Who do you wish was never elected

who do you wish was never elected.

obama or bush

give 3 reasons or it doesn't count

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Obama
1. Nigger
2. Nigger
3. Nigger

Obama
>led to the rise of sjw cucks
>got away with ruining America because he's black
>insulted my boi donald trump

Obama
1. Nigger
2. Nigger
3. Nigger

bush
1. It pisses this guy off
2. It pisses this guy off
3. It pisses this guy off

Probably Bush for starting the war in Iraq, I don't know if Obama would have been elected if things weren't so shitty after him.

Obama
1. total authoritarian
2. race war mongerer
3. intense lying hypocrite since he has bombed way more frequently and a number of other countries way more than dubya could have ever dreamed of doing. and Obama won the nobel peace prize

Obama
1. Abuses power with executive orders
2. Got many soldiers in the military killed
3. Created more racial tension when he coulde fixed it
4. Way to strict on law abiding gun owners
5. Increased terrorism under him
6. Made gay rights legal federally

I'd probably have to say Bush.

>Comparatively, Bush spent more money we don't have. To call him fiscal conservative is like calling Obama a libertarian. Leaving generations to pick up the debt that older generations will never see which is like enslaving your future children just to party on a sinking ship.
>Bush jumped the gun, knew most of the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan is the country that harbors most terrorists at the time, was told that "yellow cake uranium" was bullshit by intel, and still went to war with Iraq.
>He's a fraud. Props to be an oil working Texas man, is from Connecticut and a political class of the GOP who stands for fundamentalist values far more than any other value of the Conservative ideology. Religion is the worst element of the Conservative party, and if not for religion, I'd take up the conservative label very easy.

I don't like both of them, yet both of them were elected.

>Comparatively, Bush spent more money we don't have.

It's easily provable that Obama spent more money than Bush. Trillions more.

Not calling Bush a fiscal conservative, but come on, math isn't that hard.

to me this is easy as fuck, Obama. Bush didn't know jackshit about all that shady shit going on. dudes a frat boy drunk coke head who owns a baseball team. papa bush and cheney were running the show in those times. Dubya was just a prop, he didn't know anything. Obama is way worse, deceptive little sack of cunt scum. he smiles and says he is your friend while taking your wallet, putting a bullet in you and then impregnating your gf. that is seriously how Obama rolls, snake in the grass to say the least

Obama

- He's a complete anti-semite who has funded and armed radical Islamic terror in the Middle East.
- Obamacare is a failure.
- Directly supplied cartels with guns in Operation Fast and Furious knowing full well they would only be getting those guns back when they were recovered from crime scenes.

Obama.

Main reason is because the damage done by Bush is an investment that will pay off for all Americans in the long run... whereas everything Obama did was just damaging to Americans with no return.

Whether Americans (or the rest of the world for that matter) want to admit it or not.. America establishing a permanent, dominant presence in the Middle East is in everyone's best interest (unless you're Chinese or Russian). We've assured our supplies of oil, retained USD currency usage and central banks, and prevented China and Russia from doing that themselves.

The US will not only still be here in 50 years, but it'll still be a superpower.. thanks to Bush.

Obama, he did NOTHING for America.. nothing positive anyways.

Bush

1. 9/11

2. 2 expensive wars

3. biggest recession since the great depression

4. He never prioritized catching Osama, and actively diverted attention away from killing him to appease the ultra-rich Bin Laden family. They were known for their investments in US companies, particularly in the Bush family oil companies.

Obama's been a great president by comparison.

Bush

Gore would have put more regulation on agriculture and industry, pushed for proper education in schools (particularly science and math) rather than rolling out NCLB, and maybe even properly handled healthcare reform and recovering from the 2008 crash, but eventually he would have lost in 2012 to a Republican with a reconstructionism platform but in a world where 9/11 never happened, enabling a plethora of STEM graduates to enter the work force in the wake of a second industrial revolution that would put us above the bar technologically and economically rather than just in terms of a huge ass military.

