What's best ancient civilization in New World? Mayans, Aztecs or Incas? Explain your choice

What's best ancient civilization in New World? Mayans, Aztecs or Incas? Explain your choice.

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Mongols.

Vikings

I'm Argentinian so I think I'm biased but the superior ancient civilization in the new world are the Incans.

apart from the mayans who simply died out for some reason, those empires were completely rekt by a few handfuls of diseased spaniards

>+200,000 native allies

>Mayans
The Italians of the Ameridians because they were liars who predicted the end of the world
>Aztecs
The niggers of the Ameridians who teared off the hearts of little girls
>Incas
The Anglo-Celts of the Amerindians who built mysterious city like Vilcabamba or Tiahuanaco.

Compared to old world:

Mayans = Greeks
Aztecs = Romans
Incas = Chineses

Idk, but the aztecs were the worst.

>16 guns

wew

Spanish

reaching a bit

guns in this instance of course refers to cannon

y tho

> muh noble savages

It's the same for germans

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The maya were GOAT
we fucked the olmecs in the ass and they took it like the bitches they are

>"""we"""

Id say Aztecs just because of what they accomplished in the short amount of time they had.

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>we fucked the olmecs in the ass and they took it like the bitches they are

Incas.

They were the better ones at preserving their culture and indentity.

Aztecs simply got mashed together under the Spanish Mexican Umbrella and Mayans are in there too, at least those who are not part of the list of completely irrelevant central american countries.

>They were the better ones at preserving their culture and indentity.
??

that "inca" has a halberd and a cape

Is it too hard for you to understand?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestral_Puebloans

>Implying that a bunch of indian throwers could field an army that big.
It was logistically impossible for Europeans let alone for people that hadn't discovered the wheel. Those numbers are inflated

>ask for an actual argument to a bold statement
>>Is it too hard for you to understand?

none
>Explain your choice
they were all Hitite tier and were going to extinguish themselves without the "little push" from euros anywway

lol

it's a scepter actually but a cool halberd-like one

>they were all Hitite tier and were going to extinguish themselves
hmm, really triggered the sinapsis

are there south americans that go all >muh ancient heritage?

Yes. All of them. Argies with Italians,Peruvians and Bolivians with the Incas. Cental Americans do the same with the Mayans and Mexicans with the Aztecs

yep, they're called "socialistas"

>hurr we wuz hyummen sacrifuce but wut about da hollokaus
you only proved that mankind is shit regardless of race
but some people can learn from mistakes while others never do

>that pic
What in the fuck

>Quechua speakers
~ 9 mil
13% or Peru's population speak Quechua

>Nahuatl speakers in Mexico
~ 1 mil
less than 1% of Mexican population

>Peru's native population (all natives)
45%

>Mexico's native population (all natives)
28%

>Peruvian identitu
Most are proud to be Indian

>Mexican identity
Most wants to be white

>Quechua peoples
Traditional

>Nahua peoples
Wear jump suits

>Quechua status
Growing

>Nahuatl status
Endangered

I can go on, but I thing that as a Mexican, you can barely compare your Nahua peoples with Quechua peoples and see which are more dominant in comparison to the countries/areas they inhabit.

>people that hadn't discovered the wheel.

>be spanish
>met people who doesn't live half a month late to the actual date
>burn their books and kill the astronomers
>take a century to discover how to synchronize
>proceed to post how the savages had no wheels in a cantonese cartoon forum 500 years later

>I can go on, but I think that as a Mexican, you can better compare your Nahua peoples with Quechua peoples and see which are more dominant in the countries/areas they inhabit.

Fix

Mapuches are best

Only some lefties. Rural people that actually live in the same way Incas used to generally don't care.

Spain was more advanced than the aztecs around 8000 BC when metal working was discovered by the natives here.In 1519 Spain was more advanced than the Aztecs in every field.Aztec WE WUZism is lame as the Aztecs were as advanced as niggers at the time

>"Moctezuma II possessed out of the city as well as within, numerous villas, each of which had its peculiar sources of amusement, and all were constructed in the best possible manner for the use of a great prince and lord. Within the city his palaces were so wonderful that it is hardly possible to describe their beauty and extent ; I can only say that in Spain there is nothing equal to them."

>"On their route they passed through three provinces, that, according to the report of the Spaniards, contained very fine land, many villages and cities, with much scattered population, and buildings equal to any in Spain. They mentioned particularly a house and castle, the latter larger, of greater strength, and better built than the castle of Burgos ; and the people of one of these provinces, called Tamazulapa, were better clothed than those of any other we had seen, as it justly appeared to them."


>"The city of Iztapalapa contains twelve or fifteen thousand houses; it is situated on the shore of a large salt lake, one-half of it being built upon the water, and one half on terra firma. The governor or chief of the city has several new houses, which, although they are not yet finished, are equal to the better class of houses in Spain –being large and well constructed, in the stone work, the carpentry, the floors, and the various appendages necessary to render a house complete, excepting the reliefs and other rich work usual in Spanish houses. There are also many upper and lower rooms–cool gardens, abounding in trees and odoriferous flowers; also pools of fresh water, well constructed, with stairs leading to the bottom."

