Red pill me on Saudi waifus

Red pill me on Saudi waifus.

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They should be freed from Pisslam and know that their body is not shameful. I saw fucking ninjas in Sarajevo and I felt ugh.

I've heard they see so few boys growing up that there's a lot of scissoring going on in unisex highschools. They even put up signs and messages to discourage homosexuality in the toilets lel

most of them hate wearing niqab
half of them are closeted lesbians
they take off hijab and niqab and all once they leave saudi arabia (but they usually go to neighboring countries) and even drive
they must get married, not getting married before their 30s is a stigma
their fate is in the hands of their parents they are the ones who choose their life partner

all the schools in Saudi Arabia are sex segregated except for international ones and even those are rare to have mixed classes

Once you get married, are they easy to control?

Separating girls and boys in schools is the most retarded decision a country can make.

Depends. I don't know the Saudi judiciary system much, this applies to most mena/muslim countries/cultures. If you become friends with your wife's family (and she with yours), it will become harder and harder for her to disobey you... but the same happens to you. If she's not happy/satisfied your family (your mom, sisters, etc) will know and pressure you to change it; same for her family (generally her brothers and father). It's a weird dynamic but it ensures more stability at the cost of individual freedom

What a qt

Also this is why choosing a wife depending her relatives is one the main strategies over there. In traditionalist cultures a marriage isn't a union between two individuals, but between two families.

Interesting. It seems like the entire dynamic of marriage focuses on the entire families, instead of just the two people actually getting married. Complete opposite in how we do it in the west.

Maybe it leads to more successful marriages, but I feel like it also can lead to more people being in unhappy marriages. It must be great to have a religious/conservative wife that still believes in the 'old' balance of a male/female relationship.


Yeah, MENA girls at qts.

Oops, I said pretty much the same thing above, but I'll leave it. xd

I'm not sure if this is still followed, but apparently to Islamically get married they need walis (guardians) present when meeting and the two families are usually present when the couple meet to discuss marriage. It sounds nice in theory, but I'm not sure how much it's actually followed.

I had a Saudi gf when I was studying in London but she had to keep everything secret because her family couldn't know she was having sex. One day she went to visit home and just never came back. I still wonder what happened to her. I still have some photos of her from back then.

dad checked her hymen

middle eastern guy here. AMA

>Maybe it leads to more successful marriages
No.

Spouses in MENA go through shit that would give Westerners nightmares, but they persist and endure. Parents staying together is good because it provides stability to the kids, and lessens their likelihood to fall into crime and delinquency. This is statistically proven, Stephen Molymeme mentions it a lot.
So if you consider that the main purpose of a marriage is to educate kids (traditional view), then yeah the traditional method is more successful. But if you only see in marriage the opportunity to profit and draw pleasure (liberal view), then the liberal way is more successful. It all depends on what you want.

For the islamic marriage, a girl needs the authorization of her dad (who's legally and financially responsible for her) to be transferred into her future husband's authority; the father must validate that her future husband is suitable for her and engages his own responsibility. If anything should happen, the wife can leave her husband and return to her father, so that he may attempt to fix the issue. If say the husband doesn't keep a promise or beats her or whatever, then it's her wali(in most cases, her dad)'s job to confront the husband and try to find a solution.
Traditionally (happens even today), since a girl leaves the authority and responsibility of her father her fate lays between her husband's hands; the wali thing tries to correct this. I'd say half people don't really care about it. Religious and traditional people do, liberals don't follow it.

What are you doing in the US ? How do you like it ? Wanna live here ?
Why do Saudis and Emiratis become such disgusting degenerates once they go abroad ?

Because suddenly they're away from the religious police and rules. Suddenly, they're free to do all that shit, go crazy for a few years. Then, they go back to arabia and become "clean" again because there's no other choice there.

>What are you doing in the US?
I was born here
>How do you like it?
I don't like the government but I live in california so fortunately I don't have to deal with right wing white people.
>Wanna live here ?
I already do
>Why do Saudis and Emiratis become such disgusting degenerates once they go abroad ?
I think the same can be said for anyone from a religious muslim background.
Iranians and Lebanese have a terrible stereotype for it due to their ultra secular diaspora, but it really applies to all people who come from religious muslim families or countries and once they escape it they just go wild.