Fuuuuck I forgot how much I wished Gore won in 2000.

I'd like the sources if you know them off hand. It's fine if you don't. It still does stand both ironic and hypocritical to spend on loans with money you don't have and remain supported by the GOP. The tea party started during the Bush administration, and it got hijacked by Republicans when Obama came in while ousting the guy who founded it. Obviously, Republicans have less care about fiscal values than they do about social and fundamental ones. And even if Obama spent more, if they weren't crying about taxes under the Bush terms, they should keep their mouth shut and only open it when taking a dick in their mouths since that's what they deserve.

I remember back in 2008 people were saying Bush was bad but looking back, Bush wasn't even half as Obama is now.

Obama

1. Obamacare
2. SJW/Snowflake movement/LGBT rights
3. More Terrorism

Fuck obama

Obama
>Economically, Bush was a fantastic president; got us out of a recession and saved our economy from a depression via TARP
>Obama's implementations were extremely costly. Dodd Frank gave banks hundreds of millions of dollars to invest...the banks just bought other banks
>We had better music, movies, culture, etc. under Bush

...

>the damage done by Bush is an investment that will pay off for all Americans in the long run

Lying to get us into the Iraq war was an investment? It'll help all Americans? Even the ones that are missing limbs or disfigured? Please tell me how wiping his ass with the Bill of Rights helped America.

>whereas everything Obama did was just damaging to Americans with no return

Pulling us back from the brink of a depression? Saving the American auto industry? Marriage equality for gays? Tripling the Dow? Cutting the unemployment rate in half? Helping 20 million Americans get health care?

You're an idiot

Yeah dude, John Kerry wasn't our first alternative.

Oh, and a slight clarification/correction, I meant, the control of the White House would shift in 2008 to GOP, not 2012 or in some Gore vs X election. Gore would've pulled off 2 terms, but by the end of those, it would be proper to have a GOP POTUS in '08 or '12. A Dem incumbent elected post-Gore would have to be one hell of a cleanup pitcher to pull off winning '08 in the first place, let alone sticking around afterwards. Bernie could have probably done it, but back then he wasn't aiming for the Oval (tbh I don't think he ever truly was) and even if he had, it would have been even more politically suicidal for him to label himself a socialist at that time, as it would have likely coincided with the rise of Putin.

How about click your fucking self to /pol and see what they think. This is why there at seperate boards OP

You know, those are damn good reasons, but Obamacare affects me most. So putting that as number 1 is spot on. I generally don't go to areas that prohibit guns, not because of fear, but I just don't happen to be in those places. Living in a guns-ho state, I feel pretty safe, and I don't see those liberals the internet and media talks about, so it's not too much of a problem for me. I just know that political shift and climate does impact every area of the nation eventually, so that is a threat to stomp down before the flames become too big to put out.

This is a good thread. I'm very torn by it so it's a good challenge and refinement of my thoughts.

It was a geopolitical move. How you missed that, I just can't fathom it.

> Pulling us back from the brink of a depression?

Do you really think the US would have ceased to exist without Obama and his policies? We could have went 8 years with no president, and our economy would have recovered from the brink of a depression.

> Saving the American auto industry?

Sure, lol. Those crony fucks took advantage of the moment. They tried, and failed, to force Ford to take the bailout. Remember? They kept insisting they didn't need it.

> Marriage equality for gays?

Who gives a fuck? How does that help Americans?

> Tripling the Dow? First response, above.

> Cutting the unemployment rate in half?

You painfully stupid motherfucker.

> Helping 20 million Americans get health care?

By raping the wallets of everyone else, after forcing 2700 pages of legislation down the throats of unwilling Americans.. only 700 of which had FUCK ALL to do with healthcare?

Find a fire, and die in it.

