Alright Sup Forums
In light of Trumps' inauguration me and my lefty roommate got into an argument recently. He is certain, that Obama is among the best 5 presidents the US ever had (he mainly likes him because he is le funneh president XD).
I told him about how Obama is just some libshit and how liberal views are retarded. He said that's just opinions, so I need some data. You know: facts, numbers, that kinda stuff.
Anyone got anything?
You could look up the most recent historical presidential rankings.
Nope. None exist.
Highest number of people not in the workforce. Ever. Unemployment number means nothing. It doesn't count the people who have used up their benefits.
>I told him about how Obama is just some libshit and how liberal views are retarded.
>I need some data. You know: facts, numbers, that kinda stuff.
hilarious
>be me
>arguing with brother over something we literally know nothing about
>come to be for 'facts'
>graduate high school at age 22
for one he let a bunch of drug dealers out of prison, and has kept many criminals out of jail. Mostly everything he has gotten done has been through executive orders, which is a shitty way to do things, and Obama has completely destroyed race relations in his 8 years ironically since hes our first black president. And he has done this by jumping in to defend black criminals who have been shot by police before any investigation has even been done proving that he himself is a racist, and does not judge based on character, but by color
>Sup Forums
You seem to be in the wrong broad faggot >>Sup Forums
list goes on and on
oh man, you sold me. thanks every pundit ever for making this point again this week. tell me what benghazi was again, i love that story.
Here's a number for you: Zero.
Try this: Spend one day where you spend zero hours talking about, fretting over or arguing about the presidency.
Use facts.
>shitty economy (less than 3% GDP growth)
>Obamacare is bankrupting families
>health insurance rates sky rocketing
>hourly workers getting fucked over by Obamacare rules
>race relations set back decades
>BLM protests; rise of SJW pussies; fueled by social media
>numerous "lone wolf" (a.k.a. Muslim) terror attacks in the U.S.
>most of media controlled by Democrats (proven true in wikileaks)
>Obama's secret history (including college grades)
>Obama golfing every other fucking week
>Obama and Michelle living like king and queen
>Obama's hundreds of Executive Orders (deliberately going around Congress)
>weakening of our military
And so on.
Ratings don't mean shit when comparing presidents. Look at the economy and society in general.
Thank God for President Trump and the start of a new era of greatness returning to America.
andrew jackson is #9? lol how can people be upset with Trump.
giving nuclear capabilities to an underdeveloped country like Iran was a great idea am I right. And look at all those jobs he created, I mean the unemployment rate dropped rapidly so that must mean hes been creating jobs. Oh wait they just stopped including those people as part of the work force because they have given up on trying to find a job. Don't forget the 1 trillion dollars that went missing at the start of obama's 1st term, that amount of money could give every america nover 70 1 million dollars and make them quit their jobs so that younger generations can have them. And you can thank obama for all the 16 year olds who have to compete for jobs with 40 year olds.
And trying to raise the minimum wage was a great idea because we just made the dollar worth more, and shaved the number of availible jobs down even more. Obama was pretty much perfect, I think your friend is right
>Sup Forumsacks actually believe this
don't forget the separate plane he used just to fly his fucking dog out to go on vacation. Just shows how hes really knows how to be frugal
Drugs shouldn't be illegal, so why imprison sales people?
and you believe what? that it was a good thing to pass a law forcing everyone to have health insurance then introducing a miracle insurance called Obama care to get as many people on board as possible only to ass rape them by raising rates a year later. Nobody even fucking wanted it.
It must suck to be ranked below the guy who presided over the onset of the great depression, and the guy who died a month in.
He dropped so many bombs that he averaged one every 20 minutes of his presidency... I'd say that's pretty bad.
this is what trumpers believe
I remember talking to a good gay friend of mine here in Mass. about Trump back in August or September. I'm from Ohio and explained to him that it was actually highly likely Trump would win Ohio, and accordingly the election. I explained the liberal ouroboros to him and how liberals are so quick to turn on their own, because they are not "PC" enough for the zeitgeist. I reflected on a story of a distinguished feminist academic being trounce because he said something not progressive enough for twitter, and how that alienation would harm the DNC.
I also talked about the disenfranchisment of the bernie bros and how the hillary illuminati destroyed him. The point being that liberals turned on their own base. You can't win an election without white people, and you can't shit all over white men and then ask them to vote with you.
After Trump won, he made a facebook post like: "If you made a 'protest' vote against Hillary, just unfriend me right now because you are what is wrong with this country."
These fucking retards will never learn.
