Shutter Island thread

Talk about Shutter Island

So what does it mean if the top fell over?

it's a movie

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The movie would be a shitter if not for that final line.

easily martin's shittiest movie

reminder that leo was sane and they were tricking him the entire time
>the lighthouse at the beginning and end aren't the same
>they lie about his partner's disappearance for no conceivable reason if he's insane
>he has to use violent force to get inside the lighthouse at the end
there's loads more but i forgot them since i haven't seen this film in years
nope, that's Hugo
Shutter Island's his most underrated film

hugo is a kids movie so i don't count it. But yeah Shutter Island sucks balls, would of been better if they had just made it a thriller instead some M Night. level bullshit

further supporting this (shamelessly stolen from another forum)(also bearing in mind he's a ww2 veteran)
>If it were really a role play, then the staff wouldn't have lied to and obstructed Teddy in the myriad of ways that they do:
>(1) During the initial search for Rachel, the guard tells Teddy that the lighthouse is empty, that it's already been searched, and that it is a "sewage treatment" plant. To being with, the lighthouse we initially see isn't the same lighthouse we see for the rest of the film (the reason why Teddy doesn't find any evidence of lobotomies in the lighthouse is because it's not the lighthouse where the lobotomies are conducted!). In any event, why doesn't he find the sewage treatment equipment at the lighthouse when he gest inside at the end of the film? The guard lied. What reason would the guard have to lie to Teddy if they weren't trying to conceal anything?
>(2) Scorsese purposely designed the gateway entrance of Shutter Island to look like Auschwitz. This is symbolic, and for a reason that is relevant to the plot and meaning of the film (more later).
>(3) When the guards request Teddy's gun, here again we have a SYMBOLIC act that needs to be situated within its proper HISTORICAL context (recall what the Germans did to the Jews prior to the Holocaust). Also, note that Chuck's gun is handed over in a hulster; Teddy's is not (this matters for the ending).
>(4) Teddy is never allowed to see the Island's files. Again, if this is truly a role play, and Teddy is given "free run of the island" as Cawley says he is, why can't he see the files?
>(5) The psychiatrist tries to give Teddy a sedative in the hallway. Again, why try to stop the role play with a sedative? This doesn't fit with the notion that Teddy is being given free reign over the island.
>(6) Chuck disappears when Teddy is talking to George (this is relevant to the end.)
g" just as the German populance did during WWII.)
cont

it was all a forced meme.

Watching it now

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Very underrated Scorsese, just like most of his 00's work, but this is the most underrated of that bunch I think
Leo actually did good acting in this. Atmosphere is top notch. Supporting cast is top notch. It's actually bone chilling in its storytelling and doesn't rely on gimmicks for horror. I like it a lot

But it's based on a book, and the screenwriter adapted it into a screenplay and Marty directed the movie.

You are just don't know anything.

If you don't love Hugo you don't love cinema; end of story

Its important to watch the film again to see proof that the lighthouse isn't the same
>(7) Cawley's second-hand man is introduced in a red chair, learing over a devilish fire, with his back turned (this is a metaphor for the fact that the psychiatrist is an evil, expatriated Nazi psychiatrist).
(8) In line with (7), Teddy recognizes the accent as German. In other words, Teddy instinctively outs the psychiatrist as an expatriated Nazi. The fact that Teddy is able to do so points to the fact that Teddy is more than just a mere deluded mental patient.
(9) Cawley's living quarters are a metaphor for the "devil's den." This is why Teddy and Chuck are INVITED over. Get it? It's a metaphor folks.
10 - ommited cause it was stupid
(11) Use of cigarettes and "aspirin" are obviously intended to suggest that Teddy is being drugged.
(12) In the scene with his “kids,” Teddy only displays an emotional connection for his “daughter,” not the sons. This is because his "daughter" is actually a victim from a concentration camp. The two boys aren't even his sons; he didn't have sons! And the girl is not his daughter. He's being brainwashed into confabulating the idea that a girl he saw at the concentration camp is his daughter (more support for this in a moment).
(13) Scorsese directly references Schindler's List by having the girl wear red shoes. This is symbolic. She is the only one of the kids that is actually rooted in the reality of Teddy's past. Also, this highlights the importance of the Holocaust subtext, and also unifies the interpretation that Shutter Island is actually run by expatriated Nazis.