Forgot to add: in practice, most walis overlook the wife's interests and only think about themselves. Say you've got a home, a car and a job; you're almost certain the wali (from whom you ask the girl's hand) will make a strong case in your favour if he thinks he can somehow benefit from your union (asking you favours, advice, etc). If he's the kind that doesn't care about money and social status, say he only cares about religion, he'll be more likely to accept someone who prays everyday at the mosque, know a lot of Quran, etc. regardless of whether or not the guy would make a good husband. So like I said, it depends a lot on the girl's family.

The Amish don't do this, Turks don't do this, Nips don't do this, Syrians didn't do this.
I'm pretty sure this has something to do with the Arabs themselves

>Turks don't do this
Turkey has seperation of church and state... For now
>Nips
Admittedly more cultural, but Nippon is an exception for many things.
>Syrians didn't do this.
Again, not a strong religious police due to their multi-religious society.
>Amish don't do this
Amish are "free to leave" without having to fear an honour killing. If Miryam flees from saudi-arabia to get drunk, her family will chase her, kidnap her back, and then stone her with the power of the law.

Are you Muslim or originally from a Muslim country?

>Spouses in MENA go through shit that would give Westerners nightmares
Reminds me of a funny story with a girl I know from Iraq. She has two kids and immigrated here on refugee status after her husband was killed. When we talked about her past and she told me this I said that I'm sorry to hear that and she mentioned that she's happy it happened and that he treated her like crap. kek

I heard the nikah/wali thing is usually disregarded (mostly I hear this from North Africans). It sounds like a system I'd like to followed, but our Christian culture doesn't have something like that.

Are you that Iranian?

What do you think about westerners (specifically Europeans or Americans of European descent)?

>Why do Saudis and Emiratis become such disgusting degenerates once they go abroad ?

Sexual repression. I know some girls from my home country (pretty religious) that moved and started being degenerates. It seems to be a small minority, though.

Will you do the wali thing yourself if you get married (I'm assuming you're Muslim)?

>Are you that Iranian?
If you mean the namefag from /mena/ yes that is me.
>What do you think about westerners (specifically Europeans or Americans of European descent)?
Some are good, some are bad. It really depends on the individual desu. I've met some good and kind hearted white people, but the rednecks. trumptards, or Sup Forums tier ones I really do not like.

Once again Iranians in Canada don't do this for example, same with Pakis in the UK and Chechens in France.
>Cali
Lucky fucker, the weather must be GOAT
>right wing white people
Why do you hate them though ? Libshits are the ones spreading chaos in MENA.

How often do you visit the familia back home ?

Practicing muslim from Algeria, lived my first decade there before coming to France. I wouldn't want to tell you things I didn't witness myself, I hate people who value their own fantasies as much as the truth.
My parents' marriage was such a mess I'm legitimately afraid to repeat the same mistakes with my wife/kids. I know I would only marry a devout girl, and yeah I would follow the wali thing because I genuinely think it's a good system (and mainly to obey God lel). I'm actually so afraid of being unjust to my hypothetical future wife I don't think I'll marry someone who wasn't desperate, and only after making sure I'd get my shit slapped if I were to displease her.
I probably won't bother though, I'm too much trouble.

>Iraqi girl
She's far from being an isolated case unfortunately, so many walis neglect their duty it's a shame. If a girl is lucky enough to have a good, caring wali or has a close relationship with her brothers/cousins, this doesn't happen to her.

A lot of North Africans reject tradition and religion since the 80s, and as a reaction others become more zealous and radical. I'd say it's 50/50 in NA

>our Christian culture doesn't have something like that.
It had, tradition used to be very strong in Europe under the Catholic church. Married women covered their hair, listened to their fathers, obeyed their husbands (who, in return, had duties too).
Islam didn't invent this; you couldn't distinguish between a Muslim and a Christian based only on their behaviour in MENA countries.

