8000 years of civilization in Westeros

>8000 years of civilization in Westeros
>No technological advancement.

Why? I'd at least expect guns by now.

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there are no asians hence no advancement

no filipinos, no strongest race to make humanity great

Wow, you literally made the exact comment I was about to make. Word for fucking word lol.

>asians not being cucked by the white man
>comon

What if Asians are to the West and will invade later like Europe did to the Americas?

Humans in the real world have had more than 8000 years to advance, you know. Also, magic.

It took us less than 2000 years to get from the Romans to flight and gunpowder.

>human civilizations didn't exist before the Romans

American education strikes again.

No Yakub. The black super-scientist who was the real life Prometheus.

Westeros also has irregular seasons.
It's a fucking fantasy series.

are you braindead? thats not what he was saying

the magic explanation for stagnant fantasy worlds is usually bad and here it's straight up retarded. yes, magic being available to .01% of the population in a usually limited and unpredictable fashion is going to keep the printing press from being invented, okay.

What did you expect from snowniggers?

>no asian
there are asians in game of thrones they are called the Yi Ti

>white people

I think you know, f a m.

Inventions beget inventions, technology is exponential

Have you seen the people in charge of Westeros?
They are all idiots. Now imagine how dumb the common man must be.

Because technology doesn't work that way.

There's no such thing as exponential progress.

The long winter seasons hold progression back.

Explain our civilization then.

Why do you have to relate real world to a fucking fantasy story? Fuck off.

Yes, he is. The OP asked why there have been no technological advancements in 8000 years of a civilization in Westeros, when the real world civilization has been around for 8000-9000 years itself, and all the real advancements were made in the last few centuries.

Wow, we should fuck.

>when the real world civilization has been around for 8000-9000 years itself.

Our civilization is over 20,000 years old you stupid cunt.

12000 at the least if you count the sumerians and babylonians.

No Ottomans therefore no gunpowder based siege weapons to conquer castles easily.

The African kingdoms didn't exist, therefore mansa musa doesn't exist so no advancement

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MedievalStasis

>Medieval Stasis is a situation in which, as far as the technological, cultural, and sociopolitical level are concerned, thousands of years pass as if they were minutes.

The best logical explanation for the Medieval Stasis in Westeros is the absurd seasons and, during the Long Night, the Others.

no it isn't

That would take quite a while.thibgs jist of it is "people made things to solve problems they had, often resulting in some new things that creates new problems to be solved"

Like how petroleum was discovered by a guy looking for a better way to tar ships because the insurance companies would only insure boats with pitched hulls at the time, and Britain had just lost its biggest source of tar products, the American colonies.

They have different problems in westeros. The dragons in the history of the world are also a big thing, since hey solve certain problems without having to invent things

csmonitor.com/Science/2012/0730/Start-date-for-human-civilization-moved-back-20-000-years-or-so

Stupid cunt.

Honestly as there been any technological advancement in 12,000 years? There's a chance that Dawn is that old and it's the best crafted sword. Not much seems to change in Westeros.

earliest written Sumerian records are from c.3100 BC in the Jemdet Nasr period. That's not 12000 years ago bro

Fantasy authors don't really have any sense of scale.

>A new analysis of artifacts from a cave in South Africa reveals that the residents were carving bone tools, using pigments, making beads and even using poison 44,000 years ago.
>bone tools
>pigments
>beads
>poison
>all of that being enough to constitute a society
gtfo nigger

>Civilization.

Stupid cunt.

Its because they didnt found black powder yet

Also, there is a video on youtube explaining the reasons of this slow development

fugg

>8000 years of civilization in Westeros

BRAVO GRRM!

>in Westeros

whatever, you know what i meant you autist.
>trying to use an obviously clickbaity title to advance some shit argument

Technology in Westeros advances at a similar speed a the realworld medieval one. It's just skewed perception that creates the illusion of stagnant technology. Barely anybody in Westeros has the scientific background to assess the advances correctly. They project their contemporary surroundings backwards, lacking history classes, museums or archaeology.

It happened similar in the real world. Church paintings of the renaissance depict roman legionnaires crucifying Jesus as landsknechts of the 16th century, King David is a knight in chainmail, Saint Michael is dressed in gothic plate. The same way Symon Star-Eyes is perceived to be a knight of the Kingsguard four millennia (according to perceived history) before there were any knights and eigt millennia before Aegon founded the KG. Skewed perception.

