How can the electron be inside the nucleus? then it would collide with the protons right?

how can the electron be inside the nucleus? then it would collide with the protons right?

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it cant be and never is

It never is?

Thats not how you should interpret that image.

There is a significant probality of finding the electron in the nucleus when it occupies an a-orbital.

What do you mean by "collide"? What force would make it a collision?

s-orbital

On the basis of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, it can be shown as to why electron cannot exist within the atomic nucleus. The radius of the atomic nucleus is of the order of 10-15 m. Now, if the electron were to exist within the nucleus, then the maximum uncertainty in its position would have been 10-15 m.

The value of uncertainty in velocity, Dv is much higher than the velocity of light (3.0 x 108 ms-1) and therefore, it is not possible. Hence an electron cannot be found within the atomic nucleus.

... Strong nuclear?

It clearly states that the electron has a non zero probability density at the nucleus for some quantum numbers

kek this is some serious autism

The electron does not interact with the strong nuclear force.

Its effectively zero though. Probability notation you are supposed to keep in mind closeness to zero. 10^-14 is pretty fucking close to zero. I'd expect that when it IS in the nucleus it is because of quantum fuckery that they can interact and not interact at the same time.

The electromagnetic force, the two particles have positive and negative electric charge. Or the weak force as the proton could capture the electron to become a neutron

im sorry i read it as finding the electron in the nucleus.

The electromagnetic force is what gives you these orbitals in the first place! It's already accounted for.

And protons do capture electrons? It's not some mysterious thing having to do with the electron "colliding" with the proton

Dumb idiot doesnt understand adoms go die retard fuck nigger

but couldn't you at some time determine it's position accurately in sacrifice of determining it's momentum, such that it definitely is inside the nucleus? or would the momentum then be too high for the interaction to have a significant cross section?

Maybe when they 'collide' the hydrogen decays and or scatters? Its just in the presence of other hydrogen atoms it can quickly regenerate?

yes electron capture does happen in nature and it can be observed from gamma radiation caused by outer electron falling into the now unoccupied inner orbital from which the electron was captured

the electron isnt inside the nucleus. its inside the radials around the nucleus. none of them touch anything else. they are extremely small and are spaced very widely apart in comparison to their size

The momentum of the electron when that close to the nucleus is so high it wouldn't have a cross section in time bounded by the speed of light. Thats why according to uncertainty it isn't possible. However HUP doesn't give the full picture, so I don't know. My degree is in physical chemistry but we didn't go very much into the theories that have such a low statistical significance. I'll have to look into it.

You can show that there's a probability of finding the electron in the nucleus.

The probability is incredibly low and is based off of a mathematical model that is not completely sound. We do not know enough to say for certain if it does or does not happen, but it most likely does not. The nucleus is incredibly small compared to the probability cloud.

Your mum collides with protons.

But in the picture it has a brighter color at the center for some orbitals, wouldn't the probability then be higher there than at the outskirts?

You forget to conciser the work by Heeler, Soaap et. al. The uncertainty is really much lower

Yes the probability would be much higher *close* to the nucleus, and seems to be higher chance to exist in the actual nucleus, but this is the limit of the model.

Fair enough.

lern 2 kwantum faggot

I fail to see what black Christmas has to do with anything.

>electron
>quantum
learn quantum physics in general before you shitpost something this autistic. electrons are GIGANTIC in comparison to the sub atomic particles involved in quantum theory.

which particles are those then? and how big is the electron?

The size of three football pitches. On Mars.

That's only because the wavefunctions are calculated by supposing that the nucleus is a mathematical point with no extention, hence the probability of finding the electron exactly in the coordinates (x,y,z)=(0,0,0) would still be zero

the bait was good

electrons arent inside the nucleus

The 'black christmas' thing was taking the bait? Seriously?

but the nucleus has a greater size than a point

>>electron
>>quantum
>learn quantum physics
>electrons are GIGANTIC in comparison to the sub atomic particles involved in quantum theory
Never seen so much pretentiousness and fail in only one post
Electrons, like all other subatomic particles, are effectively dimensionless, and their behaviour is indeed studied through quantum mechanics

It can probably, but only in abnormal conditions, such as in a neutron star.

>greater size than a point
still pretty small. The overlap between the demension of the nucleus and the electron orbital is minuscole, so there's virtually no chance (10^-5) of an electron "colliding" with the nucleus

nope again. Quantum theory teaches us that there is nothing like matter in the universe. It's all built of energy and energy is binding it.
So your so called 'nucleus" is nothing else then a small portion of energy concentrated to a specific area. No problem for the other energy packet - you call it "electron" to flow right through it without your expected "collision".
look up for the tunneling effect for a simple and common use case of this