- A proud socialist liberal
why exactly shouldn't they be illegal?
They are habit forming
they make people lazy (I've seen it plenty of times)
Even stupid weak drugs like pot still lead to the heavy shit
The sales people you're referring to are not making the United States money
They're funding mexico where most of our drugs are imported from.
exfuckingactly jackson was probably the most racist president we have ever had, and he actually did some real racist shit. but people think trump is the worst the america has ever had. they need to read up on some fucking history books
bu-but he got the Nobel peace prize. Oh wait I guess that shit is rigged too. People are so fucking stupid these days. They honestly believe obama is this real genuine man who works long hours in the white house, and have graying hair from stress when in reality he just stopped wearing make up as much because his appearances are becoming less and less beneficial to his agenda
When you look at him number-wise, he's pretty good. But many of the metrics considered have little to do with the president himself. Gas price, unemployment, the stock market, etc. The president doesn't really control any of that, he's largely a figurehead who gets to shoulder all of the praise and criticism for what the other thousands of pieces in the puzzle do, but it's probably the only way to judge without any political feelings getting involved.
they wouldn't be funding mexico if it were legal. Here's how you know the drug war is a scam. The drug dealers want it to continue because it keeps them in business. The cartels want it to continue because it keeps them in business. The cops want it to continue because it keeps federal money pouring into the coffers, and gives them the right to use BULLSHIT like "Civil Asset Forfeiture" any time they choose. The private prison systems want the drug war to continue because it keeps otherwise innocent and nonviolient people in their cells thereby making them money.
All this is proof that drugs should be legal, if for nothing else than to end the cartels, end the gang bangers money stream and end the prison industrial complex. Anyone who wants to get fucked up should be able to do just what they please... you CANNOT legislate morality, IT DOESN"T WORK!!!!
yea... there's pleanty of reasons to criminalize drugs but you just listed none of them. Pot especially is demostrably less harmful to the self and to society than tobacco or alcohol. most of the rest you wasted your keyboard on are true but again, not a good excuse to ban.
Narcotics are the problems, they create every type of petty crime possible and cost the public dearly in healthcare, which is about the only good reason to ban pot... but then tobacco/alcohol blah blah.
Didn't his administration also fine a Denver sheriffs department for not hiring illegal immigrants onto their force?
number-wise doesn't mean shit when in real life you walk outside, and see more people doing nothing, higher prices, and more budget cuts. honestly you'd think with everyone cutting money where they can we'd be able to at least lower the deficit, but instead one man manages to fucking triple the debt of this whole damn country! wtf is he buying? and how was so much money unaccounted for during his presidency? oh right he fucking stole it, because he doesn;t care if he fits the stereotypical nigger. In fact he'd rather we though of him that way because he wants blacks and whites to hate each other
why the fuck is JK Polk in 19th??
>deeply triggered
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god damn can i please suck your dick you might be the only person that gets it
here's some scientific facts i got from Sup Forums:
>everything bad is obama's fault
>obama is a muslim jew born in uganda and his native name is raytray umbongo osama bin laden
>he's a reptilian
>he stole my bike
>he only became presudant to steal bikes more efficiently
>he posioned our water with cyanide, drinkinga single drop kills you instantly
>hillary doesn't exist, she's only a hologram. the real hillary was a reptilian that died during the egyptian empire
>the pyramids are ufo's
>hillary killed like an entire bazilliongejillion people because they didn't like her
>obama started ww2
>he is turning usa black by not expelling people for being black
>he's making everybody gay by not killing all gays
>he's making everyone women by not killing all women
>he took our guns
>ee dook ur jerbs
>everything can be solved with trump and water filters
this is all scientifically proven
YES! how the fuck do you make something illegal that the main problem people have with it is the morality. its like making masterbation illegal how the fuck you gonna stop people from doing that.
only if you've got tits and vag! lol
We make that point over and over because you fucktard liberals don't understand how it is devastating our country
Under 8 years of Obama democrats suffered a net loss of 1,042 state and federal Democratic posts, including congressional and state legislative seats, governorships and the presidency. His era of corruption led to the leaking of DNC emails which is now causing the crumbling of the Democratic party. Repubs have the house, the senate, and now the presidency due to his politics. Obama did more for the republican party than the last 2 (R) presidents, so yea he is one of the top 5 Republican presidents in my book.
because "two words: predator drones" is so funny while the shitstain is actually droning innocent civilians to get his jollies off.
Fuck this cunt.