>Married women covered their hair, listened to their fathers, obeyed their husbands (who, in return, had duties too).
I'd like to add that this all applies to (ultra)orthodox jews too, and at least in some regards is still the same in very conservative regions.

For example, the dutch conservative (mostly reformed or protestant), are well-known for wearing oldfashioned clothes, which for women often involves some for of headwear (though not always covering all hair), and more old-fashioned/strict norms.

>Once again Iranians in Canada don't do this for example, same with Pakis in the UK and Chechens in France.
I've only been to Canada once when I was very young. I don't remember it.
But yes I was raised in Orange County and currently go to school in Los Angeles so as you can imagine the majority of the Iranian diaspora I grew up with and see are the worst of the worst. I'm glad to know there are more decent ones in Canada.
>Lucky fucker, the weather must be GOAT
Its ok but you will get tired of it after a while. I want to live in Colorado or somewhere where it snows. I really love snow.
>Why do you hate them though ? Libshits are the ones spreading chaos in MENA.
The centrists of the democrats and all of the right are equally responsible for the chaos.
For example Sup Forums will claim to be anti war but constantly shill overthrowing the Iranian government, shill for Israelis killing Palestinians, and shill for Assad for no reason other than they believe he is "secular". If Assad was a religious leader and the FSA were secularists they would be screeching for his head.
I really like socialists though. They seem like the only good white people in my experience who are tolerant.
I'm an independent though because at the end of the day both parties are shit. That's why I voted green party.
>How often do you visit the familia back home ?
Not so much since my grandparents passed away and I'm in college now so I don't really have the time. Last time I was in Iran I was 15 and I am in my early 20s now. But I am considering living in Iran after I am done with school for a few months and seeing how I like it.
I think though at the end of the day I will live here because I like the muslim community in the US, I would miss my family, and ideally I would want an Egyptian or Syrian wife.

She never emailed you?

>Practicing muslim from Algeria, lived my first decade there before coming to France.
That's cool and similar to me. I lived my first decade in Europe before moving here.

As for your parents, you can only learn from their mistakes, man. There's nothing wrong with following the wali system to find a good wife, don't let degenerate culture dictate otherwise. Statistics show that pure women are more likely to be better wives and mothers.

>I probably won't bother though, I'm too much trouble.
You won't know until you try. Divorce is something that's permitted in Islam, isn't it? Besides, I'm sure any girl would be happy to find a husband that treats her equally.

>I'd say it's 50/50 in NA
Yeah, that has been my experience with North Africans so far. It seems that (((secularism))) is slowly poisoning your societies.

>tradition used to be very strong in Europe under the Catholic church. Married women covered their hair, listened to their fathers, obeyed their husbands (who, in return, had duties too).
I belong to traditional Catholicism where this is still a thing and I really want to get married as soon as I finish uni next year.

Islam has always interested me, as well. I've been studying it since I was 14.

I don't think secularism is a bad thing, though obviously the way it is being pushed only aims to create extremism as a defensive reaction cf. Algeria's, Iran's and Egypt's coups. I mean isn't it funny, in Egypt and Algeria they democratically voted for islamic republics, and that went to shit thanks to the secular military. And secular countries like Syria and Turkey are on the verge of falling victim to religious extremism...
Anyway, back to secularism. Sharia-based law (Arabia, Iran...) = cancer < law that acknowledges sharia (among others, like Morocco where Jews don't submit to islamic laws but to Jewish laws; this was the case in Syria too with non-muslims). Only muslims should be concerned by islamic law; this should be like an opt-in list.
I think that Islam and secularism are positive things, yet they're both being used to ignite hatred and destruction thanks to mankind's infinite stupidity.

>I belong to traditional Catholicism where this is still a thing and I really want to get married as soon as I finish uni next year.
Follow Varg's advice lel. Find a traditional Catholic woman (how about Amish ?), and make as many kids as you can. If possible homeschool them, and don't be stupid enough to be dragged into arguments to defend your ideology and beliefs; the best proof you can present is success.
It pains me to see many deserted churches destroyed in France, the French abandoned God and now they're suffering the consequences. Yet they still don't understand what is the source of their misery and persist in their degenerate obsession with the material world. Catholicism needs to come back ASAP to save Europe from the pit it's slowly sinking in. Everytime I attended mass on sunday (went a couple of times out of curiosity, now I go from time to time whenever my brother's Russo-Algerian friend invites us) I get more depressed to see we're the only people under 35.
WW I and II wouldn't have been possible before Laïcité and Marxism.