- Second letter of Cortes to Charles V

>"The next morning we reached the broad high road of Iztapalapan, whence we for the first time beheld the numbers of towns and villages built in the lake, and the still greater number of large townships on the mainland, with the level causeway which ran in a straight line into Mexico."

>"Our astonishment was indeed raised to the highest pitch, and we could not help remarking to each other, that all these buildings resembled the fairy castles we read of in Amadis de Gaul; so high, majestic, and splendid did the temples, towers, and houses of the town, all built of massive stone and lime, rise up out of the midst of the lake. Indeed, many of our men asked if what they saw was a mere dream. And the reader must not feel surprised at the manner in which I have expressed myself, for it is impossible to speak coolly of things which we had never seen nor heard of, nor even could have dreamt of, beforehand."

(...)

>"(About Tlatelolco) After we had sufficiently gazed upon this magnificent picture, we again turned our eyes toward the great market, and beheld the vast numbers of buyers and sellers who thronged there. The bustle and noise occasioned by this multitude of human beings was so great that it could be heard at a distance of more than four miles. Some of our men, who had been at Constantinople and Rome, and travelled through the whole of Italy, said that they never had seen a market-place of such large dimensions, or which was so well regulated, or so crowded with people as this one at Mexico."

- Bernal Díaz del Castillo, chapters LXXXVII and XCII

>This WE WUZism
Kek.The natives took 50k years to not discovered metal working.Being proud of that is nigger tier.Btw pyramids are baby tier architecture and that is why almost all early civilizations built like that

*drains lake*

>we

>Pax Americana is a lie you fat American faggots
Thanks for the refutation

Those are mestizos though, not indians

Iroquois,
They had fish

you like fish sticks?

and we are the ones wewuzing
>Mesopotamia was fully into the Iron Age by 900 BC. Although Egypt produced iron artifacts, bronze remained dominant until its conquest by Assyria in 663 BC. The Iron Age began in Central Europe about 500 BC, and in India and China between 1200 and 500 BC.

also
>The natives took 50k years to not discovered metal working
>Cortes now, therefore, began to make active preparations for the siege of Mexico. He issued orders to all the townships which[Pg 56] lay in the vicinity of Tezcuco, and were in alliance with us, for each of them to furnish him with 8000 copper points for our arrows, to be made after the model of our Spanish ones, of which some were sent them for that purpose. They were also to furnish an equal number of arrows, which were to be made from a wood particularly adapted for that use, and they received some of our Spanish arrows to work by. He allowed them eight days for the making and delivery of these; and indeed both the arrows and the copper points arrived at Tezcuco in the time specified. Our stock of these now consisted of 50,000 pieces, and the arrow points made by these people were even better than those we brought from Spain.
- Bernal Díaz del Castillo, chapter CXLVII of the True History of the Conquest of the New Spain

Commies. And they will deny their colonizer heritage.

Now post Otumba, I like this game.

>furnish him with 8000 copper points for our arrows
just in case someone brings that copper doesn't really count as metalworking

>Old Spanish:"hachuelas d'cobre" (copper hatchets). Modern metallurgical studies classify most of the axes as bronze alloys
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlaximaltepoztli

>Those are mestizos
yeah now that it's convenient for you you point it out. whatever

Caddo

>There are actually people right now who think that real life is linear like a game of Civilization and shitpost about "muh iron age"

>There are actually people right now who don't understand that mining iron in Central and South America is almost impossible before modern technology so it's no wonder these Mesoamerican groups didn't have metal working

>These same people probably assert that sub saharan Africa had "no civilization" despite these people having had Iron working for centuries before European contact, because the "muh no iron age" argument somehow only works against Native Americans

>These are the same people who will refute this post with "a fucking leaf" unironically

I never understood how people like to play in Civ, the only game that's worse is probably Diablo.

+1

>Mali and other african civilizations had iron weapons, armors and tools before the Aztecs and Mayans
shame on you mexicans, your "KANGZ" were worse than niggers

But that's the thing; metals that are useful for tool use aren't found easily in The Americas.

Many African kingdoms had iron weapons and tools because Africa is extraordinarily resource rich and it was easy to discover iron and how useful it is.

Diablo or any of the mindless low quality grindhouse grames popular with chinks

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I would love it if Quechua were to grow and become a major language, but if needs to grow at the cost of Spanish, not other native languages. If it just temporarily replaces the other languages before it itself gets replaced with Spanish, it doesn't matter. Does it have any real growth that can secure it in the future? Is it taking over major city areas? Or is it just a poorfag language that the speakers want to get rid of?

i don't care about your relativist excuses, native americans were living like in Ancient Egypt or worse when the rest of the world was on the gunpowder and sails era
doesn't matter if you see this in a linear or in relativist development POV, they were all shit and they were fucked up by weaker enemies (but with more cunning) because of it. there's no point in romanticizing them unless you're a luddite idiot or a hippie

Mayans obviously because Aztecs and Incas were imperialistic brutes.

>this coming from belgium

>peaceful paraguay is one to talk
We only surpassed you because we literally are at war since 2006.