>1. Obamacare

It's a flawed but serious attempt to help Americans that need medical coverage. If the Republicans had worked to fix it instead of voting 60+ times to repeal (knowing it would just get vetoed) it might actually work by now.

>2. SJW/Snowflake movement/LGBT rights

Whatever. If you're gonna whine about people geting equality I cant reason with you - You're just a bigot.

>3. More Terrorism

Really? MORE terrorism? Bush let thousands die on 9/11 meanwhile since Obama's been president there's been no major attacks on U.S. soil - just some wanna-be assholes claiming affiliation with terrorist groups after reading ISIS fan fiction.

We found WMDs in Iraq and Bush never lied. England pressured America to go to war. In the end we terminated a dictator and a leader of extremism.

Bush saved us from the recession, Obama led the country out of it. Presidents have absolutely no effect on the stock market. The problem with Obamacare is that premiums are so high, small businesses and those in poverty can hardly afford them. My mom is a psychologist and with Obamacare, she sees multiple patients that can't pay her. Mitt Romney's health care plan in Massachusetts was much better than Obama's.

2700 pages. Only 700 of which had anything to do with healthcare. Don't you think that maybe, those 2000 pages have something to do with it?

Or is it just because he's a black man?

You're a tool, a pawn, and useless idiot.

A soldier of liberalism.

Actually, Clinton's deregulation and loosening of the SEC's grip directly led to the "debt can be a commodity" practices that collapsed into the 2008 crisis.

Bush
Because right wing i ideology is fucking retarded, not it an opinion its fact. INB4 Reich-tards say cuck.

fucking this!

What? I agree. I don't think you read my response quite thoroughly. I never claimed Bush caused the recession, I stated that he saved us from it.

Abraham Fuckin Lincoln... then we could still have nigger slaves.

you are retarded
left wings do the exact same thing as right wings in terms of oppression and taking money from working class
the only difference is that by voting right wing at least we can keep niggers and femiwhales in check.
obama is living proof of it
if you think that nigger isnt involved in some higher agenda then you are stupid

Bush. I'll clarify that I don't like Obama and think he's just a really, really good snakeoil salesman, his DOJ was a fucking disgrace, and he legitimized some of the worst values of the left. But the reasons Bush sucks more:

1. 9/11
2. Iraq
3. Afghanistan

I'm not convinced that 9/11 would've been allowed to have happened if someone else was in office.

nailed it.

Niggers were going to get freed eventually. It was to late as soon as they were brought here.

Oh, I was just rebutting the bit about Presidents having no effect on the stock market.

I'm on mobile and cba to pasta and greentext one part of a post lol

libya, syria, blm, debt, globalism. obama's topped bush. he's just continued his shit. what do you expect from cousins?

I definitely agree that Obama's kept the ball in the air, but I guess I'm placing the blame on the guy who threw it up there in the first place. I was 16, so I didn't have an opinion on Gore, but I don't think he had any skin in the ME oil game like Bush and Cheney did.

They're both terrible, can't we retroactively oust Bush and Obama?

This idiotic bullshit that Bush could've prevented 9/11 needs to stop. Bush was told very vaguely that there was going to be an attack but in the Arabian Peninsula, Jordan, Israel, and Europe.

Nobody missed it - It was a geopolitical move that failed. Bush's attempts at nation building while putting it on a credit card has all but bankrupted us.

America wouldnt have ceased to exist. Who said that? Nobody. But without Obama we would have continued on that downward spiral - Instead you can see the trend stop/reverse almost as soon as Obama takes office and puts his policies into play.

Whatever. The auto industry was saved - Along with hundreds of thousands of jobs.

How does equality for gays help Americans? HINT: Some Americans are gay

You obviously have nothing to rebut the simple facts that the Dow was plummeting and the unemployment rate was climbing rapidly under Bush - Both have reversed under Obama

LOL. Obamacare raped the wallets of everyone else? Raped? Tell me - How much did your taxes skyrocket? I didnt notice any difference at all. Most people didnt. What little I may pay extra is helping people get coverage - I'm ok with that.