>You are just don't know anything.

what the fuck?

>(14) The warden is clearly a sadist. Why would Cawley, if truly a benign psychatrist, surround himself with a sadist like the warden and obvious former Nazi like Dr. Naehring? Again, the very grounds of Shutter Island harken back to a death camp. In addition, the staff all represent the archetypes of a concentration camp staff (we have the clinical psychiatrists like Mengele, the guards who are like sadist SS guards, and an ambivalent, obedient set of ordilies who "go along to get along" just as the German populance did during WWII.)

>Now, for the final scenes:
>(1) The gun that they tell Teddy is his is actually Chuck's (remember the holster?) Why lie and tell Teddy it is his gun when it's Chuck? Answer: they're further trying to destabilze his mind.
>(2) The document that they produce showing that he is Andrew could easily have been forged. The reason they know all the details about what Teddy thinks is going on is because TEDDY ALREADY TOLD CHUCK during the storm. This also explains Chuck's mysterious diappearnce when Teddy's talking to George; Chuck is reporting back to Cawley.
>(3)There is no sewage treatment plant at the lighthouse. The guard was lying. Why lie if there's nothing going on? Answer: there is, but it's happening at the OTHER lighthouse (the one that Teddy sees the first time, but never revisits).
>Also, if it's a role play, why does Cawley tell Teddy he doesn't have a partner after Teddy refuses a cigartte in the ward? Cawley is obiously breaking character early, and he does this because he is miffed that Teddy is succumbing to the experiment in the way that the staff has hoped.

That's cool, you don't even mention the wife delusions at all. Or the line "why are you all wet, baby?". Those simple signs point to Teddy being a patient.

Even the subtle shake of his head by Teddy at the end and the look of disappointment by Kingsly. Teddy remembers what he did to his wife, and what she did to his kids, he wants to forget, he wants to be lobotomized you dope.

It sucks.

I typed "You are just a fucking moron" but didn't want to be mean, and changed it. Meant to say "You just don't know anything". TEEHEE MY BAD!

the last third was decent
the first 2 thirds were shit as fuck though

getting there, jesus (actually it doesn't talk about the 'why are you all wet baby' but this could be explained as brainwashing)
>But what about the note you say? Well, the note PROVES Teddy is sane. It's simple math. If Teddy is Andrew, then the guy with the scar across his face (Andrew) and Rachel are fake. That means that there are 65 patients, not 66 on the island. But Cawley insists that there are 66 patients. Thus, for the note to make sense, there must be 66 patients on the island. But if Teddy is Andrew there are only 65 in which case the note makes no sense. The answer is that Andrew and Rachel do exist, and the 67th patient is Teddy qua Teddy. Teddy becomes the 67th patient the second he smokes the laced cigarette on the boat. They try to induce insanity to turn Teddy into a "Ghost." This serves two purposes: first, it eliminates the possibility of Teddy exposing Shutter Island as a modern day Auschwitz, and it also enables them to experiment on a perfect subject (someone who is highly intelligent with a set of skills that would make him the perfect weapon). This is why they have him lobotomized at the end of the movie. The psychological experiment fails and they no longer have any use for Teddy, so they have him lobotomized. Who makes this decision? The psychiatrists. Just like how the psychiatrists at the concentration campes decided who would be experimented on, who would be put to labor, and who would be murdered. Once the people on Shutter Island no longer have the need to experiment on Teddy, they dispatch him. Again, the literal plot here is metaphorical for what happened at the death camps.

