How old were you user when you grew out of libertarianism?

How old were you user when you grew out of libertarianism?

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Bring on Thunder dome bitch! I'm ready!

Let's all have a serious argument about political philosophy using fictional examples!

I haven't and I won't. Regardless of the outcome, it's fundamentally wrong to tax rape people and not give them an opt out.

>Resourced starved post-apocalyptic anarchy...
from libertarianism.

>Post scarcity world...
realized from socialism.

what if you're a libertarian socialist who believes in collectively run syndicates that promote the welfare of the worker

>shit that doesn't exist

lmao right? its probably just another one of those weird underground hillary bots that trolls Sup Forums trying to change opinions and views of the dumb fuck readers.

+1000

When ur hillary levels are low

>from libertarianism.
No, mad max world is literally our world after nuclear apocalypse.

>realized from socialism.
again wrong, they were capitalist as fuck, earth went socialist when they went post-scarcity
It;s easy to be socialist when money does not matter

>2000 +17
>depending on government

you have a lot of disappointment ahead of you kid

I 100% support thunderdomes.

>serious argument
>political philosophy
>Sup Forums
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Honestly, neither approach realized to its maximum extent meshes well; socialism goes against the "fairest for the individual" primal inclinations we have and libertarianism against "best for society as a whole" approach needed to advance society at a good clip.

I'd argue Libertarian freedoms ought to operate in a socialistic domain though. You can opt out though: move. It's logistically impossible to allow someone to remove themselves from taxation while disallowing them every benefit of being in a socialistic society.

It isn't about technology and shit. It's about human beings personal freedom. Freedom produces happiness to all animals including humans. Libertarianist world would be world where humans would be happiest. Also nature and animals would be happiest. It wouldn't be cyber punk but it wouls be happy world.

you can be a libertarian but only if you believe that wealth should be redistributed evenly

otherwise, you believe in capitalism

Why would I do that?

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What the fuck are you on about, mate?

Why?

I dunno.

I dont think you understand what libertarian means

I outgrew libertarianism when I realized that being pissed you didn't formally sign a social contract is immature.

Yeah I didn't chose my government. But fuck if I'm going to live anywhere else now that I have the choice

capitalism is oppression
if yo support oppression then you can't be a libertarian

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LOL i hope u get raped by ur gfs bull socialist scum.

The problem with comunism and socialism is that they expect people to actually make an honest living, behave, and not exploit imperfections in the system to their own benefit, which unfortunately isn't the case with humans

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The ironic part about this meme is that privatized space travel companies will get us closer to a star fleet than any government funded space program could hope to do.

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Didn't the Federation leave millions of it's citizens stranded in Dominion space?

I'm a 31-year old environmental chemist for a private consulting firm. I don't "depend" on the government more than anyone else.

humans need to abandon greed in order to fully embrace socialism

businesses act on the profit motive
governments do not need a profit

Orly?

Cardassian. That's why they created the Maquis. A group of disenfranchised Federation citizens living in now-recognized Cardassian space. Shit was cash, yo.

This. I'm pretty libertarian myself. Socially center-left and economically right. Socialism and other leftist economies favor failure.

you depend on government to solve societies problems

how naive

This.

This.

It's to my greatest heart desire that a socialist world would be achieved during my lifetime.

But people are too stupid to even know that the whole premise of socialism revolves arount that everybody do their part into raising the best society ever.

I personally blame Soros and the Rothschild, but people are stupid enough to wreck havoc themselves without them pulling any strings.

>I don't understand the full extent of what libertarian means

Libertarian isn't An-Cap

socialism is the only way society can progress
not by greedy capitalists

Give me one good reason why socialism, aka communism, is good for me as an individual in a resource-limited world.
Protip: you can't.

>the only choices are socialism and libertarianism

Sure is college freshman in here.

post scarcity

Not him, but yeah, really.

Haven't you look into the history or modern water supply system?

All the great advances in technology are made in times of war or for specials gains during scarcity times.

>socialism
>progress
>pick one and only one

It's true that part of the money we get is publically funded (oyster restoration in Florida righr now), but most of our work comes from private firms and multinational NGOs. To an extent, we're all depending on the government. I'm depending on them to protect the security of its citizens from foreign and domestic threats; I'm depending on the government to enact sensible monetary policy to my dollar doesn't go all Zimbabwe; I'm depending on the government to fund ICANN so we can bullshit on Sup Forums. Don't act like you're 100% on your own. You're depending on the government for all of that shit and more top, simple child.

Sorry to see you're still too young and inexperienced to realize that socialism is just shit.

>Protip: College won't really be "Free", taxpayers will pay it

Elaborate

LOL nope

i save in silver
i bought when it was 5 dollars an ounce

If everybody gets the same, whats the point of working hard? Im going to work hard so that part of what I earn can be given to Shiquay-Quay and her Nigtuplets who can't work because "The system be racist!"

Nah son. The weak should suffer and die, and the strong must inherit this earth.

See:

i'm not here to spoon feed yo shit lord

this

Libertarianism is a governmental system, socialism is economic.