Try getting your info from someplace other that Fox News once in a while.

l, bush is a hilarious idiot, and obama carries himself like he knows what he's doing, has done many controversial things, that ipersonally am happy about,. But he dropped the iron ball on the economic glass table.

Hard to say really

Cheney gave the order not to intercept the airplanes, bruh

God. Do you even hear yourself?

Presidents have an effect on the economy, but not the stock market. Recently, I was reading an article that was researched by a couple CPAs that showed that the stock market will continue to increase.

Going to have to post your source.

>anti-semite
This is a bad thing?

literal /thread

That's right you fuckin kek, we never should have shipped them over here, but it's not too late to eradicate them All.

Pick one lol

Bush
>9/11 may not have happened
>Invasion of Iraq wouldn't have happened that lead to millions of deaths
>The Patriot Act never wouldv'e been enacted

I'm one hunnit percent nigga!

>He unironically believes this

What a fucking retard.

>He's a complete anti-semite
That's a good thing, niggajoo.

That pic sums up republicanism pretty well. The country club republicans convince the lowliest members of the party that god's real, abortion is evil, free healthcare is socialism, and that lower taxes on the rich will allow wealth to dribble down to the poor, etc etc. Then the working class whites vote against their own interests.

In Texas in the 90's we had huge flooding in Conroe when they opened the Conroe dam because rich people were complaining that they weren't able to access their yachts. Some people lost all they owned. The republican congressmen who made the call never did time or anything. I don't doubt the same people who lost all they had still vote republican.

>It's a flawed but serious attempt to help Americans that need medical coverage
>H-he was just trynna be nice bro!

Kill yourself

This.

>WordPress
>Stateofthenation2012
>Raw Story
>Infowars
Top kek, why don't you use a real source?
bbc.com/news/magazine-14665953

So argument. Much reasons. Very wow.

Exactly

>This idiotic bullshit that Bush could've prevented 9/11 needs to stop. Bush was told very vaguely that there was going to be an attack but in the Arabian Peninsula, Jordan, Israel, and Europe.

He was told specifically that Bin Laden was going to attempt an attack inside the US. He ignored the threat and then used the attack to justify a war in a country he knew damn well had nothing to do with it.

>give 3 reasons or it doesn't count
these are the two complete fucking retards itt

the rest of you arguing tards are fine

>Arguments are full of strawman
>Using a 2012 unfunny doge meme
>This is called being "clever" in libtard land

Kill yourself.

POTUS and their cabinet members can and do enact policies and take actions that have an either direct or single step indirect result reflected by the stock market. The debt commodity blocks I mentioned before were able to be given practically blue chip status due to the lax oversight by the executive branch.

Since 9/11, the majority of terrorist attacks on American soil has been done by Conservative Christians - not Muslims.

Info Wars has the largest audience in the entire United states. It's also the most watched broadcast, most listened to radio show, and most trusted among Libertarians, Conservatives, Republicans, and has an influence on the new President of United states of America.

It's also the reason the entire system is shitting itself in an uncontrollable fit of rage right now.

Obama was never elected

Bush
>9/11
>patriot act
>the fact that he's a skull and crossbones fucboi and even less qualified to be president than donald fucking trump

Both sides are wrong, user. I hope for your sake you're not so retarded that you hold up the Dems as the One True Path to some kind of nonexistent utopia, or even the best approach to keeping a stable society where we all don't turn on each other.

The Repubs appeal to "working class", "god-fearing" voters by spouting off fear-mongering bullshit. Then they fuck them in the ass while pulling every ounce of life blood out of the planet and spitting all of the garbage back out into the air and water.

The Dems' platform is essentially that photo of the dog sitting in a room that's on fire going "Everything's fine". Their message of "acceptance of everyone" is painted on top of a very real agenda to turn us all into distracted, homogenized citizens. They trick their own in-groups into fighting amongst themselves so their supporters aren't paying attention to their brand of fuckery.

