Falling Down is essentially about the displacement and betrayal of the ordinary White man in America, whether due changing racial demographics or materialist consumption.
This scene for example shows how the White man finds himself attacked by minorities for no reason (the gang sign is only an excuse though its obvious the cause of the confrontation is simply mindless violence against Michael Douglas' character because he's White). Note the choice of words. Despite his attempts to simply resolve the issue peacefully, the gang members persist in harassing him. I think the following line is probably the most important of the movie. It conveys the entire point of the movie.
>"Okay, okay. I was willing to mind my own business, I was willing to respect your territory and treat you like a man, but you couldn't leave it alone, could you?"
Basically, the White man in America, despite being completely willing to treat minorities equally, still finds himself pushed. Michael Douglas' character only wants to travel the city to his daughter's birthday party, but find himself constantly hindered and harassed. Similarily, the ordinary White man just wants to get on with his life without getting hassled, yet he too finds himself constantly assailed by imposed racial issues, which has dislocated his place in society and destroyed his identity. Despite his willingness to go along (he even specifically rebukes the Neo-Nazi, saying they are nothing alike). His good faith has been constantly betrayed, which manifests in psychopathic violent outbursts. In real life, the same effect occurs but is more likely to out itself in use of medication, alcoholism, obesity, depression, etc. (life expectancy for White Americans is lowering due to all this).
All of this is punctuated by the final line of the movie: "I'm the bad guy?". Despite just wanting to get to his daughter's birthday party, he finds himself demonized.
Camden Taylor
It's actually more about menal illness and stress, though the backdrop of the setting does influence that with some nice commentary.
Nathaniel Bennett
he literally did NOTHING wrong
Daniel Edwards
Yea. The neo nazi was the true hero of this film.
Aaron Long
>implying the neonazi wasn't ironically the most blupilled character in the entire film
Jaxon Nelson
Yeah, pretty much. Also, consider Mr. "Not Economically Viable". He represents the black middle classes who were still equally treated with contempt by the system no matter how far they move from their gangbanger fellows. In the end he is moved on so the film can focus on cooler violent gangbangers, much as the Left would rather ignore black success stories and continue fetishising victimhood.
Logan Cox
>It's actually more about menal illness and stress It's about a father who never hurt his son, yet the wife becomes so vile towards him.
I have an uncle who's wife divorced him and spread lots of lies about him so I know about these scenarios. Douglas' character never did anything immoral (as for him yelling in the home video footage; he just at a temper. My father sometimes had a temper as a lot of us have but that was it).
Douglas plays the ordinary man who has been cheated by a women who steals his son who loves him as we see in the movie, and sadly he takes it too far.
Joshua Phillips
I didn't feel sorry for him. He was incapable of accepting change and evolving. The entire scene with the Asian store owner was proof of that. He was so unable to accept something as basic as the inflation of price on a soda can that it drove him to rage. It was clear he didn't understand why things were different, they just were. So rather than question why, he lashed out at what was different. This movie isn't about white people in a minority world, its about the inability of conservatism to tolerate change.
Ian Garcia
Also, pretty significant that DFENS and the "economically viable" guy are wearing the same exact outfit. And the knowing nod they give each other. It's definitely intentional.
>one dog goes one way, the other goes the other
Mason Turner
Failing this hard to understand a movie.
Oliver Perry
The dog's reactions are pretty significant. The dog is happy to see Douglas' character when he returns home and is sad when he is dead. The real villain of the movie was the wife 2bh.
Xavier Bell
>The real villain of the movie was the wife 2bh. That's exactly what I picked up the first time I watched it years ago.
Elijah Nelson
Sup Forums: The Character
Sebastian Mitchell
> didn't feel sorry for him. He was incapable of accepting change and evolving. The entire scene with the Asian store owner was proof of that. He was so unable to accept something as basic as the inflation of price on a soda can that it drove him to rage. It was clear he didn't understand why things were different, they just were. So rather than question why, he lashed out at what was different. This movie isn't about white people in a minority world, its about the inability of conservatism to tolerate change.
