Would American homicide rate go down if sensible gun control was put in place?

Would American homicide rate go down if sensible gun control was put in place?

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yes it would .
but only after the civil war, ofcourse.

No.

t. Country where criminality only increased after gun control

no. stabbings would just go up. might as well let it end quicker

It's harder to kill someone with stabbing than it is with a gun though

USA has more people for one. Also it's a far more violent culture.

Taking away guns is impossible and no one will attempt it. No one cares to either.

Guns not the problem. Retards are.

yes, it would go down, we should have gun laws more similar to the swiss and we should focus way way more on gang violence

t. gun owner

you don't have to take away guns to have less retarded gun laws

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>there's retards
>give them guns
>that's not the problem tho

Really hate the blacks senpai

No, no country has seen meaningful decreases since their gun control laws.

No, because the guns would still be there, just not available to the common bloke anymore

You'd need to have a system offull buybacks + incentives to get any sort of change in Murriland

>USA has more people for one
Sorry I forget I have to simplify things when talking to Americans

"Homicide rate" is not the total number of homicides, it's the amount that happen per x amount of people. So your population size doesn't matter

We don't have retarded gun laws, read a book already.

I think you need to simplify it even futher

if you have a town of 30 people, they all know each other, the chances of homicides decrease for obvious reasons.
the more poor population you put together in an urban area, the more likely homicides become

look at africa here, the only properly urbanized countries are the ones with the most homicides.
>inb4 there's no way you can trust those stats

we measurably have retarded gun laws

the swiss have a very high gun ownership rate and yet they have very few gun homicides

>inb4 MUH BLACKS MUH INNER CITIES

right, if our laws don't adjust for these things then they are retarded

Guns are not an issue outside black gang bangers

Also murricans have always had a high homicide rate that's actually been decreasing secade by decade. is right, the mentality is different and people are more confrontational in the US

>we measurably have retarded gun laws

You are right, but what I think is retarded is probably what you think is retarded.

>the swiss have a very high gun ownership rate and yet they have very few gun homicides

Yeah, being a rich homogeneous country will do that for you.

>right, if our laws don't adjust for these things then they are retarded

Oh, are you one of those racists who is pro-gun control now? Get fucked fashy.

>the swiss have a very high gun ownership rate and yet they have very few gun homicides
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>>inb4 MUH BLACKS MUH INNER CITIES

>inb4 the only group causing all the crime is the reason for the crime

And the vast majority of firearms procured by said group are bought through straw purchases or stolen

>hurr then we should just have less guns!

Fuck off faggot

>we should infringe on the 99% to save the lives of nigger gangbangers!

Yes. Homicides would decrease.

But who cares, natural selection should be the law

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>Oh, are you one of those racists who is pro-gun control now?
for wanting laws that actually address the problems our country faces? guess so

>And the vast majority of firearms procured by said group are bought through straw purchases or stolen

so have laws to alleviate this? nah how about we literally do nothing at all instead lmao

fucking retard

>for wanting laws that actually address the problems our country faces? guess so

We don't have a gun violence problem, we just have a political system that acts like we do to get retards like you to give up peoples rights.

>>so have laws to alleviate this?

Stealing guns is already illegal

Buying firearms with the intention of giving them to other people especially people that cannot own them is already illegal

>nah how about we literally do nothing at all instead lmao

Yes, quit infringing my rights because your pet niggers are slaughtering each other in droves with stolen guns they already broke the law to procure to fight each other for territory to sell drugs the government banned and created a black market for.

>We don't have a gun violence problem

Whites* don't have a gun violence problem.

Be honest Cletus

You want to take away the rights of others because of a single group of people. You're the fascist.

In 2013 the US population was roughly 316.5 million.

That year there were 2,596,993 deaths from all causes.

The number one killer of Americans was heart disease at 611,105 deaths for 23.5% of death total

Cancer came in second at 584,881 for 22.5%

Chronic lower respiratory disease killed 149,205 people for 5.7%

You'll notice I haven't mentioned guns, the scourge of American society yet. I'm getting there.

Accidents, like drowning or falling and hitting your head in the shower killed 130,557 people for another 5% of total deaths. We are some clumsy fuckers

Stroke killed 128,978 (4.9%). Need to watch that blood pressure, kids.

Alzheimer's killed 84,767 (3.2%). Getting old sucks.

Diabetes killed 75,578 (2.9%)

Pneumonia got 56,979 or 2.1% and Kidney failure killed 47,112 people or 1.8% of all deaths

Well there's all the major diseases out of the way, so guns must be next, right?

No. Poisoning deaths were 48,545 at 1.8% Think about that for a minute. Accidentally drinking drain cleaner is higher on the list than being shot

All forms of suicide (yes, including guns) were 41,149 (1.5%)

Drug overdose accounted for 43,663 lives (1.6%)
35,663 (1.3%) were unintentional with the remainder ruled suicide.

Death by motor vehicle got 33,804 (1.3%)

And finally, at the bottom, are guns.

Guns were used to kill 33,364 Americans for 1.2% of the death toll.

