Our culture is long overdue for a new counterculture/protest movement. Mainstream culture in 2017 worships conformity...

Our culture is long overdue for a new counterculture/protest movement. Mainstream culture in 2017 worships conformity.What gives?

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We don't have counterculture anymore because the mainstream is so quick to react now-a-days that countercultures are swept up into the mainstream quicker than they are able to get a foothold.

>Mainstream culture in 2017 worships conformity.
It's always pushed a kind of conformity because that's what a mainstream has to do, fuck off.

>muh punk was a protest movement
It was a bland image-based movement, if that passes for a protest movement, so does BLM and muh Kendrick jazz rap

>we need a movement
>to escape conformity

You are a special kind of stupid.

Interesting. I think this is what happened to the alt-right.

I never said we needed a movement to escape conformity. I was asking why it isnt happening anymore.

>It's always pushed a kind of conformity because that's what a mainstream has to do, fuck off.
Yeah but sometimes the mainstream becomes much less conformist thanks to countercultural movements, e. g. the beatles, stones, ramones, etc.

the first edgelord has blessed this thread

I think in many ways music has lost its cultural / political voice. Most mainstream stuff seems relatively unremarkable in its stance apart from the occasional black lives matter thing. Punk is an interesting example; back when punk hit here in the UK, one of the catalysts was the disparity between the mindless crap in the mainstream music scene and an environment where people were really strugging economically.

So I dunno, maybe another three years of Trump and we'll be all set for some good music.

>I buy what the mainstream sells and think I'm being rebellious

>Our culture is long overdue for a new counterculture/protest movement.

Have you looked at the (American) news lately?

You have tumblr retards and Sup Forums retards that have been going at each other's digital throats for years now, and it inevitably spilled over into the real world..

> Mainstream culture in 2017 worships conformity.

Ironically, those movements are mainstream and everyone is more than happy to conform to either one of them whether you're a SJW or frogposting alt-right.


None of it is music-based, also.

Actually, reading this has just made me think of a hypothesis. The direction of the current social justice movement has been swayed in such a way that the difficulties of white people can be ignored and trivialised. As such where artistic members of these groups would have previously have voiced these greviances they do not now as it is dissuaded by the mediums who would have previously supported them.

Punk was bad for music imo. Mostly just a bunch of talentless wasters getting together, having absolutely no clue about basic composition. There's no sort of variety in the texture generally, just mostly power chords, very little on offer melodically and a step backwards from the rock on show in the early 1970s.

>Punk was bad for music
At least it paved the way for pop punk

So basically, BLM is oppressing white musicians - seems legit.

Post-punk was good though - punk let people loosen up a bit. An awful lot of the pop back when punk started was pretty awful shit from what I can tell.

vaporwave is the new punk, it even fits the description

internet communities are the counterculture. this very board is the counterculture. i know Sup Forums's self-loathing streak will lead us to the 'but Sup Forums only talks about memerap and entry level indeh xD' response, but genuinely the way most posters on Sup Forums consume music and the kind of music that is canonised here is wildly different to the average person's.

that's the point, it's not supposed to be good

Bring back old black, start burning shit and taking pictures of dead stuff

>vaporwave is the new punk
thats actually pretty...sad

Its all about being a passive aggressive tumblr douche now

>difficulties of white people
what difficulties?

too real

this is it

Are you one of those people that likes Noise music becuase 'it's supposed to be unlistenable'?

Isn't the new counter-culture not conforming to a culture based on music?

Conservative music is the new counter-culture

I mean, you're not wrong

>he doesn't enjoy marquee moon

CONSERVATIVE IS THE NUW COWNTERCOULTURE

really made me think

>being this plebeian

>back when punk hit here in the UK
it was also a bland image-based movement as pointed out. Punk didn't introduce anything special or new besides image. Muh "breaking the rules" and whining about politics was a thing long before punk existed.

Being a man, being responsible, taking care of your family, being conservative. That's the counter culture to the mainstream libcuck culture now.

how so?

really? We have the alt right and this whole 'transgender' fad the kids seem to be into nowadays. They are like our mods and rockers

under late capitalism your life will always be a howling void of shit regardless of what you do. Those white liberals who pontificate about feeling the pain of the 'POC' are just accumulating social capital, like the wealthy christians in past ages who never missed the chance to exalt the modesty and goodness of the poor, whilst keeping the poor far away as they should be. the truth is we are heading straight towards the abyss, all races, even the former profesional classes are being reduced to informal gig labor. 'Authenticity' is in short supply and thus an increasingly valuable commodity.The world in 2017 is a desert, completely drained of anything resembling meaning, it's all just an elaborate performance with occasionally real blood and guts. Everything seems artificial, the rituals of mass society where normies film themselves acting out the meme of the week, when people buy products just to unbox them on video, it's just going through the motions. we are sleepwalking into the abyss. The new york times writes a feature on LGBT drone operators... 'Woke' middle class liberal whites instinctively know their lives are shit, aesthetically as well as morally, they know all rebellion is illusory, so they've turned to fetishising black people as the last authentic consumer units.

are you retarded?

