Why was Fergie so good at the premier league but piss poor at the Champions League?

Why was Fergie so good at the premier league but piss poor at the Champions League?

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It's a mystery.

Because for most of his career his only competition was the specialist in failure, and when he faced real competition in europe, he always got his ass handed to him.

Because English teams are all equally shit.

he won it twice what you talking about?

Because he didn't always have a world class squad really. He got the best out of mediocre players but that's not enough in the CL
>o'shea
>gibson
>cleverley
>fabio brothers
>park
>anderson
>every keeper between schmeichel and vdS

He won two. How many have wenger or other long term coaches won

> he had the commanding presence
> he was the pal to players despite being a hardcore militarist
> he was both feared AND respected, the most ideal combo that exists
> there were no untocuahble players
> no one was above the team, not Beckham, not Stam, not Keane, not Poborsky, not Cole & Yorke, not Ruud
> perfecting the wing game
> great nose for signing strikers
> workrate fanatic
> willing to experiment (Phil Neville and O'Shea as CMF, Giggs as false 9, Carrick as CB, young Rooney on the wings)

there were actually so many times United went out of the CL due to extremely bad luck

Winning the CL is harder

Yeah, the bad luck of playing clubs better than them.

lol..

No Fergie time in the CL

2 CLs 4 finals reached and however many semifinals.

He was good in the CL though

>piss poor

He won it twice. I know he was there for about 20 years and had one of the richest teams in the world the entire time, but still, that's really impressive. The only managers who have won it more than twice are Paisley and Ancelotti.

fuck, I just remembered Barthez

>he didn't have a world class squad

Who are Stam, Beckham, Scholes, Van Nistelrooy, Ferdinand, Vidic, Ronaldo, Tevez ?

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Add keane, og penaldo to that list.

>got to 4 finals
>mostly with mediocre players like Wes Brown and Antonio Valencia
>won 2
>lost 2 only to arguably the best team in history
>piss poor

He didn't have refs and FA preferrential treatment in CL.

Literally no other manager won the CL more in Fergie's time than he did. Believe it or not, the CL actually used to be competitive with teams across Europe all capable of winning it. Literally only 3 teams now can win it, and they have done so for the last 4 seasons.

Fergie could have jumped around Europe's top clubs like Ancelotti did, focusing only on a team for 2 years and never having to think about the future, but he didn't.

2 CLs and 4 finals - losing to Messi's Barcelona - was actually very good considering he was constantly breaking up and rebuilding new teams.

He also won the CWC with Aberdeen, beating Bayern and Real Madrid. And he won it again in his earliest seasons with United, beating Barcelona in the final.

When are you planning to present your evidence to the FA? I mean why not, you're clearly an ABU so you can get United stripped of most of their EPL titles!

You can't chalk it all up to Fergie time. He definitely got favorable treatment in some Premier League games ("Fergie time"), but that doesn't mean much in seasons where his teams won by like 20 points. And the big clubs in general get favorable treatment. The same thing happens in every league.

Because he's an overrated bully

Fergie and especially Wenger were and are tactically idiots who can't cope with La Liga clubs. Fergusons united lost to fucking Deportivo and Bilbao in europe. Wengers best ever result against a spanish team was against Villareal and they only scraped through there due to a penalty miss.

The only manager in England who can stop the Spanish clubs is Mourinho.

Ah yes, I remember the good old days when Stam would dispossess the opposition, pass it to Tevez who would dribble through the opposition and set it up for van Nistelrooy who would bury it in the bottom corner

>he did well with the mediocre players he had

I see this all the time but he was the one who decided to sign all that mediocrity

>The only manager in England who can stop the Spanish clubs is Mourinho.
Oh yeah It isn't like Simeone totally buttfucked Mourinho in the CL

Klopp must have a pretty good record against Spanish sides

Why was england so good at invading shitholes around the world but so bad in WW1 and 2?

>so bad
>literally won both without being invaded

---------------------VdS
Brown Ferdinand Vidic Evra
---------Hargreaves-Scholes
Ronaldo---------Rooney-----Giggs
------------------Tevez

He weakest player on that team is Wes Brown. Let's not pretend like Ferguson didn't have some stacked teams. He also wasted a lot of money on trash like Veron, Nani and Anderson.

Yeah and he won the CL with that team. And reached 2 further finals with it.

In the 90s it was because English football was left behind after its teams were banned from European Competition (thanks scouse scumbags), Man Utd had to catch up on almost a decade of evolution in European football.

In the 00s his record was pretty good. compare it to Real Madrid or Bayern in that time for example...

>nani
>trash

>you

I read that he was disgusted with the way they beat Barca in 08 and refused to play that way against them again. I don't completely believe it but he was very stubborn with his tactics in Europe, United way and all that.

ayy lmao

Look at the squad he won EPL with in 2013, even Spurs had stronger players at the time and they finished 5th

>turtles in the corner
>kill steals at the end after the Americans and the Russians do all the work

Because the rest of the world was already on our side having learned not to mess with us.

This is a good point. Casual and kids don't know the state that English football was in in the 90s. Because of the Heysel ban, Rangers in Scotland became the best team in Britain. Fergie dragged English football back into European contention and relevance.

You believe UK won the WWs?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The Premier League was relatively weak for most of Ferguson's time as manager, with the exception of 2005-09. So just like today, a club could be the best in England without even cracking the top 5 in Europe.

And Ferguson did win it twice, more than anyone else except Ancelotti.

The UK was going to lose its empire regardless. There was no way for it to govern all that territory, that possibility died with WWI and the disappearance of the "Imperial Federation" idea.

>Spains contribution to WW2 was to fight itself and install a fascist Real Madrid fan

This world would be a lot more peaceful if we all took the Spanish approach to life.