21,175 gun deaths were suicide, two thirds of all gun deaths, at 0.8% of the death toll

Non suicide gun deaths, which included accidents, justified homicide and murder, totaled 12,189

A whole 0.4% of all fatalities.

A statistically insignificant number. It's not much of a problem compared to everything else. You are literally ten times more likely to slip and fall in the shower and DIE in America then to be shot to death.

Gun ownership does not correlate with violent crime

so no it wouldn't

>You are literally ten times more likely to slip and fall in the shower and DIE in America then to be shot to death.

I would actually like to clarify on this point further by pointing out that the vast majority of those gun deaths are black drug related gang members in inner cities.

If you are not a black gangmember slinging drugs in the ghetto this chance is significantly smaller.

I am a gun owner, I don't want to take away shit

>all I want to do is make sure we do nothing about 12,000 homicides a year, YOU'RE the real fascist

We don't have a gun violence problem. Take guns away and the violence doesn't go away. We have a poverty/cultural problem

>crackers can't hold their alcohol

Tell me what laws would prevent stealing firearms or using straw purchasers without infringing on the VAST majority of the populations rights.


>do nothing about 12,000 homicides a year

I'm all for ending the war on drugs and reallocating that money to anti gang task forces.

What is your solution?

100% correct, and guns only inflame it

again I am a gun owner, I also recognize that many people should not have an easy time getting one

Would Australian birthrates go up if Australians didn't live there? These and other non sensible questions tonight on Sup Forums

ITT: United Statians trying so hard to change the fact that more guns equals more murders. Deal with it lol.

If anyone can go to the supermarket and buy a gun, then you'll have a bigger murder rate

>Tell me what laws would prevent stealing firearms or using straw purchasers without infringing on the VAST majority of the populations rights.

Facilitate the buying and use of safes to store people's guns in would be a start No? I feel like that would prevent a lot of accidents as well.

Maybe we should have less of those people not more restrictions on what people can own or their access to said items

>poverty

requiring safes and registration for one, also requiring safety classes for any semi auto over 22lr to make people comfortable with and knowledgeable about the deadly weapons they own

>inb4 REGISTRATION IS FASCIST REEEEEEEEE

okay cletus

>regulating firearms is fascist, what we really need to do is just get rid of the undesirables

this

hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/

All for tax breaks for buying a gun safe, do not think it should be mandatory.

accidents are not a big issueYou are never going to get registration

safety classes are only going to help the non issue of accidents
None of those proposals stop straw purchases or firearms from being stolen, safes may help with theft but I am against forcing people to buy them and use them like the aussies do and safes are not infallible

Different person

>I am literally 100% against our population being more knowledgeable about firearms and also against storing them safely

wew

On that way to the supermarket some hobo might call you a llama fucking nigger too. Deal with that.

Wtf? I hate Myanmar now

No, since the sort of "sensible gun control" that actually prevents gun violence (and not just banning scary plastic guns) is already in place.

There have been literally zero mass shootings in Australia since the introduction of the '96 gun reforms. I'd say they have been rather effective myself.

Is there some sort of lock that can be placed around the trigger? I feel like that's be a neet little invention, sort of like a bike lock. It'd also be less bulky than a safe I suppose

Did not say that

Safety classes are already passed out like candy, if somebody is stupid enough to be involved in a firearm accident drilling them not to be retarded is not going to do any good.

and I stated that accidents are not a major issue and are extremely rare.
>and also against storing them safely

I am against the government forcing me to buy two safes, keep ammunition in one and firearms in another and keep my guns in them at all times with police inspections whenever they feel like it.


Again, all of these measures are to save a bunch of gangbangers and retarded hillbilly spawn.

>oh the humanity the next generation of meth addicts and gang bangers is in danger!
>ban it all, think of the children!
>we need government oversight!

You weren't exactly having very many of them before the ban.

>wow that thing that pretty much never occurred has not occurred since x
>must be x

>has occurred since x

You can put gun locks through the action but again

retards are not going to be safe with their guns and the government has no business telling me how to secure my property.

>Again, all of these measures are to save a bunch of gangbangers and retarded hillbilly spawn.

alternatively,

>don't worry, only people I don't like are dying

they exist and are useless, just get a safe

maybe if youre a brian dead retarded australian moran

>the sort of "sensible gun control" that actually prevents gun violence (and not just banning scary plastic guns) is already in place [citation needed]

>muh epin restrictions

There were practically none beforehand. Places like the UK and Australia have always had far lower gun crime rates than the USA, restrictions or no. Australians are massive fags for giving up their guns so easily.

>>don't worry, only people I don't like are dying

Yes, I do not want my tax dollars spent infringing my rights to save people from themselves.

move to a commonwealth nation if you like nanystatism

Yeah vs what?
One mass shooting before?

The leftists are the same with everything.

See?
Look at how well strict gun control works in this country that already had a very low firearm homicide rate.
Just ignore all these other countries where it doesn't work or makes things worse for the average person.

See?
Look at how well socialism works in these handful of tiny white countries that were already doing great before it was implemented, and they actually had to roll back a lot of it because it started ruing their economies.
Oh and ignore the rest of the world where it becomes a living nightmare.