That's just like your opinion man, if user in OP can back up what he says with evidence in the film his interpretation is acceptable. Personally I the film makers wanted to do what you describe, however, as happens often, conservative characters and themes seep through since they are usually better than stereotypical liberal cliches.
Bentley Scott
>Personally I think
forgot a word there
Andrew Long
Except for shooting that lady detective, otherwise I'd agree.
David Lopez
Falling down is critical of capitalism.
Liam Harris
Reddit: The Post
Nathaniel Perez
>priviledged white dude with selective memory: the long winded masturbatory post
Blow it out your ass faggot
Adrian Moore
Incorrect.
Conservatives fully embrace the free market, which is the greatest change agent/social disrupter in human history.
Liberals want to aggressively control the economy through force to help their pet groups (who are unable to function properly within a free competitive system).
Conservatives welcome change, they just like a degree of social cohesion whilst that change occurs.
Liberals want to control society, and destroying social cohesion allows tgem to advance on this goal.
Brandon Ortiz
Nah
Jack Campbell
HE'S A FUCKING WHITE MALE!
Not an argument btw.
Alexander Long
>Basically, the White man in America, despite being completely willing to treat minorities equally, still finds himself pushed. Michael Douglas' character only wants to travel the city to his daughter's birthday party, but find himself constantly hindered and harassed. Similarily, the ordinary White man just wants to get on with his life without getting hassled, yet he too finds himself constantly assailed by imposed racial issues, which has dislocated his place in society and destroyed his identity.
Is this satire? A huge part of white identity in the United States is that they're superior to racial minorities and maintaining that superiority through either physical, economic, and legal violence. So of course when those structural inequalities start to be rectified, white people will lose part of the dominance they've held for so long. When you're used to always having an advantage, true equality feels like discrimination.
Dominic Turner
Wrong
Conservatives only embrace the free market as long as they are top dog, in the actual free market, conservatives whine about "muh China raping the economy" incessantly
Chase Nelson
Jesus Christ, you sound like a disgusting Marxist professor
Also wrong, that poster was right, there is difference between Global trade, and trade on a person by person basis in a country. It's hard to compete with Chinese slave labor ;)
Brandon Robinson
But that isn't the argument. The argument is that he has a selective memory and that his post is masturbatory in its purpose. Both of which are true.
Gabriel Stewart
>HE'S A FUCKING WHITE MALE!
Exactly. I don't think you or him are aware of what that entails. It's something you don't want to face
William Myers
>The argument is that he has a selective memory and that his post is masturbatory in its purpose.
No, the argument is that he is a "privileged white dude," which somehow invalidates his post as being selective and masturbatory. The entire "argument" hinges on an ad hominem about the guy's race and gender.
Nathaniel Howard
>Help me I'm oppressed! How is Sup Forums any different than tumblr?
Ian James
How are you any different from reddit
Anthony Garcia
>Jesus Christ, you sound like a disgusting Marxist professor
This isn't a "muh feels" post. This is documented fact. Pick up a history book, any history book, unless you're afraid that it'll contradict your "benevolent white guy" narrative.
Daniel Roberts
What are some other good "Angry White Man" kinos to check out?
Josiah Jenkins
Pretty much this. Adapt or go in the mental hospital.
Brayden Collins
>I don't think you or him are aware of what that entails
Please explain to me what it entails, I'm genuinely curious what you think it means.
>Pick up a history book, any history book,
Cite one specifically.
Nolan Moore
we give you affirmative action programs we give you welfare we elect a black president
I think we tread minorities better than we treat ourselves
Anthony White
This, here's an example.
>South gets BTFO during the Civil War >Federal government forces them to treat blacks as equals >White Southerners use terrorism to keep blacks subjugated (KKK) >As soon as federal influence leaves they reestablish legal methods of keeping blacks subjugated (Jim Crow laws, Poll taxes, Grandfather Clause, ect)
Lincoln Kelly
i'm sure that's what you believe, kiddo.
Anthony Russell
What do you mean "we," paleface?
