Can someone explain what do eastern Europeans do wrong...

Can someone explain what do eastern Europeans do wrong? I've been in western countries and I don't see any real difference between our societies and work culture. Why are we still so poor? It's already 25 years after communism and we still can't catch up to the west.

>Why are we still so poor?
it's been only 30 years of your commie leaders stealing all the money for themselves compared to 230 years of westerners killing the kings who stole all of their money
of course they have a headstart
give it time

Because they have all the institutions and positions of power.

Look at Japan or the developed Asian nations. Outside of East Asia don't have much influence at all.

That's pretty naive though. Italy is just as corrupt and hell even more so then the top East Europe nations.

>Look at Japan or the developed Asian nations
jesuschrist no
i'd rather live in my mudhole instead of having to go through slaverism like Singapore and the other hell nations went through to be able to "compete"
fucking sweatshop asians

Kazakhstan is richer than Hungary. Orban is on suicide watch :DDDDD

No protestant work ethic.

yeah well my point was: "don't let your governor steal all your money" and "don't expect money to flow in just because he stopped stealing it"

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>Spain
>Italy
>Austria
>Ireland
>France

>protestant

Hairdresser cost 10 € in sweden, 5 € in czechia

Sweden have twice czech productivity

Hairdresser cost 10 € in sweden, 15 € in norway

Norway has a tenth the production of Sweden

See how your logic isn't working?

Productivity is not production

If you connect the red colored numbers you can actually see the former borders of both ottoman empire and ussr

But the graph

Why do they always exclude Slovenia from these statistics, given how we are the most developed EE country?

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Do you honestly think a Pole is 10 times lazier than a French?

No, they probably work more. They just work less efficiently. In the north we prioritize getting the job done over idle chit-chat (unless you work construction)

Mostly because you don't benefit from financial jewry like France, the UK, Germany, the US, Japan or China
Sure people earn 2 twice as much as in Poland, but everything is twice as expensive. It only seems richer by comparaison.
>France that high
But how ?
You're such a fucking bellend.

You must be fun at parties

No, you don't. I came from Italy for work and you guys have turned your workplaces into playgrounds and hippie camps where you seem to do anything but actually work. The office jobs in Stockholm, at least.

It's really annoying when you just want to get shit done, get paid and go home. I have real friends after work.

You've never worked outside your country haven't you?

I'm just saying how it is, I hate it too.

You just want to go home? This kind of attitude is why you people suck at work.

and they are sucessful. Have a great standard of living an can compete on the market while Paraguay is ...Paraguay.

Don't try to turn poverty into a virtue you Catholics tend to do

Barrign the few basket cases many EE nations can keep their corruption in check or at least complain about it openly. FFS Wasn't there one that rioted when their parliament tried to put in some corruption enabling laws.

He works to live, you live to work famalam

No that expression applies to America it was MEANT for America.

>Country has had a flourishing industry, leading to a lot of productive modern industry with a lot of automation and efficient logistics, as well as a lot of natural ressources
>Country that didn't have that
Guess which one will make more money on average, you imbecile. You can work as hard as you can, a single person can't replace an ultra modern robot on an assembly line.

If you call doing something you hate every day living

Nobody loves to work lad, best bet in life is to find the profession that annoys you the least

>Industry
>Sweden

We specialize in service and innovation. We haven't focused on production for like three centuries. China just beats everyone.

because the USA flooded the west with money for nearly half a century

>I've been in western countries and I don't see any real difference between our societies and work culture.

I do see big differences. Eastern Euros are greedy and lazy workers, they want as much money as possible while doing as little as possible.
Socially, they very selfish. They just break all the rules and steal everything. If something was communially and freely provided for everybody they would take all of it with no regard to others.

So no offense intended but I think you all have extremely shitty attitudes not conductive to building a good country and your presence actually shits up decent countries for decent people.

Sure you go on and on about being "white" and all but this does not mean a whole lot in the grand scheme of things, since a hardworking immigrant who integrates and tries to improve his host country and become a part of it is obviously better than some white nigger who shits on everything out of retarded butthurt and misguided arrogance, thats how it actually works in the real world.

t. never worked with Poles

I have, some of them were good guys

this

>"Have a great standard of living"
>cram schools
>working from monday to sunday for beyond 8 hours
>minimum wage is laughable, taxation is high
>military/police repression
>depression and high rate of suicide

>what do eastern Europeans do wrong?

They are not welcoming multikulturalism. This is the wrong choice.

>It's already 25 years after communism and we still can't catch up to the west.
Start welcoming multikulti and other liberal values.

