Is there any Vietnam movies that aren't anti American?

Is there any Vietnam movies that aren't anti American?

Rescue Dawn

It Ain't Me

Are there any American Revolution movies that aren't anti Britain?

Not if you want realism.

I wouldn't say Platoon (or even Born on the Fourth of July for that matter) were anti-American in the slightest.

Oliver Stone did full service in Vietnam, got a whole bunch of decorations including a purple heart for christ sakes. His disillusionment with that war and the government by extension is not at all unlike what pretty much every other Vietnam vet inevitably went through. It was an ugly war with undefined motivations, everybody came to realize that and Stone used his first hand experience to demonstrate it in a way that resonated with people.

It's not anti-American to criticize the government, on the contrary in cases like this it's quite the opposite.

Oliver Stone also praised Hugo Chavez...

No one is perfect, and that has nothing to do with the films in question.

And also blames America for everything wrong in the world

So? he is right

flight of the intruder

Missing in Action, kinda, I guess. It's a piece of shit though.

the green berets

That Mel Gibson one set in 1965

Get the fuck out of here, cuck. Platoon is firmly anti-American.

>cuck
>criticizes an actual veteran for being disillusioned with the war he fought in
Go back to Sup Forums you mongoloid.

Venezuela was doing okay under Chavez. It went to total shit after he died.

>criticizes an actual veteran for being disillusioned with the war he fought in
Meager as it is, thank you for your service.

Shit, just realized I worded things funny. I meant 'meager' thanks, not service.

>Thematically, The Green Berets is strongly anti-communist and pro-Saigon. It was released at the height of American involvement in the Vietnam War, the same year as the Tet offensive against the largest cities in South Vietnam. John Wayne, concerned by the anti-war atmosphere in the United States, wanted to make this film to present the pro-military position. He requested and obtained full military co-operation and materiel from President Johnson

>It is Anti-American to say that war is bad.

I don't follow. Isn't it more anti-American to kill Americans?

Depends entirely what you mean by anti-American? Does being anti-war count as anti-American? Or does it need to be patriotic propaganda to be pro-American?

Vietnam war is the bad war as far as popular culture goes. It's self flagellation rite for Americans. War told usually from a random soldiers point of view instead of a heros point of view.

It was first war that was on TV and where media couldn't be controlled. As result in Gulf War apparent US military leadership were basically running non-stop press conference in front of TV cameras, while bunch of lower ranking staff officers ran actual war. In Iraq and Afghanistan approach was bit different. Show so much details that public can't keep up with bigger details.

Vietnam the media approach was incompetent as hell. Generals and colonels giving daily press releases about bodycounts without contex. Political and military leadership simply didn't understand what fuck was going on or enemy motivations. Winning 90% of battles doesn't win the war if enemy is willing to make the sacrifices it requires to win.

These and Rambo II. If requirement for not anti-american is patriotic propaganda. Picture somewhat relevant.

>That Mel Gibson one set in 1965

We Were Soldiers is pretty objective and realistic if you skip last 15 minutes or so and charge that really didn't happen. In reality two US battalions were pinned on landing zones and gooks just left when they understood that they can't overrun 'em before another US and 8 or so battalions of ARVN will arrive by land on fucking foot. Movie just happens on landing zone that way less fucked up. The other LZ, LZ Albany was worse.

>Venezuela was doing okay under Chavez. It went to total shit after he died.

Oil prices went down after Chavez died, economy was already fundamentally fucked at that point and kept running with oil money alone. Maduro is just as competent or corrupt than Chavez, just less charismatic.

The Vietnam war is indefensible in hindsight, realistic depictions have to be anti American

Since character limit on post happened.

Few more somewhat objective and not that "anti-'murrican" 'Nam movies.

Hamburger Hill
84C MoPic
Flight of the Intruder

I can't believe this is actually a thing americucks have to say

It is defensible, if you care about democracy in Vietnam, the people of south vietnam and about stopping the advance of communism.

Of course, thanks to us being in the future, we are able to know that communism is a failure on itself and not a real threat.

>watch any Vietnam war movie
>It Ain't Me starts playing

Why do they always use this song?

Friendly reminder that Diem did nothing wrong, and is only maligned because Americans don't want to admit his removal was a colossal fuckup on their part

Is there any Vietnam movies that aren't anti French?

And you believe him?

The Siege of Firebase Gloria

It is theme song of that war. It's about that war and how rich kids could avoid it. Kinda bullshit as most US combat troops were volunteers, only POG's weren't, but as military plans tend to go south bunch of non volunteers got also involved in combat.

US political and military leadership had absolutely no idea what they were doing.

US military leadership set up a fucking kill counts as their measure of success... not actually pacifying areas. It's fuck up on all possible levels. Winning battles doesn't win wars if enemy is determined enough. Vietnam War destabilized entire region and enabled spread of communism to Laos and Cambodia. US leadership played 3d chess, kind of they didn't know rules.

Vietnam war is massive intelligence failure, caused by intelligence failure and as bonus most battles that US forces lost were also intelligence failures. Like Ia Drang in We Were Soldiers. US Army estimated to fight regiment, instead they ran into three regiments, reported three times the actual enemy casualties as body count. Commies also overestimated US casualties just as badly. Numbers are the thing... instead of actually achieved goals.

You are joking aren't you.

He illegalised the practicing of Buddhism in a country that was 80% Buddhist. And thats only the start.

>implying being antiamerican is a bad thing
lel

>He illegalised the practicing of Buddhism in a country that was 80% Buddhist

The "Buddhist crisis" was massively overblown by American journalists that were already opposed to Diem.

It's especially funny given what North Vietnam did to Buddhist monks after they conquered South Vietnam (protip: it wasn't equality or tolerance)

>triggered

Did that user violate your safe space?

>veterans can't be anti-American

I'm a veteran and I can tell you right off that's full of shit. There's no monolithic truth that applies to everyone that served. Oliver Stone is an anti-American drugged out Jew who doesn't hesitate to play the Holocaust card in every fucking situation he's ever been in. His biggest claim to heroism is he managed to get injured over and over waddling his fat ass around in Vietnam.

>if you care about democracy in Vietnam, the people of south vietnam and about stopping the advance of communism.

A problem with that, was that the government in the South was shitty, very un-democratic, and not very good for their own people.

No, he was shit leader who favored a kike religion and ineffective in keeping his part of the country together. Should have been killed sooner

Or if you consider how big of an Ameriboo Ho Chi Minh was and considering the US was able to have friendly relations with communist China during the Cold War, it's totally indefensible. Let's not forget how highly the Vietnamese look at the US

Tropic Thunder

You can oppose an imperialist war without being anti-American, user

Chavez was corrupt and cruel, but he did a lot of good for Venezuela

His biggest mistake was dying before he could find a proper successo

Chavez was corrupt and cruel, but he did a lot of good for Venezuela

His biggest mistake was dying before he could find a proper successor

Only reason Chavez lasted until his death was oil prices. He fucked up economy badly. Only thing Maduro did do differently was lack of charisma.

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