Fags became squares and traps became queers breh, all you had to say

Brian Eno was 'trans' before it was trendy. Glam rock was a mistake.

Internet. The internet has ruined culture. Say goodbye to authenticity thanks to it. Everything is now a deteriorated regurgitation of the past and it grows in souls annually. People no longer have identity, they have profiles. They don't have interests, they have likes. They have a window they view the world of which creates a reality that breeds identity obsession, narcissism, devalue and dehumanization. This is what humans are now and will be for a while. Say so-long to the exploration different worlds. Rebellion doesn't exist anymore, the current form is a fashion accessory.

The internet.

Shit, you beat me to it. But you're right and said it better than I did.

Punk "culture" and music was created by the media and journalists. Fuck your stupid protest movement and counterculture that revolves around fashion, sex, and drugs.

We need a genuine time of artistic freedom (freedom not from our government or society, but freedom from our own fear and personal prejudices.) A culture based on honesty and self-improvement.

Only by tapping into ourselves and creating things only based on our own interests can we overthrow the shackles of corporate-industrial society, if we create a society with less emphasis on trends and more emphasis on genuine expression of the self, times will change.

something happened in november

I don't follow politics closely, could you just tell me

it involves a man called donald trump

i see, not american so I didn't figure that out. Thought you meant 9/11

>not american so I didn't figure that out
neither am I

As strange as it seems, alt right Sup Forums culture is almost completely commodified by this point. Sup Forums might have been behind the memes, but the hanger ons who watered down their message for a mass audience got even more money and followers. National Socialism is dead for real this time. Now you have people like Gavin McInness or that Sargon dude using stale memes to sell neoconservativism to gen z.

people are afraid to go to jail because theyre pussies

>So I dunno, maybe another three years of Trump and we'll be all set for some good music.

Ruined your post by revealing your sheepish Trump hysteria. That idiot won't hurt your fucking burger economy, neocon loonies are just getting him to rile up foreign affairs.

The creation of a counterculture against Trump merely existing in the public eye has to be the most cancerous idea I've heard in a while.

Jesus I hate dumbfounded millennials.

>we can be like punks!

Fuck you. Fuck your lack of respect and gratefulness for the people who fought for your right to live like a King in 2017. Unlimited information and education thanks to decades of engineering, mathematical and scientific research and man power. Easy living and access to clean water, public travel, food, jobs etc etc etc thanks to the decades of marching, striking and crying for help for the essential things that are commodity to us now. This kind of ignorance is a mass palpitation. People whine about their utter grime of a problem with their preferred internet social shit-for-brain stream of conscious emitter.

You can't be a counterculture if the White House, congress, and senate are all republican run.

Gen Z seems to be receptive too, even the older and more Leftist Gen Z kids from 1998 are less inclined to follow conventions and economics of millennials.

I fucking hate this meme

I hate to be that guy but Gen Z are still in high school so their political opinion is kinda meaningless.
They can't vote and once they will be able to they might have a very different outlook on politics.
Also, I don't know where you got this information from so it might not even be true.

Worship music is the new counter culture, focusing on the eternal, on Christ now that's really edgy.

Oh yeah, blind loyalty to authority is really counter culture. You've got your finger on the pulse of the kids today.

>conservative
>punk

That was the most contradictory statement I heard this week, thanks a lot man.

Gen Z is in High School and College niggy, 1997-2010s

this, so much.

to the people saying vaporwave is punk, it is in part, but the entire bedroom producer scene as a whole has tons of little crevices of punk all over. counterculture hasn't died, we're just so deep in it we don't realize we're a part of it.

while is right in a way, that just means that its about due time for a change, with r/the_donald as a nice catalyst.

Yeah I know, most of them can't vote. Those that did might change their political views greatly by the time they finish college. My points still stand

You're missing the point, older Gen Z (including myself) already voted this cycle.

Yeah, sorry I'm wrong. I thought Gen Z started in 2000, so they couldn't vote in my mind.