>complains about spending $20 extra/MO
>uses internet
weak bait
citation needed
People dropped out of the workforce when Bush was president too dipshit
He should be #3, behind washington and jefferson, tbh, fam.
>facts.
Eh. Trump will probably be better. But I gotta give props to Obama. I didn't agree with a lot of his views and liberals in general but the country is definitely better off than the George W Bush era.
he was a wealthy slaver, and supported by anti-abolitionists who regularly rioted against black, natives, and abolition of slavery.
and the Indian Removal Act of 1830, throwing natives off their home lands so he could use the area for his slave trafficking. do yes, jackson was pretty bad.
>legalizing drugs is going to end cartels
ok buddy, because america's just going to become a big ass drug factory overnight, and cartels will go out of business, and prisons want more people in their already jam packed cells because they get money for it.
I understand that they made weed possession become a slap on the wrist for that reason, but do you honestly think that we can just let people openly shoot up and snort and shit and expect any sort of improvement in this country. OF course not, I've seen it so many times. Druggies can't work, they fuck their lives up with drugs, and law enforcement is never involved.
>people should be allowed to fuck their lives up
Yes because there is no possible way that their lives in anyway influence other people.
Yeah so when pregnant moms want to fuck their shit up with acid that's their choice, and that should be legal just like abortion.
Because no baby deserves the right to a decent life let alone life at all
>Nobody wants health insurance
lol no it isn't
What about FDR? He locked up a shitload of Japanese-American in internment camps. That's literally Hitler behavior, but oh no. Donald Trump wants to send criminal illegal aliens back to their home countries so he's Hitler.
Democrats who come from education and privileged view their base and its purpose VERY differently than democrats who come from poverty and poor education.
Colbert has always been a shill who thinks power and money are only evil if when the people who have it don't feel guilty that they do.
That's a low bar to meet user.
You need to educate yourself:
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I didn't say nobody wants health insurance
I said nobody wants Obama care, and to be forced to have health insurance. Sure if it was free that'd one thing, but it ended up being a scam, and I know quite a few people who got fucked over by it.
but thanks for your intelligent well thought out reply.
and that's why you're retarded
How is that calculated and what data does it draw from? The red flag for me is George W. Bush (not H. W., he was good) appearing anywhere near a top anything. He sucked at even his own agenda.
I'll buy the rest but I'm still waiting on history to "vindicate" George W. like they all say it will and it just shits on him even harder.
>thanks to obama, trump now wields the powers of the NDAA with no restrictions.
automatically makes obama a shit president tbh fam
Well, Buchanan did let the civil war start, and sometimes the worst action is inaction
>implying you're not retarded
Obama didn't do anything particularly liberal while president. He increased the debt tremendously, he waged undeclared and meaningless wars that have precipitated socially disruptive movements of people, he deported more undocumented workers than his Republican predecessors, sent billions of dollars to Israel for the repression of the indigenous population, and he helped the multinationals at the expense of his own countrymen.
His healthcare "reform" was a cynical ploy to make everyone buy health insurance. His executive branch violates more Constitutional rights than any before him but he disguises that, just as Bush Daddy disguised his own, through affability.
The first thing I notice about him, when he ran for his first term, is that he gives good fingers. Watch him as he talks and you'll see he wiggles his fingers almost hypnotically. It is ingratiating. He is the quintessential "stranger" in Ken Nordine's "Flibberty-Jib":
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You need to euthanize yourself asap
you need to stop watching YouTube video's by people who only want to exploit you're attention for their own benefit, and actually go outside and meet real human beings who have struggled with drugs and have had their lives destroyed over them.
Oh wait this is Sup Forums and i'm probably talking to a 14 yo shit who is on this website only to watch sick porn, and argue about how they should be allowed to ruin their life if they want to (even though you'll bitch later about how nobody stopped you when you're life was ruined). I guess that means jokes on me, because their is no use in arguing with someone who over looks real life issues for internet propaganda.
tell me about how your life was made noticeably worse by aca.
Not to mention Obama's war crimes by indiscriminately droning civilians in the Middle East.
>facebook comment section
>posted by retard calling someone a retard because they indirectly called someone else a retard
Aren't you admitting that your opinion was formed without facts?
Obama authorized the extrajudicial killing of an American citizen. I admit it triggers me and I'm conservative.
I don't understand why liberals think it's ok. They'd be screeching over Bush or Trump but Obama gets a free pass?