On the other hand, that just means you are forced to live in Australia with no easy way to end it :^)

Muslim lynchings most likely

Background checks are already required with gun stores. Every other form of gun control is pointless.

>freedom is dangerous
>we must stop it at all costs

We should shoot these people!

>tfw dumb-dumbs who think you can legislate virtue will never go away

>dude lmao you can't ban weed! look at prohibition i mean that didn't work!
>ban all guns!

It's fucking ridiculous

We don't need to do anything about that number since its dropping anyway. Also stop acting like gun control would even do anything.

>I am a gun owner and I like gun control so its totally cool, right guys?

If you make it harder for people to get guns you will only just create a class of people with no personal protection.

We also already have laws against felons and the mentally ill from buying guns, but they still do most of the killing anyway.

>YOU'RE VIOLATING THE NAP

>ITT: United Statians trying so hard to change the fact that more guns equals more murders. Deal with it lol.

Except thats false though.

Yes and?

That isn't going to stop most people from getting their illegal guns. Most stolen guns come from cars not houses. They can also just steal the safe and cut it open.

Fuck registration, how is that even going to stop a murder or mass shooting anyway?

>also requiring safety classes for any semi auto over 22lr to make people comfortable with and knowledgeable about the deadly weapons they own

How is this going to lower murders? The fact is it wont. You just want more barriers to gun ownership because you don't want other people to own guns. I live in NJ and they do stuff like this all of the time.It has nothing to do with public safety, only to make individuals without time or money(the poor) from getting guns.

All of the harvard studies are tainted with bias and engineered outcomes.

No, I am against people like you forcing it to happen for no reason. We know it is just an underhanded tactic to make gun ownership less frequent so later gun control will be easier to pass.

>There have been literally zero mass shootings in Australia since the introduction of the '96 gun reforms.

100% false, you also have arson massacres and knife massacres now along with other mass shootings.

news.com.au/national/lockhart-shooting-wagga-wagga-community-reeling-after-hunt-family-tragedy/story-fncynjr2-1227053811861

bbc.com/news/world-australia-30544493

We got a source on this?

fuck that with a hot poker.

Lol, those don't prevent theft, and they make them impossible to use for protection.

Accidents are dropping year after year and they are mostly the result of a poor attitude, attitude doesn't change with training.

What did the Muslims use at that lindt chocolate shop where they took hostages?

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gun-grabbers BTFO

I am just wondering about source, because I feel like it's a very powerful representation and I have a number of friends who are sort of liberal, as they grew up liberal, but now are starting to see the appeal of freedom. This may help them.

Arguing for gun control is ironically the same as arguing for vaccine shots.

The ban might help a few cherry picked examples but there is a hell of a lot more it protects in the background

>spain
>10-30 guns per 100 citizens
i can make maps in mspaint too

>several murders in my town last year
>none of them committed with guns
??????

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lol what the fuck? this is 1000% fake

it's crazy how you can make a fake map and immediately people will just accept it

But vaccines actually help people whereas gun control is mostly posturing by Democrats

it's not

>This is really what lefties believe.

I don't have one unfortunately, but it is simply gun deaths superimposed over gun ownership.

Its literally from the wiki pages that represent both things.

>Promoting the right to get a vaccination is totally the same as promoting the right to take away someone else's right to own a firearm

american homicide would go down if they stopped including suicides by firearm in the statistics.

No, you just got smacked the fuck down commie.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

>Extrapolating baseless figures using nothing but linear growth on white population numbers without accounting for environment, social standing, etc

Wow, that's stupid enough to flunk out of a special needs class.

>I don't have one unfortunately
Alright, while I like your graph more from a visual perspective I found this one which uses the 2007 small arms survey performed by the Graduate Institute of International and Development Studies in Switzerland. Seems like a reliable source of info.
smallarmssurvey.org/publications/by-type/yearbook/small-arms-survey-2007.html

>Gun ownership does not correlate with violent crime

It just so happens that the single most gun worshiping country on Earth has the highest gun murder rate per capita of any developed nation.

>There's just no way to stop it, says nation only nation where this is a problem.

>There's just no way to stop it, says nation only nation where this is a problem.

t. Professional Québécois mosque shooter

>Le murders only happen by guns strawman

>It just so happens that the single most car worshiping country on Earth has the highest auto accident death rate per capita of any developed nation.

Ban high-speed assault cars!

There is no need for civilians to go faster than 40kph!

"developed" Which is a term you people use to exclude examples that blow your correlation to shit.

Brazil, Russia, Venezuela, and Jamaica have more violence and less guns than the US.

>b-b-but if you take away my specific conditions then all of a sudden it doesn't make sense to be a freedom-hating bisexual!

The American constitution is and always will be the SINGLE greatest document in the history. There is almost nothing I would not sacrifice to defend the constitutional rights of every single American.

youtube.com/watch?v=Y-jaEsLJQRM

Would Switzerland become as safe if they adopted draconian Ausfailian gun laws instead of having laws looser than multiple US states?

Oh wait. They are already far safer than your wretched nanny state.