Owen Young
>Cite one specifically. So you can respond with "not an argument"?
Pavlov would've had a blast with you guys.
Easton Cook
So this information is in "any history book" and you can't cite a single one by name?
Okay.
Aaron Gray
>white identity is synonymous with white superiority
this is your hypothesis, prove it.
David Brown
It's not that I can't, it's that I won't.
It's not worth it. You're not interested in learning anything and once you're proven wrong, you're gonna respond with some shitty Sup Forums quip or "not an argument". It's easier to teach children, and this is speaking from experience.
Cameron Barnes
>Here's an example >Civil War
Aren't you forgetting all the filthy Crackas that died to free the slaves?
What about all the white abolitionists?
What about all the White Republicans?
Landon Russell
>Crackas died to free slaves They died to preserve the Union. >white abolitionists & Republicans What about them? Exceptions that actually care about egalitarianism doesn't change the majority of white Americans preferred a society where they're always in a superior position to minorities.
James Bailey
You couldn't even throw out a big name like Roediger or Katznelson to support your argument? I get the feeling you don't actually know what you are talking about yourself.
Hunter Hernandez
>you're supposed to sympathize with the guy going around to private businesses and harassing the employees who are just trying to get through the day all because he's a self-centered dick
Angel Flores
>the majority of white Americans preferred a society where they're always in a superior position to minorities.
So did the Japanese, Chinese, Arabs, and Africans in their own countries. What is your point?
William Robinson
Not the guy you've been responding to, but it sounds like you've just been BTFO unless you either A. Cite a fucking source or B. Redpill yourself. You sound like the one unwilling to learn/adapt but why bash the system that probably got you your teaching position in the first place?
Nolan Clark
Who the hell does sympathize with someone like this?
>I WANT BREAKFAST AT 10:05! >I'M NOT PAYING THE PRICES YOUR STORE ESTABLISHES! >*shoots up the place*
Camden Morgan
The fact that other places follow similar racism doesn't prove your "benevolent white man" theory.
Which is laughable btw since it took extensive protest and the federal government to force white people to tolerate blacks to even use the same bathrooms.
Luis Campbell
Why has nobody mentioned Prendergast yet? OP how does the second most important character fit into your interpretation?
Nathan Mitchell
The customer is always right.
Chase Lee
Bull fucking shit mate
The majority of people prefer equality, and I want you to prove otherwise. Your victim narrative is not supported by the facts, this issue was addressed in the 60's and in terms of legal status everyone in America is treated equally, besides a few Whites who do not receive Affirmative Action, this itself is government policy, which does no ignore race, and is thus unconstitutional.
Jonathan Edwards
It's sad that people think America is the most racist unaccepting country in the world when people are literally not allowed to marry outside of their heritage in other countries. Liberals should be flown over and dropped into these countries but that would require them to be more than armchair activists.
1) Complaining about trade and banning trade are two wildly different things. I might buy a BMW and complain about how much gas it uses.....but that doesn't mean that I don't want the car.
2) There is a natural genetic hierarchy based upon intelligence. This is hard science and it is denied by leftists (who are as bad as climate change deniers). The free market will eventually roughly align with this natural hierarchy. "Conservatives" can't control this hierarchy to make sure they are always on top. That's tinfoil territory, son.
Jordan Edwards
>I WANT LESS POLICE VIOLENCE! >*Shoots 5 cops*
Jordan Butler
>Not the guy you've been responding to Sure.
>You couldn't even throw out a big name like Roediger or Katznelson to support your argument? Why? So you could dismiss them based on the fact that they're big, known figures? No thanks. I'd rather waste my time teaching kids how to read. Some good might actually come out of it.
Tyler Moore
Pretty edgy, my dude, but how does that relate to the movie?
Sebastian Edwards
>protester and killer are the same >shooting up a restaurant for breakfast is comparable in any shape or way
Just goes to show white people's priorities.
Christian Miller
> This is hard science and it is denied by leftists (who are as bad as climate change deniers).