>many EE nations can keep their corruption in check or at least complain about it openly
yeah since 25, 30 years ago
compare it to the west, where monarchy was abolished way earlier. the only dictatorships were in Spain, Portugal, Italy and Germany and look how they went
(well, West Germany had this after bringing down their dictator)

But we do. Ukraininas, Russians, Belarusians, Balkans, Jews, Vietnamese, Chinese etc. are all welcome here. We just don't want muslims and africans.

No, it's about the development of industry. If one Swede spends a week on building of an industrial robot it's worth more than 100 Bulgarians farming for a year using horses. If you put a Swede and Bulgarian in a factory they will create as much stuff.

no you're retarded
If you have shit industry that makes cheap stuff then your productivity is low, it doesn't mean you work less, or work less effectively, it's just that you can't sell the stuff you produce for too much

Alternate facts. Please revise your argument with sources.

>It's already 25 years
25 years is not really that much time.

but it's a start. just gotta keep it up

Because they youth is fleeing eastern european countries and immigrating to the west. You can hardly get any growth when you're suffering from a brain drain.

It's called common sense. If you have high tech companies that require highly skilled workforce then they probably make products that are worth more than some agricultural shit.
Look at the Silicon valley, the tech industry is a goldmine, they produce stuff that's worth a shitton, so they have a greater productivity, it doesn't mean they work more.
Besides you didn't provide sources for the "le you guys chitchat meme"

Lack of capital. While westerners have kept theirs, commies destroyed ours through money reforms and straight up retardation of the commie system.

The good news is that westerners are actively working on destroying themselves so if we let them (and don't partake), we'll overtake them eventually.

Funny because Poles is the 5th ranked country for working time in the world.

Post communist inertia.

I visit Poland and talk to family there every now and then, I can say that 30% of it is bad regulation and law, the other 70% is old communist mentality. Super difficult to start and get a business going, then the government taxes you to death being a "capitalist" feeding off the people. Starting/running/owning a business doesn't seem to be highly esteemed in Poland.
Secondly the post commie mentality also makes certain generations of Poles very greedy and selfish (because you had to be in the past) and that just doesn't help get things done. Don't get me started on the self hatred and materialism present among some of the younger generation, traitors and cucks they are.

I unironically think the solution would be nationalist capitalism. Otherwise known as USA from 1800s-1950s. Abolish constitution, repeal all laws and regulations, start clean slate with an unironically American style constitution and attitude towards business. I think the Poles at least could handle that well, if they stopped voting in socialists (PiS) and cucks (everyone else).

>I unironically think the solution would be nationalist capitalism. Otherwise known as USA from 1800s-1950s. Abolish constitution, repeal all laws and regulations, start clean slate with an unironically American style constitution and attitude towards business. I think the Poles at least could handle that well, if they stopped voting in socialists (PiS) and cucks (everyone else).


Really user?

actually retarded guy
a rare sight

Are you seriously trying to overblow the problems they do have compared to the plethora you have?

How the fuck you want ukrainians if we are banderas?

I am a huge Ameriboo so maybe take that with a grain of salt.

It makes sense to me though looking at Poland's history. There is huge precedent to have natural rights like those enshrined in the US constitution.

Freedom of Speech/Religion/Etc : Historical tolerance and academicism.

Gun ownership as a natural right : AK, countless partisan movements during occupation.

Separation of powers + Legal protections: Historical corruption in government. Modern corruption in government.

Best of all Poland has no niggers so that pretty much stops 70% of problems with the US has with their constitution.

You can't just do it nigger. There's no reset button on the country

He means "Ukrainians" aka Poles in denial, not the "UKRAIN STROnk MUH RICH HISTORY PRAISE BANDERA" kind.

I don't know about the Jews part though it looks like some trickery to me.

You entire post reeks of ahistorical inaccuracies and just plain ignorance.

>euros per hour

Doesnt mean shit because that depends on COL

There you have your answer

You mean gypsy, not EE people.

im kinda done with the nordic autism and your efficiency meme. do you unironically think that we chit chat instead of doing our job here?

That's one retarded post

fucking this

Why are you complaining? V4, balts and Slovenia are already passing Portugal, Spain and Greece in wealth. You're doing great.

Thats like paralympic games

maybe portugal and greece, spain and italy are almost recovered from the construction bubble already

those countries are western and the thread is about russian countries catching up to western europe, so i think his point is, you are catching up in the sense that you're passing some western countries

>russian countries

DELET

Latino europe is not western kek

>Latino europe
thats not even a thing you bydlo kek

>Russian countries

It is

Sun, mexican cusine, flamengo music

Latino europe

>russian countries

BORRAR ESTO

>literally using mexican language
>not latino europe

>mexican cusine
not even close

t. vladimir

Commies contribute even more than oligarchat

Whats the difference between spain and mexico anyway?

>>russian countries

im not getting triggered m8

keep going czechs , you can do it

Ciiiiiii, they can't know