The more scientifically interested doubt it though. Samwell Tarly, the Reader, Maester Aemon, Maester Luwin, the novices in the prologue of Feast, they all point out the unreliable and plain wrong histories. Similar, Jaime points out advances in fortress construction, Cerseis new ships indicate advances in shipbuilding. There are some other hints at advancement, but technological development isn't in the spotlight of the series.

>Still believes that dark age was a total blank gap of technological advancement

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Well they have technology enough to promote a industrial revolution, but the maesters of citadel are filthy cunts and hide the knowledge from other people

They do sort of live in a dark ages, where technology doesn't seem to advance as much. Remember in Essos there was the Ghiscari and Valyrian Empires that we can assume were somewhat technologically advanced. Then, they fell, and it was sort of like the fall of the Roman Empire wherein Europe fell in dark age that would last near a thousand years. Add the extremely long seasons, and it's logical there might be some stasis.

And whose to say they haven't advanced? Maybe Westeros didn't have crossbows 200 years age, there could architectural advancements we're just not aware of because it doesn't come up.

12,000 years before Aegon lands: bronze working in Essos. Evidence: First Men carried bronze shields. I also seem to recall Yohn the Bronze is so named because he owns some First Men armour, which is bronze.

The First Men therefore presumably came from a precursor civilization to the Ghiscari Empire, which was "thousands of years old" when Valyria was still young, pre-dragons. Valyria overwhelmed Ghis 5,000 years ago. That means Essos has had bronze-working for (at least) 12,000 years - preceding the Ghiscari Empire, almost certainly.

But a big question is: when was Valyrian steel developed?

There does not appear - I'll welcome any corrections - to be any single VS blade or artifact in the series older than 500 years. We're nearly 300 years from the Doom in the books, which means that none of the swords thus far mentioned were forged more than 200 years prior to the Doom. (!) it's entirely possible that VS was still a fairly new technology at the time of the Doom.

So how old is steel?

In our world, steel-working is about 4,000 years old (so ~2000BC). However, Wootz steel (Damascus steel) first appeared in India, around 400BC.

But something important has to be taken into account here. In our world, the move from bronze to iron occurred, theoretically, because of some sort of tin shortage - perhaps caused by migrations of populations in the 11th and 12th centuries BC. The reason tin is important is because bronze is actually harder than iron; this is why Roman officers had bronze swords, but foot-soldiers had iron.

Perhaps the fall of Ghis lead to a shortage of tin. This shortage of tin lead to a shift from bronze weapons to the forging of iron, instead, rather substantially later than in our world.

Thus, the Wootz-steel equivalent, Valyrian steel, appears later - only a few centuries prior to the modern day in Westeros.
Technology therefore is not stagnating. It's just taking a different path, and may further have been seriously hampered by the Doom.

Theres a reason user.
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user, you know human civilisation in the real world is over 10,000 years old? Planetos civilisation is about 700 years behind the real world, so there's nothing wrong with it.

City dwellers started in 5000bc in Mesopotamia

Homo sapiens have been around for 20, 000 years

?

It's not a "total blank gap of technological advancement" but the dark age certainly slowed western progress down to a near-halt.

The dark ages were actually more of a social and cultural stasis rather than a technological one.

>>Homo sapiens have been around for 20, 000 years

>According to genetic and fossil evidence, archaic Homo sapiens evolved to anatomically modern humans solely in Africa, between 200,000 and 100,000 years ago

We're a tad older than that.

Technology never stopped progressing in the "dark ages", wtf are you talking about? Do you not know about engineering like castles and water wheels and windmills? or all the cams and gears and cogs that had to be invented? Or how automated looms using water power and cams came to completely revolutionize the textiles industry and lead to the petrochemical industry through the development of natural and artificial dyes?

Fucking kids, calling yourself an atheist doesn't make you smart.

>No technological advancement.

Every 10 or 20 years they have a cataclysmic winter that kills a fuckton of people. It also last as long as the interval between them. And that's if the goddamn ice zombies don't get them. Now you might think those conditions would be perfect for scientific advancement. Shut in most of the day, with nothing to do but think, experiment and come up with shit. But you're cold. You're starving because the food stores have run out. Your old and infirm are dying and so are your newborns. You're so busy just trying to survive. You don't have time to fuck around and maybe come up with something.