Yes we all know what Iran would have looked like under Bernie. Prefer Trump tbh

Socialism won't work with the mindset of current humans, it will only work in a society that understands bettering oneself and humanity as a whole is more important than personal comfort and gain

OP is right, socialism is so good, the greedy capitalist pigs build a wall to stop their slaves escaping to the workers paradise in east berlin

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Because they are not the same?

In theory socialism has a government strong enough that people don't take advantage of other people and a great part of the income of everyone will be destined to generate more resources.

But since that's agaisnt our own natures and niggers be niggin, in the practice capitalism is the answer.

Not in libertarian socialism. The people are the government. To not work and not participate in government is to die.

No just give vague non-applicable responses and feel superior for your nonsense. Thank god you're here for SOMETHING

It's another word for "retarded"

>I cannot explain my position
Because you never had one
It's how you can tell a person acting on facts and truth: they can explain anything you ask them. And those that aren't, can't.

The current system is perfect if you ask me.
It's not as fucked up as in niggerland yet it's not totally oppressive.
I don't see why regular people have such a hardon for archaic political and economic ideas.

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100% agree. I'm not for unbridled socialism. Even in the "utopian" world of Star Trek, there is a society based on meritocracy which determines the allocation of resources. I simply feel there should be more of a social safety net, raising the floor so to speak. I don't agree, nor would most "socialists," with the 100% taxation example in which you sort of ellude to.

Also what I wrote up there.

Long have I felt this exact phrase and never been able to properly articulate it. Thanks.

>realized from socialism.
actually it was just from some aliens landing on earth. even in the fascist universe humanity reaches that technological level at the same time. faster in fact, because they were willing to kill for it

Socialism in its current incarnation promoted by the Soros globalist crew will lead to global depopulation, it will be a beautiful transhumanist society for the elite, everyone else will experience a utopian nightmare.

>To not work and not participate in government is to die
>libertarians

LOL
libertarians are so stupid!

Socialists fear darwinists

Right. Because I can't possibly think of an example with walls and capitalism failing large swaths of society, too. Tool.

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communism doesnt work. It never had

Socialism is future.
Do not forget universal healthcare system. Everyone gets their vitamin C and D.

>walls to stop people from getting in
vs
>walls to stop your citizens from escaping

You do not really know what you are talking right?

Did you miss the part where I implied poor, weak people who are non working parasites should suffer and die to help strengthen the blood that pumps through mankind? Because poor, weak people who are non working parasites should suffer and die to help strengthen the blood that pumps through mankind

>To not work and not participate in government is to die
>Liberty bitch!

bernie is a closet communist

Yes really. Privatized space travel doesn't depend on the whims of politicians for funding. It controls its own destiny. Did you have a counterpoint? Maybe that sensible chuckle meme or something?

a lot of people also get their lead shots, directly to back of their skulls

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that looks classy as fuck. and i bet the rent is reasonable.

slums exist because people breed too much and governments are too weak to control it's people

has nothing to do with capitalism

Simply put into normie terms:

If you can't say it in a few word, you don't understand it.

Id be surprised if there was garbage collection or running water, though

>out of control breeding by the poor
>governments fault

>closet

That photo shows one difference between corrupt South American political system and Western one.
In USA there are favelas like left, when niggers live.
And there is also higher class apartments like right.

But there are one difference- theres no wall between them. There are fields of suburban middle class housing.

Middle class. You know- the majority. Living like civilized human. That's what capitalism is about. Decent living for maximum possible amount of people.

now, instead of cherrypicking ex-communist soviet countries in the immediate aftermath of the collapse of communism, lets try the same again, with actual democratic socialists, say, Sweden, France, Norway, Denmark, and the Netherlands, shall we?

You didnt say anything of value though. You just gave a vague response and then capped off with your bullshit when you were called out because you dont actually have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

No. None of these nigger gibs me dats types get free rides in libertarian socialism. Either you work, or you don't get the benefits of free housing, free food, free education, and whatever else the people decide should be distributed.

Actually it was Eisenstein who sort of coined that in that if a scientific theory cannot be explained in a way that a 5 year old could understand then it has no value.

There's running water down the walls when it rains, if you ask.

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>No, mad max world is literally our world after nuclear apocalypse.
guess who'll need to the 2 first movie again to understand what's mad max world.

>Either you work, or you don't get the benefits of free housing, free food, free education

housing, food, educations should be human rights
i need these things to live
i shouldn't have to work for my rights

you sound just like a capitalist

have to ever heard of wage slavery? what you are advocating is basically the same thing

Ignorant.

Mad Max is our world after communism.

I'm none of them stupid fuck. Don't even know if it was the same fucker.

Their point was right and you didn't even defended your stance.

Socialism is an utopic system that would get rid of most of the world problems. Capitalism stays strong because niggers and whitetrash.

Didn't you read the thread? Pretty much everybody is asking why is comunism wrong to which pretty much nobody had answered, and the truth is that in concept is not wrong and it would be cool not having to worry about money ever again.

But the government will have you slaved for the rest of your life and some people will rage because they are forced to work.