You seem like a reasonable guy, you should look into man made climate change theory, Burt Rutan, an aerospace engineer, does a great breakdown of the data, I'm sure you can find it on youtube.
Ryder Long
>putting 21st century views on the past
No they didn't, hence why Abraham Lincoln had to assure his voters that he does not consider blacks to be equal to whites racially.
And again, why it took minorities protesting relentlessly to force whites to accept them as equals.
Dominic Ward
Fucking white people, amirite? I mean clearly all white people are that poster but all protesters are not that killer. It's just logic.
Charles Sanders
I'm very much aware that it's worse in other countries. But just because some other countries treat its ethnic minorities terribly doesn't mean that we should use them as a standard. The United States stands for a beautiful and lofty goal of humanity, that quite frankly, not a whole lot of other nations do.
"We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal." That's the standard that America holds itself to.
Michael Parker
>d-don't make fun of my stupid comparison Just call me a nigger and stop wasting our time.
Adrian Bell
Who are you quoting? I wasn't the guy who made the original comparison you responded to. I think you both are fucking retarded.
Caleb Sullivan
>>putting 21st century views on the past
You said white identity (essentially American culture) is synonymous with white superiority, we are discussing current society, I don't care if some Southern boy didn't like black people in the 1850's, we are talking about present day America, and I can tell you that racism is not the issue progressives make it out to be.
>And again, why it took minorities protesting relentlessly to force whites to accept them as equals.
This is another failure, instead of protesting and giving your money to the "talented 10th" as W.E.B. DuBois put it, minorities who wanted to be treated equal should have worked hard for it, like Booker T. Washington. But that approach wasn't viable and now you still have race baiters like Al Sharpton filling the role of the "talented 10th" of the black population to get rich of other people suffering.
Christian Nelson
What even were Douglas' character's actual beliefs? On the one hand he seems like a classic conservative capitalist but in other scenes he sounds like a socialist.
Gavin Barnes
>I don't care if Southern boy didn't like black people in the 1970's
ftfy
>should have worked hard for it Says the suburban white who never had to worry about poverty, gang violence, racial profiling or having grandparents who still recall getting threatened with violence for drinking from a white water fountain.
Andrew Martin
3rd party here, you're losing this argument.
Joshua Turner
>duurr i dont no nothing bout what you were saying you're both stupid xd
Jackson Hernandez
He was a madman who would stick to whatever reasoning he could to justify his violent outburst.
You know, back in the 90s, everyone understood this notion.
Lincoln Martinez
Do you have a single argument in this entire thread?
Jeremiah Collins
What you're quoting isn't an argument dumb fuck.
Jonathan Clark
The movie just coincidentally predicted the future in terms of being a white "minority". Its a white guy dealing with the pussification of the United States and how progressive opinions are taking over. The black guy just wanted a house loan, but was denied probably due to credit brought on by himself or no credit.
The neo nazi hates fags and sees a future where all gays are treated equally outside of liberal states. He's "stuck" in Los Angeles by his own fault.
The fast food scene is indicative of not getting your way, and having to deal with it.
The fast food scene basically sums up the film. He's angered by First World problems so much and not getting his way that it leads to his own death. Chalking it up to a nice bow tying ending where "he did nothing wrong". It's the 1990s which brought in so much change that his white bred conservative mind couldn't grasp it.
Much like the "domestic terrorism" of the 90s by radical fundamentalist neo nazis the film showed how retarded these back wood morons really are and how the country can't really progress into anything because we loves guns, hate other races, and can't deal with extreme change. It's a satire on Americans just like Robocop.
Christopher Turner
>the black middle classes who were still equally treated with contempt by the system no matter how far they move from their gangbanger fellows
Yeah black middle class folks have it so hard. All of that affirmative action. Gee, how will they ever live?
Isaiah Davis
Dude wasn't this pasta on Sup Forums recently?