Actually I'm a 37yo business owner who owns his home and works when he pleases because he's got cash like that. My cousin fucked up his life with drugs, and if you'd take a little time out of your day (rather than dismissing it outright) you'd be able to learn that the BEST way to prevent drug abuse is education. YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE MORALITY. If you could we wouldn't have people ODing all over the place as we do now.
Colorado proves that if you legalize pot you see a massive reduction in ALL other drug use including cigarettes and alcohol... but you don't seem to mind those "legal" drugs do you, you fucking idiot.
tell us how yours was made any better. Because my brother is in deep shit because he can't afford it, and it was obviously a scam.
>here let me create a disease that only I have the cure for
Every time I think about that, I get an overpowering urge to send a nasty tweet to the Nobel Prize committee for their appalling sense of proportion.
>BEST way to prevent drug abuse is education
right because all the education in school already has done so much good. Look a the impact DARE program had... little to none that's right.
This is perfect!
ITT: "Hi I'm your generic Trump supporter so my knowledge of political history and politics in general is absolutely non existent, can you win an argument for me?"
Cucklord.
I'll give you an Obamacare (ACA) success story for you... ME
Now mind you, I think the ACA is a fucking joke, and not everyone can legally fuck the system like I do, but I'm unique. The facts are that most people have seen astronomical rate increases since the ACA went into effect. My rates would have gone up too, if not for a part of the law that requires rate caps in states where there's only ONE provider on the marketplace. It's a fucking joke.
Here's how I win at Obamacare:
I own my own business, a corporation, and all my bills are paid by the corporation (PRE TAX). Therefore I only pay taxes on what I have left over each year, which is generally zilch because I make sure to spend it all. So I don't pay any corporate tax, and I pay VERY little personal income tax.
In my state there is no medicare coverage for people who don't meet the minimum income to qualify for ACA subsidies, so I have to show a minimum of $16K personal income for my household.
Doing this allows me the MAXIMUM Obamacare credit of $550/month, leaving me a lousy $38/month to pay for my wife and myself healthcare coverage. YOU chumps, the tax payers, pickup the tab.
The measly $2K I pay in income taxes on the $16K I show in income is far offset by the $6,600 I make in ACA subsidies... and it's all PERFECTLY legal. It's immoral as shit, but it's legal.
This is why the ACA is a fucking joke, it needs to be replaced... and I say that in full knowledge that replacing it would likely fuck me over bigtime, but it's the right thing to do.
Oh yeah, I'm on foodstamps too because the government doesn't count me as making enough money because of my tax return... I'm such an evil corporation.
The government has a vested interest in maintaining the illegality of recreational drugs. As we learned from Col. Oliver North, this is very lucrative business for them. Consequently the government's War on Drugs is merely lip-service; its educational programs are meant to alienate, not cure. An addicted populace is a docile populace.
I concur with the 37yo businessman, with the understanding that the educational programs need to be really educational.
No, the school systems blow dicks, you have to educate people where they are. In doctors offices, in commercials, magazines, anywhere you can get the message out about what drugs do to you. Research Dr. Carl Hart. He knows more about drugs than you can begin to conceive.
>Psychologists may not get paid from their patients who use Obamacare
>600 million dollars given to banks in order to "invest", banks ended up buying other banks
>Way to high of premiums compared to Romneycare, which Massachusetts has benefited from extremely
>Did not save our economy, Bush did. Look up TARP
>NSA on the entire world compared to Nixon's Watergate on Democrats
>Refused to use the words Islamic terrorists for ISIS; Bush said there was Islamic terrorists but told the public that these people do not represent Islam
I could list everything he did but the killshot in an argument with your friend is the simple fact that a huge portion of people who voted for obama not only in 2008 and also voted for him again in 2012 voted for Trump in 2016
Obamas actions at President directly resulted in President Trump so logically how good can obama have been if the people who voted for him voted for Trump to replace him?
He wont have an answer for you.
who tf gonna pay for that?
Oh right my b, we'll pay for it with the drug money.
Pure genius
Yeah, you're exactly right, we will. Have you seen how much money Colorado is making off weed taxes?!?
I am a trump supporter, and you should stop your uninformed and make us look bad. First off in places where drugs were regulated and decriminalized (Netherlands, btw drug dealers still prosecuted, but addicts got treatment.) drug addiction went down, because they focused on sending people to rehab, proper education of issues, and lowered the rate of drug related HIV by handing out needles. I should be able to use drugs, for the same reason you should be able to own a gun. It is not big governments business what I do. America is already a drug factory. We fund are gangs with money from the distribution of drugs. Which increases the rate of deaths from gun violence, and give liberals a excuse to take away my guns, because two gangbangers are fighting over a street corner. The supply lines used to transport drugs, are also used in human smuggling increasing the amount of illegal aliens. Private prisons used to exist and earn money based off the amount of inmates, but recently became illegal.
so sell drugs to fund programs to fight drug sales is what you're saying?