>Fighting WWs
Plebby as fuck

Was there a more irrelevant nation in the WWs than Great Britain? Maybe Australia?

If not for Australia you would be speaking German right now, ungrateful bastard

>Contribution to destroying milions of european
>Proud of it
Fucking anglos I swear.

Not the same way

Haha

Considering that Spain fought an extremely bloody civil war that ended with a brutal dictatorship, I doubt it.

>Piss poor in the CL

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>brutal dictatorship
Kek. It was pretty light.Nothing compared to the dictatorships in eastern Europe or the commie ones in Asia

This. Edgy children in this thread are unaware how competitive the CL used to be, there were at least 10 teams who were genuine contenders to win it, and then you also have upsets like Porto, Red Star & Bucharest

Until the Arab money poured into the premier the EPL was a 1 team league.Way worse than current Bundes

>EPL
>1 team league
Literally what. Who is the 1 team that wins everything?

Y-yeah, those brutal Franco facists bombing These innocent peasants! Fucking spaniards

Vienna final was wonderful

How did a britbong manage to make a post this good? Props, my man, I'm a Liverpool fan but I've always respected Fergie and no doubt he was the GOAT coach.

Anglos didn't even send a gun to spanish republic, only USSR did so the war ended being a commie proxy war.
Guernica was nothing compared to the thousands of german cities anglo bombed, fuck off dude.

he's saying it WAS a one team league when Fergie was at his peak

which isn't really true either

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he wasn't piss poor, just unimpressive in his wins. winning with a last minute comeback and a Terry slip is pretty meh for the goat manager. even in the finals he lost his team looked terribly out of depth

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How many times on this site do we have to explain that English clubs choose to focus on the league and the league is too competitive for you to regularly succeed both domestically and internationally. Therefore your European performances will suffer.

1. La Liga
2. Bundesliga
3. Serie A
4. EPL

This is rationalization.

Bullshit. So when Chelsea played a weakened team in the league, only to have their full strength team knocked out by Atleti a few days later, that was "focusing on the league"? Or Liverpool losing the EL final to Sevilla? How about Arsenal getting knocked out by Monaco?

Dub dubs confirm

92-96 Manure, Leeds, Lelpool, Blackburn and Newcastle were considered challengers
97-04 Wenger vs Fergie
05-10 "big 4" dominance
11-16 every man for himself era

It's a rational answer and it's true.

>Individual games

And yes, they are still playing more important PL games around those fixtures/are tired from the PL fixtures. We're also playing against teams in uncompetitive leagues who can focus on Europe more.

I mean look at this season, the sides doing well are either bombing in Europe or are not in Europe at all. The one side that is doing well in Europe is Lestah, who are doing shit in the league.

Arsenal are top of their group

It's handy mythologization of English soccer. "When we lost, it's because we prioritized the domestic league, so boy were we ever good in the years that we won."

Barely, and they have a weak group. Obviously anomalies happen as well.

He had by far the best team in the prem for well over a decade while that was not the case in the CL

Lester still undefeated?

Had the greatest Barca team ever not pop out of nowhere he'd have probably won 3 or 4 CLs.

And Man U managed to win it 13 times in this period.

kek

That's a one team league son. Even the Bundesliga currently is more competitive.

because there were many other objectively better teams outside of England.

It wasn't a 1 team league. Fergie was just great. Even towards the end of his tenure when City and Chelsea were outspending him massively, he still won 5 league titles in his last 7 years. Losing by a single point in 09/10, and only by goal difference in 11/12.

And with Aberdeen (!) he managed to beat the Old Firm to 3 league titles despite them having far greater resources and money. His Aberdeen is still the last side outside of Celtic and Rangers to win the Scottish league.

>Mfw Italian fans are smug near me

>3. Serie A
>4. EPL

TOP KEK

remember when Fiorentina was supposed to stand up against the big bad Anglo?

Bayern have won 13 in 20 years, winning the last 4 in a row, which his United never did. It's about even.

>Giving him a (You)

You're worse than him

this

That chip by Dempsey

Goat game desu, shame they couldn't pull it out in the end.

Ferguson had to compete with Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal in that period who were all capable of winning and all successful in europe at the time.

Buyern have been competing in a joke league with literally whos for the past 20 years. Not once has another german team outspend them in that period.

The % of prems before the oil momey was lik 80% of ManU winning it

Which shouldn't have been the case since Arsenal Niggers FC were the better team on paper. Fergie got all the refball though.

considering Chelsea ended up 6th when they won I'm not sure how you can argue otherwise same with Liverpool

He won 2 (two) champs and would have won more if messi was deaded

>wipe out a whole branch of human species in the Americas
>extract all the resources and gold from the continent
>proud of it

fucking non-white mexicans

Fergie is the only manager in the last few decades of English football that was able to contest the league and CL at the same time. Though the quality of the PL goes up and down and is often not great, the INTENSITY of the league cannot be questioned. The energy expended in the PL and the fixture pile ups and inevitable injuries makes competing for the PL and CL extremely difficult. When Liverpool won the CL, they finished 5th. When Chelsea did it, they finished 7th. Fergie was the only one capable of winning the PL and CL together, and he did it twice, one of which was part of an unprecedented treble. Mou, Guardiola and Klopp are all in the league now and there's not a chance that any of them will win the PL and CL in the same season.

Thats more down to the team quality than anything else. If fergie was managing today he would have the same problem.

Arsene is the only manager that could've done it but he's always lumbered with a mediocre team

It's becoming clearer and clearer to see how goat Fergie was.


I mean, look at this trash playing for United in the CL.

Mourinho had a fantastic team in 2005. Benitez had a fantastic team in 2009.

Even Wenger with his 'Invincible' side couldn't make a dent in Europe.

No, it's that fergie was the GOAT and Wenger is a specialist in failure.