Lucas Richardson
>says the American whose mother lived in a trailer cause her family couldn't afford a suburban house >says the American whose Grandmother fled east Germany cause of socialist faggots like you
Your true colors show when you make statements like that, you presumptuous fuck. You think everybody has an easy life cause their white. You racist piece of shit. Everybody's got problems, guess what, we don't have segregation any more, it's over, minorities can't play victim any more.
Mason Moore
>maintaining that superiority through either physical, economic, and legal violence.
Trillions of dollars in welfare, section 8 housing and affirmative action.
> keeping the black man down
Carter Price
This post is all over the place. You sound schizophrenic.
Isaac Brooks
>haha that wasnt me youre just being btfo xDD >wheres the argument tho????
Camden Stewart
Just like the movie
Jeremiah Russell
Not an argument.
Jack Jones
>p-please, post buzzwords or my mind can't take it...
Wyatt Foster
>betrayal of the ordinary middle class man in America NOT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE
Charles Miller
>Much like the "domestic terrorism" of the 90s by radical fundamentalist neo nazis the film showed how retarded these back wood morons really are and how the country can't really progress into anything because we loves guns, hate other races, and can't deal with extreme change.
Again, what is this "change" and why is this positive. I have yet to have liberals define this "change" which is so "feared" by conservatives.
Is it an America with increased racial hatred as we've seen under Obama? Is it an America where any politician, who is a Democrat, like Clinton can get away with breaking the law? Is it an America where you sue a baker for not making a cake and force them to shut down their business?
Henry Ortiz
>racial hatred
What I meant was the current climate of black supremacy and the victim mentality which is blamed on whitey, obviously not racial hatred on the part of whites, because that's not an issue.
Charles Reed
FAGS!
Blake Smith
You heard it here folks, white guy says minorities are the complete equals to whites.
Guess we'll just have to take his word for it.
Dominic Thompson
Who are you quoting?
Anthony Russell
It's taking away complacent behavior exhibited by whites in America before the 70s. They loved their way of living where everything is segregated. Didn't matter how rich or poor you were. After the 60s segregation was only afforded by the rich and still is.
Matthew Johnson
'Discussion' then. What's it like, being on the spectrum?
Jason Evans
Sorry Sup Forums, as usual you're starting out with a thesis that supports your own feelings and then just ignoring or shutting out all information that's contrary to it.
He doesn't just want to go to his daughter's birthday party. He wants to violate a restraining order that his ex wife had taken out against him due to his violent tendencies.
Most of the things that piss him off throughout the movie have nothing to do with racial minorities. His journey starts when he can't stand sitting in traffic anymore and leaves his car ("the rat race.") The homeless guy who harrasses him for change is completely white. He flips out in the burger joint because they won't serve breakfast.
Most of all though he reacts violently when the guy in the store thinks he's a fellow Nazi.
You're zeroing in on a few elements of the movie and claiming they make it a mirror of your own worldview when it's about something much deeper. Douglas's character is both sympathetic and unsympathetic because his frustration with the world around him is universal - nearly anyone can relate to his feeling like he simply can't deal with society's bullshit anymore - but at the same time it's 100% clear that in the end the violence of his reaction comes from inside himself, it isn't forced upon him by the outside world. He is the bad guy in the end because he's allowed his frustration to transform into hatred which manifests itself by hurting everyone around him, even his own family.
You are right about one thing, Sup Forums. This movie is about you. But not in the way you think. You *are* the bad guy, and chances are by the time you realize it, it's going to be too late.
Ryder Morgan
Faggot: The Shitposter
Xavier Barnes
>white people will lose part of the dominance they've held for so long. When you're used to always having an advantage, true equality feels like discrimination Bruh you're a commie.
David Fisher
>be autistic >don't mix words like "argument" and "discussion" because I know what they actually mean
Feels pretty fucking good, I gotta say.
Joseph Lopez
So are these people actually being paid to protest as some claim or do they do it for free? Much more pathetic if the latter.
Also, if they are being paid, how can I get in on that :^)
Connor Harris
>He wants to violate a restraining order that his ex wife had taken out against him due to his violent tendencies.
You're conflating a man standing up for himself as "violent tendencies" a common notion in today's society.