fucking
Hmaaaaaaar
Also to the faggot before who said Allah came from Mohammed, you donkey booger his father's name is Mohammed ibn and Allah

Mohammed the son of the worshipper of Allah
His father worshipped Allah before he fucked Mohammed's mother

The fucking idiocy is outstanding

a lobotomy.

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okay so if hes omnipotent in a possibly infinitely large universe then he is infinitely omnipotent

>dubs speak the truth

When they stop being niggers

All messengers received the same message from God.

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If i was a king, and i needed to send a message to my 10 neighbouring countries. I will write it down on 10 different papers and ask 10 different messengers to go and carry the message to each respective country.

Is it reasonable, after 100 years, for country 4 to claim that country 3 stole the message that both of them received?

NO. Because both of them received one message from one source. Albeit country 7 might have lost all of it, country 9 preserved some of it, etc.

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From chapter 4.

163. Indeed, We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], as We revealed to Noah and the prophets after him. And we revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, the Descendants, Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the book [of Psalms].

164. And [We sent] messengers about whom We have related [their stories] to you before and messengers about whom We have not related to you. And Allah spoke to Moses with [direct] speech.

165. [We sent] messengers as bringers of good tidings and warners so that mankind will have no argument against Allah after the messengers. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.

166. But Allah bears witness to that which He has revealed to you. He has sent it down with His knowledge, and the angels bear witness [as well]. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.

Hope that answers your question.

Then why are muslims literally the dumbest and ugliest ethnicity on the planet?

Oh shit the fucking fuck up Jew
Your religion is Babylonian Iraqi cults combined with ancient Egyptian shamanism

Fuck your Adonai as much as you would fuck Mohammed


Fuck you all, you brainwashed idiots

Alawite philosophy is the only truth

>ONETRILLIONDOLLARS.jpg

evidence

Honestly Sharia Law could do the nigger world a lot of favors, other than that I'm kind of reviled at how corrupt and delicate inner muslim societies seem to be.

I hope Islam does "dominate" the world though, if everyone becomes as retarded as the middle east I could easily get to the position I've been gunning for the last year.

The sad part is that Islam isn't even a credible threat to the religious or civilized world. Middle eastern countries are the butt of almost every joke and slander in the book and most of western society hates Islamic society. So honestly the push for a more faithful world is pretty futile.

I pray a swift death to you brother, because I'm not so sure others will afford you the same privilege.

Religion is for plebs.

What makes you believe in a peeping tom skywizard?

>Thinking anything other than white skin is superior.
>Dirt is brown and so is trash, holyness is surrounded by a white glow
WHITES > EVER OTHER RACE

how stupid are you?

that's not how logic works. infinity does not change the laws and principles that apply it just increases the existing permutations of causal interaction to infinity.

In an infinite universe everything that can exist in accordance with its laws and principles must exist, anything that cannot, must not.

Fuck you "brother"

You aren't faithful, you lurk a website where traps fuck dogs fucking kids

Go fuck your self

Sanhedrin is the Talmud you ignorant camel-piss drinker.

Are you saying that some random Jewish judge was a prophet of god?

You people know knothing about other religion. No wonder that you believe that ll the stuff that Mohammed sole from people who were smarter than him impresses you so much.

No, what I am saying is fuck your Talmud
Fuck your Torah
Fuck your Israel, you war mongering self righteous spaz
Jews are on the same level of cancer with Sunnis, you both are the fucking rednecks of the world

This is OP, and all these are my previous replies.

I'm out, need to go eat hummus and study for my fluids exam.


Best wishes for all, been a pleasure to have a Sup Forums thread. It wont be my last one.

Peace.

Suck satan's cock

Shouldn't you be praying in the direction of your false god and stolen 'holy' city friend?

Your Sunni sister and mother will get gang banged by non Sunnis
And they will love it

I promise you, no matter where you go, we will find you Sunni insects

A true God would not require worship or recognition of any kind, let alone war and atrocities and forced conversion. A true God would just be.

I am not Muslim
I follow an esoterique belief

This planet is a prison

It was made to lock your consciousness here
Every time you die your actions are brought up

Think of it as parole hearing
And the religions on the planet are out by the warden to keep you from butchering everyone here

You are on earth, which means you are inherently corrupt and have done something to deserve earth prison


You think jet skiing, pornstars, money and fame, new smartphones and wild rave parties are cool?


Compare that to the ability to create entire planets
You are a fucking prisoner and you don't even know it

Suicide only further the sentence
They can send you back as a dumbass animal to be slaughtered by hyenas

You have no idea
You have no fucking idea

You think those monkey books you read are holy

You think your Kabbalah and astral projection are something else

You think freemasonry and illuminati are important

Nigger you are lost in a prison
The real you once created entire galaxies

Each of us was one of the original creators, until we got corrupt

I'm an atheist German you dumb fuck.

I'm not a Jew you stupid idiot.