Both sides work hard to make sure that the power structure remains the same and that it's hard for citizens to make any real difference--even though we could make a difference tomorrow by banding together (which we won't because we're pussy faggots who have it really good).

Obama was FAR less destructive than Bush. Besides, if Bush hadn't been president, there probably would have never been an Obama anyway.

So anger. Much outrageous. Very wow.

They are both freemasonic puppets working for the same people, so it doesnt matter. They are all the same. Both were SElected on Elected.

nah nigga, you retarded

Yeah, no. Not when it means arming radical Islamic factions like Hamas. History has proven when you arm towelheads, they will turn those same guns on you in future battles. They hate America and believe that Israel, (which is perhaps the only nation with any measure of decency in the Middle East) has no right to exist. I take the side of the Jews over Islam and if you're not on the side of the terrorists, so should you.

Oooooooooooooh

Obama
1- He only won because he's black
2- As one user pointed out, he led to the rise of SJWs and rapefugees.
3- Made the damn debt even worse.

Condoleezza Rice on the August 6 2001 Daily Briefing, "[It] said nothing about an attack on America,” she testified. “It talked about intentions, about somebody who hated America – well, we knew that.”
Besides Bill Clinton knew about Bin Laden since the mid 90s. Why is no one blaming him?
Bin Laden was living in Afghanistan and the Bush Administration ordered Afghanistan to hand over Bin Laden, they didn't.

OP this is not /pol

go get hit by a truck

I, for one, absolutely believe that the side you claim to be on makes a lick of difference. Great minds like us gotta stick together.

This is the only correct answer.

So violence. Much dark. Very wow.

Go get hit on by a trucker.

>nah nigga, you retarded

Just because a lot of people go to Info Wars, does not mean it is correct. A lot of people believe in ghosts, does that mean that they're real?

Ms Barry O'nigger
1. Obamacare
2. SJW/Snowflake movement
3.Peaceful President dropped 26000 bombs last year = More Terrorism

It is to late m8. White people just have to hope they can find somewhere like Greenland or Iceland or something where niggers and muzzies won't go because it's to hard to live on welfare in a frozen wasteland

I screencapped the first few results for when you Google "Cheney gave stand down order". Official reports also say Shillary had no idea her emails were classified, so your BBC article doesn't hold much water when it's backed by that.

Lol

Eh. Cest La Vie.
USA will get the government she deserves, for better or worse. Thos Jefferson said that actually, but now that Idiocracy is finally happening, and the US is racing headlong into the cultural extremism that destroyed the civilized world twice already, this is only natural progression. All world powers rise and fall, from within and without.
Rise and fall.
...Rise and fall.

And the world's Old Money begins to look for greener pastures to plant their stolen fortunes in once again.

Look, if lots and lots of people like a thing then it's obviously the best thing. End of discussion.
Now. About that popular vote...

KEK

There's literally no difference between Bush or Obama. One picked up where the other left off. They're both just puppets. Hillary would have been the same.

Bush was a fucking disaster. Gore would have kept the environment from going to hell in a handbag, pushed forward green technologies and we'd all be driving cheap teslas, or riding maglev from NYC to LA in 3 hours trains by now.

We wouldn't have banned stem cell research, we'd be 8 years closer to a cancer cure, and a cure for all those shitty diseases.

All that money wasted in the Iraq war..... spend on tech and infrastructure, this country would be amazing by now. You know, how 2016 was supposed to look.

The GOP is dragging its feet into the future. It's obnoxious as fuck.

u wot m8?

You're clearly a well-educated adult who is respected by your peers.

>I disagree with a single article so every article must be fake
None of the websites you listed have ever been known to be trustworthy.

But bush did "no child left behind" and mandated standardized testing over actual curriculum. That was a good idea right?

WINNER