You are correct though in that our politics could shift, but the eldest of this generation generally view SJW types and Marxism as unsavory, instead opting for more centrist liberalism or libertarian capitalism. This is because of the recession and growing fears about the types of crazy fuckheads we might encounter in college. Of course, part of this is from experience. While millennials at a pal of mine's college embraced Marxism-Leninism, he instead prefers a slightly more capitalist approach following learning about elasticity in the market. According to some surveys, we're more entrepreneurial and focused on business which I can vouch for personally in that lots of friends of mine desire to start up businesses and find ways to become economically stable by obtaining large sums of capital. That isn't to say though that all of us are for capitalism, but our leftists are watered-down and more open to other ideas. I project in the coming years, the American Libertarian party and or sympathizers will gain traction, and also perhaps the more moderate republicans and democrats. Of course, only time can really tell.

Sounds fairly anecdotal, and which studies

Schools throughout the capitalist world do their best to hammer innovation and entrepreneurship into kids' heads. It's fucking ridiculous, not even soviet children got that much propaganda. School increasingly exists to make you into a piece of shit who spews silicon valley buzzwords

Sure
cnsnews.com/commentary/eric-metaxas/next-generation-americans-gen-z-may-be-most-conservative-wwii

(Leftist publication commenting on our entrepreneurial tendencies) m.huffpost.com/us/entry/12814200

hispanicheritage.org/50000-generation-z-high-school-students-identify-republican/
I wanna add though that "most conservative since WWII" is probably an overstatement.
>triggered

Sorry>triggered
meant for this fag

The true counterculture is being an unironic neo nazi

I mean, I guess

CONSERVATISM IS DA NEW COUNTAH CULCHA

>mfw retards think counter-culture has to do with who runs the congress or something
lel

youtube.com/watch?v=nSTukGu-Ut4

sorry, its a trend

>Mainstream culture in 2017 worships conformity
What mainstream culture didn't worship conformity you dunce

The establishment is still heavily against the president and his congress. Every media source, news outlet, college campus, and mainstream website is still pushing leftist politics on a daily basis.

youtube.com/watch?v=TQqdxQQ5Xtw

>mfw nerds wearing sperrys and tight pants talk about rebellion

Yes you can you dumb fuck, mainstream culture is overwhelmingly liberal, which is the only thing that matters
>b-but muh senate
Literally braindead

maybe where you live not everywhere else in america

Just b urself, that's real counter culture. It's your life, make your own path and don't spend it all on someone else's road.

That last paragraph was basically a rephrasing of the whole punk philosophy, you fucking tard

Reality tends to have a liberal bias

what

This unironically

*my reality tends to have a liberal bias.
>FTFY

if u think about it real hard, if you do your research, you'll discover Reality invariably tends to have a Traditionalist Catholic bias

sorry, the experts agree

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This is the best answer on Sup Forums

"The Experts" being...?

John Lydon seems like a really cool guy and always sounds perfectly reasonable and sane in interviews.

What the hell is conservative music?

the gender experts

Music of any kind made by conservative thinking people.
Boyd Rice:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=uKPgeCY14l8
Hank Williams
m.youtube.com/watch?v=xtolv9kM1qk
Ted Nugent
m.youtube.com/watch?v=nW8S58CYQqs
And other songs by conservative peoples like Muslims and Christians and so-on.

Lydon always talks shit on talkshows, that's kinda what he does and has done for 4 decades

youtube.com/watch?v=jRNOUz7uefA

I think that in most cases it's the hosts being knobs. Grundy dug his own grave here and in Australia Lydon appeared on a show called The Project (horrible program by the way) and he eventually told them to shut up because they kept cutting him off and talking over him. I don't think I've ever seen Lydon start with disrespectful behaviour without provocation.

Does the music have to actually be conservative in some way? Do conservatives make inherently different music to progressives? Did you know that Richard Wagner was considered a dangerous progressive in his time? If MC Ride identified politically as a High Tory would that make Paramilitary conservative music?

Well yeah, conservative music has a conservative message.

fart and BRAAAAAAAAAP

Well the thing is punkers go on about how punk is all about being rebellious, and just kinda twists the definition of punk as it's convenient. Like when Trump got in office, suddenly punk wasn't counterculture anymore, it was ACTUALLY about being anti-establishment the whole time. At this point I honestly believe it's just liberals twisting the meaning to fit their context. And to try and answer your question op the new movement will come in the form of a musical renaissance- artists will start looking back to influences we've sort of forgotten. It's the only way past this fucked up "post-nirvana" type of era we seem to be stuck in right now.