I'm not sure what to think about secularism. I can understand what you mean by secularism promoting religion. Back when my country was community (aka militant atheist) people resisted by being really Catholic. Now it's all starting to fall apart again. Hard times make strong men.

>I think that Islam and secularism are positive things

desu I remember stories from my grandfather when workers from our countries would go to do road or building contracts in Middle Eastern countries. There was no Al Qaeda or other extremist groups. I think that western intervention in MENA countries is really pushing people towards radical Islam.

>make as many kids as you can

That's the plan! Catholicism forbids contraception, abortion and divorces can only be granted in certain cases. I really want to have 6-7 kids before my (future) wife is 40. Homeschooling is also the answer. Secular school systems promote atheism and other unproven theories as fact.

>Yet they still don't understand what is the source of their misery and persist in their degenerate obsession with the material world.
Hopefully their descendants will understand.

Nihilism and atheism is a relatively new thing in western and northern Europe, you know. As recently as 60 years ago most countries had 90% of people going to church each week. I think they understand that turning away from God leaves a hole in their lives, but they try to block that out with materialism.

>Catholicism needs to come back ASAP to save Europe from the pit it's slowly sinking in.

Christianity started out with a small handful of Jewish apostates and it persisted even under heavy Roman persecution that tried to make it extinct.

>Everytime I attended mass on sunday (went a couple of times out of curiosity, now I go from time to time whenever my brother's Russo-Algerian friend invites us) I get more depressed to see we're the only people under 35.

If you get a chance, you should go to churches that offer the Traditional Latin Mass. Those churches usually attract conservative young people. Ironically, some of the most devout Catholics I know are young French people. I know a couple that are becoming priests and two others that works as missionaries in Turkey.

I wish Muslims and Catholics could work together to drive out degeneracy in the world. Too bad our people are too busy killing each other.

gulf arabs are easily the ugliest arabs out there
trust me, you're not missing much

Saudi Arabia is a fucking concentration camp for women.

Imagine my pain when I see Muslims killing each other. From another perspective, I feel like they're too stupid to live anyway, so they kinda deserve what's coming for them. Once again what matters is faith, not denomination.
Actually the latin mass is what I've been after since the beginning, I'm just crazy about gregorian chants. I'll try to attend one in Paris if I get the chance

>Gulf Arabs
Wait, there's another kind of Arab ?

No. This was in the MSN messenger days.

There are arabians (saudis and their kin), and there are "arabs", those who speak arabic (such as those in syria, egypt, lebanon, etc), but are not genetically or culturally arabian.

pretty sure they are genetically related.
Just like how Europe has genetic overlap even if your French or English or German etc.

Syria, and Egypt have more European Admixture from Greeks/Romans/Crusades.
But then you look at a country like Libya, Morocco, and Algeria and they look almost like Saudis despite being pretty far away from each other.
(then again they may have more negro African blood in them)

some are mixed due to the islamic conquests and immigration from the gulf, but so are Iranians and they aren't considered to be arabs because they don't speak arabic.

What does your mosque community or the people you know think about 'radical' Islam?

As for Europeans, maybe they will realize their mistake before it's too late, God willing.

>Actually the latin mass is what I've been after since the beginning, I'm just crazy about gregorian chants. I'll try to attend one in Paris if I get the chance

Best of luck and God bless you!

I always use this website to find a mass when I'm away from home: masstimes.org/

desu, true Syrians(not the rapefugees they say are Syrians) and Israelis are the best looking people in that whole region.

Sometimes centuries of "diversity" actually does pay off. Then again Israel is also full of Russians/Slavs who artificially make them look better.

Iranians are like Turks. Most are shit, but some turn out kinda decent. However Turks have a higher % of ones that turn out decent.
>tfw Ottoman Empire doesnt rule everything anymore.