So either the education program is shit and doesn't work or it does work and runs out of money.
His only real accomplishment as POTUS is Obama Care. This is one of the 2 reasons Trump was elected (immigration the other). The only citizens who like it are unemployed and pre existing condition who get free care we all pay for, and illegals Oh he lied about that didn't he! The Democratic pledge FREE SHIT FOR ALL, buying your votes...
Hey tryhardfag go back to school, your reading comprehension is fugged.
Schools dont teach shit about drugs tbh. It was extremely vague and basically came down to "every drug will ruin your life." its retarded.
>bill clinton rated that high
fuck this biased picture
The President is sworn to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States. Obama has stated of several occasions that he is, and I use this next word as a direct quite, constrained by the Constitution. He has also complained that he cannot make a political arrest to quell the media while blaming a YouTube video on the Benghazi attack, the "unfortunately" we have this 'thing' called the First Amendment.
Obama has done more to gripe about how the Constitution will not let him do whatever he wants to do.
That is all a direct violation of his oath of office. That in itself delegitimizes his presidency.
pulling the hitler card makes you look retarded, especially when you start comparing what FDR did to what hitler did. it automatically invalidates any argument you try to make. so maybe learn to ignore anyone who starts throwing around hitler comparisons.
(you)
Obama refuses to even use the term "radical islam."
He gave military fighter jets to the Egyptians.
His administration and $hillary's state dept. armed, funded, and trained ISIS.
He has droned more children than all other Nobel Peace Prize winners combined.
JFK put a man on the moon, he put a man in the ladies' room.
When pulse night club was shot up, he used it to stump for gun control rather than acknowledge the trend of Muslims launching terror attacks on US soil.
He claims to care about gays, but doesn't.
He could've framed the Miami gay bar shooting a lot differently, but he wouldn't throw Islam under the bus for a bunch of gay people.
He's done more to divide the nation than Lincoln could have ever dreamed of.
Obamacare was a ruse to foist socialist medicine on the US public and expand the already bloated, unsustainable welfare state.
He told illegal aliens not to worry about being arrested if they tried to vote.
His classy "we won, you lost, deal with it" speech from 2012. (Boy, if Trump were a cunt like that, the liberals would be screeching even louder.)
I could go on, but you can use the fact he added almost $10T more to the national debt.
He promised that people wouldn't have to give up their privacy, then he expanded the surveillance state.
He's a fucking liar and easily in the bottom 10 presidents in all of US history.
He is a war criminal whose actions reflect the policies of George W. Bush.
In fact, he extended the patriot act, and expanded military action in foreign nations.
Had Gadaffi killed bc "muh dollar."
Fuck that guy.
Him, Cowboy Retard (W.), $hillary, and everyone in on their whole racket (Lynch, Cheney, Rice, et al) should be taken outside and shot in the fucking head.
But we don't execute traitors anymore, we just let them run for office after scolding them for "extreme carelessness."
/rant
he's Catholic, what do you expect?
He was involved in more and longer wars than any President in U.S. history. You should watch the thing about him on the History channel, called "in his own words" or something like that. For a liberal he ordered the deaths of and killed more terrorists than any President in U.S. history. I mean don't get me wrong, I don't really like him all that much, but he's done some shit.
you know the republicans were stonewalling him, they were blocking bills just to make him look unsuccessful, and then when he got shit done anyway they said he did it improperly
fuck off libtard.
bombing hospitals and schools with drones
=/=
"killing terrorists"
you know less than shit. kill yourself.
hah. he had BOTH houses for years.
you faggots can't own responsibility for anything.
always shift the blame to republicans.
pathetic and intellectually impotent.
die in a fire, loser.
depends what you mean by heavy shit
a lot of stoners are getting into pills these days, which is a very broad category
in my mind it's the dumbest thing to get into in some ways but taking some adderall now and then probably won't hurt you... probably
that was the Nobel people awarding America for getting past racism, which is still grossly oversimplified, but yeah
1. this is Sup Forums
2. asking Sup Forums for citations is like asking OP to stop sucking cock, they can't do the impossible
The problem with this chart is total population in America
Thank you for posting this.
If I were in your position that's what I'd do. Take advantage of it while I could but inform other people how fucked up it is.