If anyone wants to analyse this, I can't remember the exact numbers he's talking about and feel like this might be false evidence

>When Teddy talks about the monster and the hero, he's not talking about himself. He's telling Chuck that Chuck and the others on the island are monsters. This is why he has a brief look of disdain on his face as he stands up. Then, in a moment of unscripted emotion, Chuck calls Teddy "Teddy." He has no reason to call him Teddy if he truly isn't Teddy. If there even ever had been a role play, it was already over. There never was a role play. The explanation of role play is their attempt to induce insanity in Teddy. This is also why the try to tell him that his gun is a toy when the gun is actually Chuck's? They're tyring to make him question the most basic things about reality, knowing that, by doing so, they might get him so destabalized that their mind control experiment will work. When it fails, they're forced to get rid of him a la a prisoner at Auschwitz or Dachau. This isn't suprising, of course, since Shutter Island is staffed by expatriated Nazis. Teddy, from his war experience, new this. And that's why they ultimately lured him to the island to conduct a psychological experiment on him, and then had him murdered when it failed.

Okay, I've found a better breakdown

>REASONS TO THINK TEDDY'S SANE
>1. When Teddy is on the boat with his partner Chuck, at the beginning of the film, he finds that he has misplaced his cigarettes. Chuck hands him one. Could these cigarettes contain psychotropic drugs designed to slowly turn Teddy insane? Chuck doesn’t seem to really inhale.

>2. Would a mental institution really let its most dangerous patient walk around the island with free reign, accompanied only by a psychiatrist? Especially a patient with combat training? That seems pretty dangerous.

>3. During Teddy’s first dream, we see his wife surrounded by fire and ash. We then see that Leondardo’s hands are wet. This could symbolize the fact that reality is intruding, and that his wife really died at the lake–or it could just be because water was dripping from the roof onto his hands in real life.

>4. Teddy tells his “partner,” Chuck, the story about Laeddis and his wife. Could Chuck and the doctors on the island then use this knowledge of Leonardo’s past against him, convincing him he is insane? All the dialogue in the final scene between Teddy and his wife was spoken to him by the doctors at some point in the film. The power of suggestion? As the Rachel he meets in the cave says, “they’re going to point to some event in your past as the reason you lost your sanity.”

>5. The gun Teddy hands in at the start of the movie is in a black holster. The fake gun at the end of the movie is in a brown holster. Is it the same gun, or is it Chuck’s gun (which was in a brown holster)?

>6. Although Dr. Cawley says that he believes in treating patients with respect and compassion, he keeps them chained in prison-like cells in Building C, with no clothes. This seems out of keeping with his philosophy, and suggests something sinister is going on.

cont

>7. The island is staffed by demented guards, one of whom wants to rip out Teddy’s eyes with his teeth (1:34:34). Something sinister might be going on there.

>8. Why did the woman write RUN to Teddy if she knew that he was part of a role-playing experiment designed to cure him? Wouldn’t she want him to be cured? She waited to write it until Teddy’s partner was away, suggesting she didn’t want him to see it.

>9. The lighthouse he enters at the end of the film may not be the same lighthouse he sees near the beginning of the movie (16:31). One has a long fence near it, the other does not.

>10. After Teddy beats up an escaped patient, the leave him alone in Building C. Would they really leave the most dangerous patient on the island completely alone in a building full of escaped patients, who are also highly dangerous, especially after what just happened?

>11. Teddy has a big hallucination about Rachel Solondo about halfway through the movie, where he converses with her for some time. If his hallucinations are really so bad at this point in the movie, how does he manage to make it through the rest of the film without losing it completely? If his hallucinations got worse because of his withdrawl from his medication, surely he would never have been able to make it to the lighthouse. If Rachel was real, on the other hand, it explains how Teddy was able to function for the rest of the film.

>12. At the end Teddy says “is it better to live a monster or die a good man?” This could be a jab at the doctors on the island, who may have ‘won’ in the sense that they are living on, but have lost in the sense that at least Teddy, who is going to his death, lived a good and upright life.

Also, the lighthouse thing isn't mentioned here but it's the most compelling evidence along with the way they lie to him after his partner goes missing

Hollywood propaganda to make people think gaslighting doesn't exist, and that it is instead mental illness