The real question is why the rest of the world doesn't advance. They don't have any excuse. But then you remember places like Valyria. They seemed to be technologically advanced. Then boom, gone in one night. Its almost like unseen forces WANT the world left medieval and easily swayed.

I know something is 20, 000 years old maybe iys Hunter gathers fuck if I know

origin is about 200,000 years ago for us in particular, agricultural activity began about 20,000 years ago, with the first cities about 10,000 years ago.

>agricultural activity began about 20,000 years ago, with the first cities about 10,000 years ago.
fair enough

Wait, what? The long seasons aren't shared in the rest of the world? How in the fuck could that possibly work?

This, I thought it was pretty obvious that the maesters were the ones keeping technology moving at their own pace

>Then boom, gone in one night. Its almost like unseen forces WANT the world left medieval and easily swayed.

You're scaring me, user.

>Humans in the real world have had more than 8000 years to advance

Around 6000 years more or less
The age of the earth can be estimated by taking the first five days of creation (from earth’s creation to Adam), then following the genealogies from Adam to Abraham in Genesis 5 and 11, then adding in the time from Abraham to today.

Adam was created on day 6, so there were five days before him. If we add up the dates from Adam to Abraham, we get about 2,000 years, using the Masoretic Hebrew text of Genesis 5 and 11.3 Whether Christian or secular, most scholars would agree that Abraham lived about 2,000 B.C. (4,000 years ago).
So a simple calculation is:
5 days
+ ~2,000 years
+ ~4,000 years
~6,000 years

maesters are lying about history.

Yeah the Maesters are causing the woes of Westeros.
>Summerhall
>Oy vey that Targaryan is trying to hatch dragons to stop our plots
>Oy gevalt, such anti-maestism
>Summerhall magically burns down
>I wonder who be behind this

Where'd that webm come from?

Bullshit. The masters are learned scholars and the Knights of the Mind.

So what was the red comet?

I wonder who's behind this post

Westeros is inside a Dyson sphere that is failing. The red comet was an errant piece of machinery

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Give me any proof of some conspiracy

>yfw that huge library Sam is at is literally filled with birth and death records and the rest is just fanfiction about the dead they write all day

Is it possible GoT is actually post apocalyptic?

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Fuck no

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His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled.
A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour.
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Dragons should be killed. Magic is dangerous and unnecessary. I don't believe in a master conspiracy but I would support it because the maesters have been here great allies.

and it took a hundred thousand years to get from hitting rocks together to the Romans

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EN TARO TASSADAR

Alien help us

>Rome 200 BC
>Fucking amazing roads that STILL haven't cracked to this day

>USA 2016 AD
>Faggot shitty roads that crack in under 10 years

Nice "technology", Americucks.

Basically this.
The Maesters have stunted Westeros for a long fucking time, evidenced by them exiling Qyburn for daring to step out of line and actually try to advance medicine and technology.

shut the hell up Augustus, we get it you built a road now kindly fuck off

it's the magic
when you have magic thinking you don't need science
next question?

Asians have only ever been able to copy things given to them by the west.

"White people" is synonymous with technological advancement

How many semi-trucks were they running on a daily basis?

>Rome
>had people walking on their roads and some horses/carriages
>USA
>fucking endless caravans of semis going 70 miles an hour all day every day + cars
>roads still take like 30 years to really get fucked up

The Chinese were writing on paper and sipping fine wines while whites were barely able to wipe their ass right.

the red comet is obviously a volcryn

But who made the Bomb, microdick?

That's why they destroyed the brits in the Opium Wars right?

>invents gunpowder
>1,000 years later still doesn't have cannons

On another note has anyone seen this guy in those motel commercials? Kek

The west. Chinklers were too busy with tradition and honor to think of innovation.
The Chinese only used fireworks as entertainment and distractions.
The west made cannons.

chinese used bombs during mongol conquests you dummy

Westeros seasons are because of Magic. Some sort of calamity happened around the time the wall was put up (also with magic).

Martin has never gone into detail about it, but he did say the seasons were caused by magic, and that by book 7 he'd explain it.

maesters

And yet the whites pretty much managed to take over the world.

geography and culture is why, read a book